[Assam] assam Digest, Vol 44, Issue 23 - About the name Assam

[kamal deka]

Please think before you ink..I am talking about scholars inhabiting Assam.By
tribal,I meant to say  those from the Mongoloid stock.It was a general
statement.
The petition is a different cattle of fish.
At what point did I say that the name of the state should not be changed?
The name involved in this process was Asom.One has to be a Martian creature
not to know that a debate was sparked off by the Assam Govt's. decision to
change the name from Assam to Asom.Where did the Govt.get the idea from? It
was an editorial ,written by Chandra Prasad Saikia in the literary journal
called Gorioyashi.If CP Saikia can't be regarded as scholar/intellectual,I
don't know who else could be? DN Bezbarua is another individual, who
supported the name change.
Finally,I was taken aback to see a few women's name in the petition,who,I am
afraid,are remotely connected with this issue.But then,I could be wrong.



On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 8:46 PM, Rajen & Ajanta Barua
<barua25 at hotmail.com>wrote:

> >THEY ARE DIVIDED ON RACIAL LINES.THE TRIBAL SCHOLARS
> >VEHEMENTLY OPPOSES THE NAME CHANGE,WHILE THE PLAIN GROUPS FAVORS IT.
>
> Touba Touba
> Where did this RACIAL LINES came from.
> What is meant by the word TRIBAL?
> In the Petition opposing the name change, how many "TRIBAL" persons do we
> see?
> The leaders of the Petition
> Rajen Barua
> Chandan Mahanta
> Wahid Saleh
> Are they TRIBALS?
> Touba Touba
>
> And who are the supporters for the name change.
> You already announced that you are against the name change.
> Could you name just one Assamese scholar who is for this name change
>
> And name change from Assam to what, Oxom?
> We already have Assam and Oxom.
>
> Touba Touba
>
>
> Rajen Barua
>
>
> From: kamal deka
> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 5:43 PM
> To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world
>  Subject: Re: [Assam] assam Digest, Vol 44, Issue 23 - About the name
> Assam
>
>
> I would like to conclude by saying the following;
> THERE IS NO CONSENSUS AMONG ASSAMESE SCHOLARS IN SO FAR AS THE ETYMOLOGY OF
> ASSAM IS CONCERNED.THEY ARE DIVIDED ON RACIAL LINES.THE TRIBAL SCHOLARS
> VEHEMENTLY OPPOSES THE NAME CHANGE,WHILE THE PLAIN GROUPS FAVORS IT.
> I HAPPENED TO SPEAK TO A FEW INTELLECTUALS,WHO ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE
> DUTCH DOCUMENT REFUSE TO ACCEPT THAT AS AN AUTHENTIC PROOF.
> AGAIN, THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT ANY NEW DISCOVERY,BE IT THE BOGORI(
> OLIVE),BENGANA ( EGG-PLANT) OR BURONJI ( HISTORY) MUST PASS THE CREDIBILITY
> TEST.THAT YARDSTICK OUGHT TO BE APPLIED EQUALLY TO ALL.
>
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 4:45 PM, Dilip and Dil Deka <dilipdeka at yahoo.com
> >wrote:
>
> > '' In the meantime, verifiable proof exists
> > to claim with certainty that Assam is NOT an anglicized form of what
> > the historical name of what we call Oxom today, because it predates
> > the British arrival in Assam. Pretty simple."
> > ------ As I said, the proof provided shows outsiders (foreigners) called
> > the land "Assam" or "Asem" or whatever else. That includes the Dutch, the
> > Mughals, and the British. There is also proof that the Dutch used the
> name
> > before the British did. It still does not prove that the residents of
> Assam
> > called their land by that name. That is the point of my bringing in Bodo
> > language side of the equation.
> >
> > " >I personally feel deeper research has to be done into Bodo language
> > >and folk-literature to see if the >root of the word Oxom can be
> > >found.
> > That is one's prerogative. Like it is for creationists to find proof  to
> > debunk evolution."
> > ------- Your words have no relevance here. You are reading me wrong. I am
> > not debunking the statement that the land in question was called Assam
> (or
> > whatever else) by outsiders before the British. My curiosity is about
> "Oxom"
> > and "Ahom". When did these words come into use? The Tais did not call
> > themselves Ahom. So who started that word? Do the words Ahom and Oxom
> have
> > some connection? I am suggesting that Bodo language may give some clue.
> >
> > Is it fair to say that this whole Assamnet debate wouldn't have started
> if
> > OXX had used the word "Westernized" in stead of "Anglicized" to describe
> the
> > word "Assam"?
> > I agree that "Asom" is not a suitable replacement for "Assam" as proposed
> > by the Assam govt.
> >
> >
> ================================================================================
> >
> >
> > From: Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net>
> > To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world <
> > assam at assamnet.org>; wahid.saleh at gmail.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 3:51:58 PM
> >  Subject: Re: [Assam] assam Digest, Vol 44, Issue 23 - About the name
> > Assam
> >
> > >I personally feel deeper research has to be done into Bodo language
> > >and folk-literature to see if the >root of the word Oxom can be
> > >found.
> >
> >
> > *** That is one's prerogative. Like it is for creationists to find
> > proof  to debunk evolution. In the meantime, verifiable proof exists
> > to claim with certainty that Assam is NOT an anglicized form of what
> > the historical name of what we call Oxom today, because it predates
> > the British arrival in Assam. Pretty simple.
> >
> > THAT was the  point of contention: What OXX's website claimed.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At 10:02 AM -0700 3/17/09, Dilip and Dil Deka wrote:
> > >Mr. Saleh,
> > >
> > >You said, " All I did was to search for available information in
> > >publications (in English and other languages) and
> > >compile the information and publish an article to show that the name
> Assam
> > >was not given by the British. The name existed before the British
> > >came to Assam."
> > >
> > >Your interest in the subject and the time you spent in the
> > >research should be appreciated by all who are somewhat interested in
> > >Assam's history. In the above paragraph, you have also made it very
> > >clear that your goal was to show that other outsiders (other than
> > >the British) also called today's Oxom as Assam or something similar.
> > >I do not believe you wanted to get into the debate over whether the
> > >name Assam (or something similar) came first, or Oxom. As we have
> > >seen in this debate and elsewhere, it will be very hard to pinpoint
> > >when the name Oxom came into being. Dr. Yasmin Saikia in her
> > >research concluded that a name for the Ahom kingdom does not appear
> > >in the  Buranjis remaining today. As we know a large number of
> > >Buranjis were burnt under the care of Kirti Charan Barbarua. There
> > >may be some hiding in some village in Assam. Who knows?
> > >
> > >I personally feel deeper research has to be done into Bodo language
> > >and folk-literature to see if the root of the word Oxom can be found.
> > >I asked a question a few days ago - who gave the name Ahom to the
> > >Tai group and why did the Tai people so willingly accepted it?
> > >No one has answered it.
> > >
> > >Again, thanks for your dedication to things Assamese.
> > >Dilip Deka
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >________________________________
> > >From: Wahid Saleh(GM) <wahid.saleh at gmail.com>
> > >To: assam at assamnet..org
> > >Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:01:54 AM
> > >Subject: Re: [Assam] assam Digest, Vol 44, Issue 23 - About the name
> Assam
> > >
> > >>>I am wondering what prevents Mr.Saleh from confronting people like
> > >>>Prof.Priyam Goswami of Gauhati University or Prof.Amalendu Guha with
> > >>>his newly-found Dutch document which will certainly make them
> > >>>laughter-evoking buffoons for being so ignorant about Assam's history
> ?
> > >
> > >It was not my intention to confront others. All I did was to search for
> > >available information in publications (in English and other languages)
> and
> > >compile the information and publish an article to show that the name
> Assam
> > >was not given by the British. The name existed before the British came
> to
> > >Assam.
> > >
> > >In my search for information on this subject I contacted persons who
> knew
> > >about Indian, Dutch, English and Portuguese histories, did research and
> > >published papers and books in their respective fields. They were based
> in
> > >Australia, Bangladesh, Iran, India, the Netherlands, Portugal, Vietnam,
> > >Thailand, UK and USA. Most of them are considered to be authorities in
> > their
> > >respective fields. I also did some research on Marco Polo and Huen Tsang
> > to
> > >find out if they mentioned the name Assam in their travel journals.
> > >
> > >During this process I stumbled upon the fact that the person named
> Glanius
> > >who is mentioned by several well-known historians did not accompany Mir
> > >Jumla and also never visited Assam. I also published an article on the
> > same
> > >subject.
> > >
> > >We all have the freedom to accept the mentioned books/publications as
> > >historical documents or reject them totally.
> > >
> > >I quoted Prof. Priyam Goswami from a news item published by Times of
> India
> > >(26-02-06) with the title "Assam to fall off the map, turn Asom" as Mr.
> > Deka
> > >wanted explanations from someone competent authority.
> > >
> > >
> > >>I remain unconvinced.
> > >>In the fitness of thing,the entire matter ought to be left for
> those,who
> > >are in the business of reading,analyzing and interpreting the
> nitty-gritty
> > >>historical facts and data.
> > >>I refuse to accept the interpretation put forward by Saleh/Barua as an
> > >>unshakable truth.
> > >>As far as I am concerned,their explanation is of no consequence,pending
> > >full verification by the competent ones.
> > >>Meanwhile,those self-proclaimed neo-historians should stop the tamasha
> of
> > >>re-writing and re-interpreting facts in regard to Assam's
> > >>history,who,perhaps,haven't studied the subject seriously save
> > high-school
> > >>history :-)
> > >
> > >Mr. Amalendu Guha and Kalika Purna were quoted by Mr. Deka and my reply
> > was
> > >only in reference to the said quotes.
> > >
> > >Both Prof Goswami and Mr. Guha wrote within the framework of information
> > >available to them. This does not mean that they are "buffons". They are
> > >contributing their own way to the knowledge of the society. In and
> outside
> > >their academic circle they are respected academicians. We may agree with
> > >them or reject their arguments without using some adjectives which they
> > >don't deserve.
> > >
> > >Wahid Saleh
> > >
> > >-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> > >Van: assam-bounces at assamnet.org [mailto:assam-bounces at assamnet.org]
> > Namens
> > >assam-request at assamnet.org
> > >Verzonden: dinsdag 17 maart 2009 7:30
> > >Aan: assam at assamnet.org
> > >Onderwerp: assam Digest, Vol 44, Issue 23
> > >
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> > >Today's Topics:
> > >
> > >  1. Re: About the name Assam (Choudhary, H. N. - AMW - MUM)
> > >  2. Of Wearing Suits and their Side-effects - Kalyan
> > >      Dutta-Choudhury, The    Sentinel (Ram Sarangapani)
> > >  3. Re: About the name Assam (kamal deka)
> > >  4. Re: About the name Assam (kamal deka)
> > >  5. Re: About the name Assam (kamal deka)
> > >  6. Re: About the name Assam (Chan Mahanta)
> > >  7. Re: About the name Assam (Rajen & Ajanta Barua)
> > >  8. Re: About the name Assam (Rajen & Ajanta Barua)
> > >  9. Re: About the name Assam (Rajen & Ajanta Barua)
> > >  10. Re: About the name Assam (kamal deka)
> > >  11. Re: About the name Assam (kamal deka)
> > >  12. Fragmented Memories: Struggling to be Tai-Ahom in India -    by
> > >      Yasmin Saikia (Dilip and Dil Deka)
> > >  13. Re: Fragmented Memories: Struggling to be Tai-Ahom in India    -
> > >      by Yasmin Saikia (Babul Gogoi)
> > >  14. Sanskrit and Assamese (Alpana B. Sarangapani)
> > >  15. Re: About the name Assam (kamal deka)
> > >  16.. Web site of the "Adinor Sambad" (Buljit Buragohain)
> > >
> > >
> > >----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > >Message: 1
> > >Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:59:07 +0530
> > >From: "Choudhary, H. N. - AMW - MUM" <HNChoudhary at amwasia.com>
> > >Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
> > >To: "A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
> > >    world"    <assam at assamnet.org>
> > >Cc: rc2559 at columbia.edu
> > >Message-ID:
> > >    <C277F575BBB7F54B9DB20593FACB611003A415 at amwbkcexch.amwasia.com>
> > >Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
> > >
> > >Dear All,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Having read the mails and communications on the subject  "about the name
> > >of Assam",
> > >
> > >I feel that the debate on the subject has become acrimonious and
> > >somewhat personal.
> > >
> > >No one can clam fame to become a historian overnight by writing an
> > >article on a historical topic. It is also not appropriate to call them
> > >"neophyte historians" as they may not deserve the accolade.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >If I have to give my comments on the following remarks:
> > >
> > >"There are many ignorant educated people in Assam. There are again some
> > >educated intellectuals with different agendas."
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >-- I will like to reserve my comments.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Please exercise restraint and caution on commenting poorly on the whole
> > >of Assam or Assamese people.
> > >
> > >Your geographical location outside Assam (in USA or elsewhere) does not
> > >confer the right to make un-parliamentary
> > >
> > >comments on the people in Assam.
> > >
> > >These are sensitive issues.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >I am a recent addition to the group.
> > >
> > >I have served for many years in the Army and now in an Indian corporate.
> > >
> > >
> > >Having he advantage to experienced the best traditions of our culture
> > >and a mix of British culture,
> > >
> > >I could suggest that views and opinions need not "hurt" anyone. Please
> > >show tolerance.
> > >
> > >If we follow that in the Friends of Assam, we will remain friends.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >I request both parties  to cool off.
> > >
> > >There is too much heat at the moment.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Regards,
> > >
> > >Col Hemen N Choudhary
> > >
> > >W Sea Face
> > >
> > >Mumbai
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: assam-bounces at assamnet.org [mailto:assam-bounces at assamnet.org] On
> > >Behalf Of Rajen Barua
> > >Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 6:51 PM
> > >To: assamnet
> > >Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Why would Mr Wahid confront anybody?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >What Prof Amalendu Gauha wrote about 'Ha-Sam' was not based on his own
> > >research work. He simply borrowed the writing from Mr Baden Powell even
> > >without quoting Mr Powell. I also wrote about the word 'Ha-Sam' in my
> > >article  but I quoted Mr Baden Powell. Also Prof Guha was writing based
> > >on his communistic outlook, not much as history of the word Assam.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >There are
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Let people read Mr. Wahid's writings and confront him if they have any
> > >problem.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Rajen Barua
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>  Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:03:37 -0500
> > >
> > >>  From: kjit.deka at gmail.com
> > >
> > >>  To: assam at assamnet.org
> > >
> > >>  Subject: [Assam] About the name Assam
> > >
> > >>
> > >
> > >>  I am wondering what prevents Mr.Saleh from confronting people like
> > >
> > >>  Prof.Priyam Goswami of Gauhati University or Prof.Amalendu Guha with
> > >his
> > >
> > >>  newly-found Dutch document which will certainly make them
> > >laughter-evoking
> > >
> > >>  buffoons for being so ignorant about Assam's history ?
> > >
> > >>  KJD
> > >
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> > >
> > >Message: 2
> > >Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:24:16 -0500
> > >From: Ram Sarangapani <assamrs at gmail.com>
> > >Subject: [Assam] Of Wearing Suits and their Side-effects - Kalyan
> > >    Dutta-Choudhury, The    Sentinel
> > >To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
> > >    world    <assam at assamnet.org>
> > >Message-ID:
> > >    <6e564ddf0903161424p5482b16es190baf547c7cd65d at mail.gmail.com>
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> > >
> > >Netters,
> > >
> > >Kalyan da writes well, and I kind of like this piece. Reminds me of
> > Gandhi,
> > >"Imitating the English Gentleman" which we had at high school, where
> > Gandhi
> > >declares
> > >"And Mr. Bell rang the bell of Alarm in my ears, and I awoke" after he
> > felt
> > >guilty asking money from back home for his elocution and music lessons
> in
> > >London.
> > >
> > >"The head tailor there was called masterji. When he was called, he
> showed
> > up
> > >at the front desk with a measuring tape coolly around his neck and the
> two
> > >ends of it dangling. He talked sparingly because he knew his business.
> Any
> > >professional person who talks to his or her clients doesn?t know his or
> > her
> > >profession." - K DC
> > >
> > >This is just precious. I remember going for my first job interview at
> > >Guwahati.. Didn't have a suit, so I borrowed a jacket from a friend -
> > similar
> > >shade. But the jacket was a size smaller. So, I used the next best
> option
> > -
> > >slung the jacket over my shoulders - to look hip, and make it look like
> it
> > >was my suit.
> > >
> > >--Ram
> > >_______________
> > >
> > >*Kalyan Dutta-Choudhury
> > >
> > >*A television programme showed men?s suits selling for upwards of, get
> > this
> > >incredible story, forty three thousand dollars. No, the suits weren?t
> made
> > >of gold or titanium or any other precious metal. They were regular
> woollen
> > >suits but the wool came from some animals grazing in some kind of grass
> > >which grew in cool highlands of South America. The interviewer sported a
> > >high-priced suit of that kind of lineage but he didn?t look any
> different
> > >than when he was wearing his regular suit of approximately of same
> colour
> > >and texture. But that?s purely my judgement.
> > >Then, what is the hype about paying forty three thousand dollars for a
> > suit?
> > >That lies in the psychology of buying at one end, and selling at the
> other
> > >end, of the business enterprise. The buyer may be a craven soul like
> > Barney
> > >Madeoff who made his money by bilking others, but how the seller, in
> right
> > >conscientiousness, could sell the high-priced suits? They are made of
> the
> > >same mould. They feed off each other?s depravity.
> > >A relative of ours went to France, of many other places, for a visit to
> > see
> > >how things were different up there.. It seemed he made lots of money.
> Who
> > >doesn?t make money in Assam? Only fools don?t. Looking around in Paris,
> he
> > >found a tailoring shop which made suits. Asking for the price of a suit,
> > he
> > >was shocked to learn the price of suits ? way too high. With that kind
> of
> > >money, he quickly calculated using his handy pocket calculator: ??I
> could
> > >make two pairs of suits with heavier clothing at Mohini?s in Guwahati.??
> > >That?s what he did. The suits were a bit ill-fitting and out of style.
> But
> > >who cares about good fit and style in the non-suit domain like Guwahati!
> > >It?s the quality of clothing that matters.
> > >In the late 50s and early 60s, there was a veritable mania of wearing
> > suits
> > >to look cool. All kinds of grants and scholarships made that possible.
> If
> > >you were a student at Assam Engineering College in those heady
> > ?engineering?
> > >days, and you the poor soul didn?t have a nice pair to wear to go to
> > Gauhati
> > >in the evenings, you were so out of style and time.
> > >So where did the students go to get their suits made? Where else but
> > >Mohini?s in Fancy Bazar? The head tailor there was called masterji. When
> > he
> > >was called, he showed up at the front desk with a measuring tape coolly
> > >around his neck and the two ends of it dangling. He talked sparingly
> > because
> > >he knew his business. Any professional person who talks to his or her
> > >clients doesn?t know his or her profession. Did you ever talk with your
> > >doctor? He will shut you up any time you open your mouth to say
> something
> > >important to him  ? something vitally important.
> > >Anyway, the culture of wearing a good pair of suits migrated down to
> those
> > >aspiring to be future engineers too. Such an aspiring soul came to board
> > in
> > >our DS hostel. In a short time, he discarded his white pajamas, blue
> > shirts
> > >and sandals and began wearing alternating between a light-blue suit and
> a
> > >dark-brown suit with appropriately matching shoes whenever he went out,
> > >which was often. When you wear a suit, you don?t sit in your room and
> > study
> > >like so many fools! You go out with other suit-wearers. When you?re out
> > with
> > >suit-wearers, you go for a long walk up and down through busy
> > thoroughfares
> > >stopping at stores and buying odd little things showing off what a cool
> > guy
> > >you were. If there were womenfolk in the stores, it was moksha! There
> were
> > >women. But they had more sense. They won?t tango with them.
> > >One evening, the student?s father showed up at the hostel enquiring
> about
> > >his son. But the son wasn?t there for hours, perhaps gallivanting in the
> > >city street. After hours passed, I came out of my room and asked the man
> > if
> > >I could take a message for his son. ??No, that won?t be necessary... I?m
> > >financially ruined. I can?t keep up with his demands. Every so often he
> > >would come home and tell his mother he needed money. Lots of them. He
> > needs
> > >to buy suits, shirts and shoes to prepare himself to be an good
> engineer.
> > >I?m just a railway clerk at Maligaon... How would I know how engineers
> are
> > >made??? said the haggard man wisping in Bengali.
> > >It was the most pathetic and most depraved story I had the misfortune
> ever
> > >came to hear. If I had a hidden desire to buy a pair of nice suits, it
> > >instantly vanished for a few years at least. I came to the US wearing a
> > suit
> > >but I discarded that in favour of blue jeans and T-shirts. If I care to
> > >look, the suit might be still there somewhere in the house. But for what
> > >should I do that? I?m a non-suit man heart and soul.
> > >(The writer is settled at Berkeley, California)
> > >
> > >
> > >------------------------------
> > >
> > >Message: 3
> > >Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:32:18 -0500
> > >From: kamal deka <kjit.deka at gmail.com>
> > >Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
> > >To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
> > >    world    <assam at assamnet.org>
> > >Message-ID:
> > >    <7b43066c0903161532y7515bd76n4b059052c9805229 at mail.gmail.com>
> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> > >
> > >Why?He was the one who is complining about their ignorance.
> > >
> > >On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 8:21 AM, Rajen Barua <barua25 at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  Why would Mr Wahid confront anybody?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  What Prof Amalendu Gauha wrote about 'Ha-Sam' was not based on his
> own
> > >>  research work. He simply borrowed the writing from Mr Baden Powell
> even
> > >>  without quoting Mr Powell. I also wrote about the word 'Ha-Sam' in my
> > >>  article  but I quoted Mr Baden Powell. Also Prof Guha was writing
> based
> > on
> > >>  his communistic outlook, not much as history of the word Assam.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  There are many ignorant educated people in Assam. There are again
> some
> > >>  educated intellectuals with different agendas.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  Let people read Mr. Wahid's writings and confront him if they have
> any
> > >>  problem.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  Rajen Barua
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  > Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:03:37 -0500
> > >>  > From: kjit.deka at gmail.com
> > >>  > To: assam at assamnet.org
> > >>  > Subject: [Assam] About the name Assam
> > >>  >
> > >>  > I am wondering what prevents Mr.Saleh from confronting people like
> > >>  > Prof.Priyam Goswami of Gauhati University or Prof.Amalendu Guha
> with
> > his
> > >>  > newly-found Dutch document which will certainly make them
> > >>  laughter-evoking
> > >>  > buffoons for being so ignorant about Assam's history ?
> > >>  > KJD
> > >>  > _______________________________________________
> > >>  > assam mailing list
> > >>  > assam at assamnet.org
> > >>  > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
> > >>  _______________________________________________
> > >>  assam mailing list
> > >>  assam at assamnet.org
> > >>  http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >------------------------------
> > >
> > >Message: 4
> > >Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:40:53 -0500
> > >From: kamal deka <kjit.deka at gmail.com>
> > >Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
> > >To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
> > >    world    <assam at assamnet.org>
> > >Message-ID:
> > >    <7b43066c0903161540w77182f79ic7ddde0451584e6b at mail.gmail.com>
> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> > >
> > >Did you read his mail? Very self-explanatory.
> > >
> > >On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 9:31 PM, Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >>  *** Wahid kokaideu does not have to go looking for Priyom Goswami or
> > >>  Omolendu Guho for a confrontation. He has presented his findings. If
> > >someone
> > >>  has a problem with it, they can very well
> > >>  confront him, seek proof  or rebut it or whatever.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  At 3:03 PM -0500 3/15/09, kamal deka wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>  I am wondering what prevents Mr.Saleh from confronting people like
> > >>>  Prof.Priyam Goswami of Gauhati University or Prof.Amalendu Guha with
> > his
> > >>>  newly-found Dutch document which will certainly make them
> > >laughter-evoking
> > >>>  buffoons for being so ignorant about Assam's history ?
> > >>>  KJD
> > >>>  _______________________________________________
> > >>>  assam mailing list
> > >>>  assam at assamnet.org
> > >  >> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  _______________________________________________
> > >>  assam mailing list
> > >>  assam at assamnet.org
> > >>  http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >------------------------------
> > >
> > >Message: 5
> > >Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:46:33 -0500
> > >From: kamal deka <kjit.deka at gmail.com>
> > >Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
> > >To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
> > >    world    <assam at assamnet.org>
> > >Message-ID:
> > >    <7b43066c0903161546pa713174q41f2bc298fc85ccc at mail.gmail.com>
> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-13
> > >
> > >According to historian Satyendra Nath Sarma, [*Sarma, Satyendra Nath
> > (1976)
> > >"Assamese Literature", Harrassowitz, Wiesbaden.*]
> > >
> > >While the Shan invaders called themselves Tai, they came to be referred
> to
> > >as "?s?m", "?sam" and sometimes as "Acam" by the indigenous people of
> the
> > >country. The modern Assamese word "?hom" by which the Tai people are
> known
> > >is derived from "?s?m" or "?sam". The epithet applied to the Shan
> > conquerors
> > >was subsequently transferred to the country over which they ruled and
> thus
> > >the name K?mar?pa was replaced by ?s?m, which ultimately took the
> > >Sanskritized form "Asama", meaning "unequalled, peerless or uneven"
> > >[*Banikanta
> > >Kakati: "Assamese: Its Formation and Development", p2*]
> > >
> > >
> > >On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Dilip and Dil Deka
> > ><dilipdeka at yahoo.com>wrote:
> > >
> > >>  The debaters on this subject are looking at only two facets - the
> > Tai-Ahom
> > >>  connection and the possible Sanskritization. There is a third one to
> > look
> > >>  at. The Bodo-Kacharis have been in Assam longer than anyone else and
> > their
> > >>  people are spread all over Assam.
> > >>  What did they call the land? Many rivers in Assam still have their
> Bodo
> > >>  names.
> > >>  What did they call the Tais who came to Assam in the 13th century?
> > >>  Is there "xo" sound in Bodo language?
> > >>  It is very possible that some words in Bodo were at the root of
> "Oxom",
> > >>  "Assam", "Asom" or whatever else. Please do not throw away Dr. A.
> Guha
> > or
> > >>  Baden Powell(is that the name?) yet.
> > >>
> > >>  I don't know a word of Bodo language. Could someone who knows Bodo
> > comment
> > >>  on the above?
> > >>  I did go to the website http://www.bodoland.org/language1.htm and
> > found
> > >>  some interesting words but not much that would help the debate.
> > >>  Dilip Deka
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  ________________________________
> > >>  From: Rajen Barua <barua25 at hotmail.com>
> > >>  To: assamnet <assam at assamnet.org>
> > >>  Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 8:21:13 AM
> > >>  Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  Why would Mr Wahid confront anybody?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  What Prof Amalendu Gauha wrote about 'Ha-Sam' was not based on his
> own
> > >>  research work. He simply borrowed the writing from Mr Baden Powell
> even
> > >>  without quoting Mr Powell. I also wrote about the word 'Ha-Sam' in my
> > >>  article  but I quoted Mr Baden Powell. Also Prof Guha was writing
> based
> > on
> > >>  his communistic outlook, not much as history of the word Assam.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  There are many ignorant educated people in Assam. There are again
> some
> > >>  educated intellectuals with different agendas.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  Let people read Mr. Wahid's writings and confront him if they have
> any
> > >>  problem.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  Rajen Barua
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  > Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:03:37 -0500
> > >>  > From: kjit.deka at gmail.com
> > >>  > To: assam at assamnet.org
> > >>  > Subject: [Assam] About the name Assam
> > >>  >
> > >>  > I am wondering what prevents Mr.Saleh from confronting people like
> > >>  > Prof.Priyam Goswami of Gauhati University or Prof..Amalendu Guha
> with
> > his
> > >>  > newly-found Dutch document which will certainly make them
> > >>  laughter-evoking
> > >>  > buffoons for being so ignorant about Assam's history ?
> > >>  > KJD
> > >>  > _______________________________________________
> > >>  > assam mailing list
> > >>  > assam at assamnet.org
> > >>  > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
> > >>  _______________________________________________
> > >>  assam mailing list
> > >>  assam at assamnet.org
> > >>  http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
> > >>  _______________________________________________
> > >>  assam mailing list
> > >>  assam at assamnet.org
> > >>  http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >------------------------------
> > >
> > >Message: 6
> > >Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 18:22:57 -0500
> > >From: Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net>
> > >Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
> > >To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
> > >    world    <assam at assamnet.org>
> > >Message-ID: <a06240801c5e48f2413b2@[192.168.0.197]>
> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed"
> > >
> > >Does S N Sarma refer to any proof or is it a
> > >conjecture? And at what time frame did the name
> > >Asam came to be the defining name of the kingdom?
> > >Will it be reasonable to surmise that it was much
> > >before the British came?
> > >
> > >The Sanskritized form is a pure and unadulterated conjecture of modern
> > >times.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >At 5:46 PM -0500 3/16/09, kamal deka wrote:
> > >>According to historian Satyendra Nath Sarma, [*Sarma, Satyendra Nath
> > (1976)
> > >>"Assamese Literature", Harrassowitz, Wiesbaden.*]
> > >>
> > >>While the Shan invaders called themselves Tai, they came to be referred
> > to
> > >>as "?s?m", "?sam" and sometimes as "Acam" by the indigenous people of
> the
> > >>country. The modern Assamese word "?hom" by which the Tai people are
> > known
> > >>is derived from "?s?m" or "?sam". The epithet applied to the Shan
> > >conquerors
> > >>was subsequently transferred to the country over which they ruled and
> > thus
> > >>the name K?mar?pa was replaced by ?s?m, which ultimately took the
> > >>Sanskritized form "Asama", meaning "unequalled,
> > >>peerless or uneven" [*Banikanta
> > >>Kakati: "Assamese: Its Formation and Development", p2*]
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Dilip and Dil
> > >>Deka <dilipdeka at yahoo.com>wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>  The debaters on this subject are looking at only two facets - the
> > >Tai-Ahom
> > >>>  connection and the possible Sanskritization. There is a third one to
> > >look
> > >>>  at. The Bodo-Kacharis have been in Assam longer than anyone else and
> > >their
> > >>>  people are spread all over Assam.
> > >>>  What did they call the land? Many rivers in Assam still have their
> > Bodo
> > >>>  names.
> > >>>  What did they call the Tais who came to Assam in the 13th century?
> > >>>  Is there "xo" sound in Bodo language?
> > >>>  It is very possible that some words in Bodo were at the root of
> > "Oxom",
> > >>>  "Assam", "Asom" or whatever else. Please do not throw away Dr. A.
> Guha
> > >or
> > >>>  Baden Powell(is that the name?) yet.
> > >>>
> > >>>  I don't know a word of Bodo language. Could someone who knows Bodo
> > >comment
> > >>>  on the above?
> > >>>  I did go to the website http://www.bodoland.org/language1.htm and
> > found
> > >>>  some interesting words but not much that would help the debate.
> > >>>  Dilip Deka
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>  ________________________________
> > >>>  From: Rajen Barua <barua25 at hotmail.com>
> > >>>  To: assamnet <assam at assamnet.org>
> > >>>  Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 8:21:13 AM
> > >>>  Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>  Why would Mr Wahid confront anybody?
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>  What Prof Amalendu Gauha wrote about 'Ha-Sam' was not based on his
> own
> > >>>  research work. He simply borrowed the writing from Mr Baden Powell
> > even
> > >>>  without quoting Mr Powell. I also wrote about the word 'Ha-Sam' in
> my
> > >>>  article  but I quoted Mr Baden Powell. Also Prof Guha was writing
> > based
> > >on
> > >>>  his communistic outlook, not much as history of the word Assam.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>  There are many ignorant educated people in Assam. There are again
> some
> > >>>  educated intellectuals with different agendas.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>  Let people read Mr. Wahid's writings and confront him if they have
> any
> > >>>  problem.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>  Rajen Barua
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>  > Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:03:37 -0500
> > >>>  > From: kjit.deka at gmail.com
> > >>>  > To: assam at assamnet.org
> > >>>  > Subject: [Assam] About the name Assam
> > >>>  >
> > >>>  > I am wondering what prevents Mr.Saleh from confronting people like
> > >>>  > Prof.Priyam Goswami of Gauhati University or Prof.Amalendu Guha
> with
> > >his
> > >>>  > newly-found Dutch document which will certainly make them
> > >>>  laughter-evoking
> > >>>  > buffoons for being so ignorant about Assam's history ?
> > >>>  > KJD
> > >>>  > _______________________________________________
> > >>>  > assam mailing list
> > >>>  > assam at assamnet.org
> > >>>  > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
> > >>>  _______________________________________________
> > >>>  assam mailing list
> > >>>  assam at assamnet.org
> > >  >>  http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
> > >>>  _______________________________________________
> > >>>  assam mailing list
> > >>>  assam at assamnet.org
> > >>>  http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
> > >>>
> > >>_______________________________________________
> > >>assam mailing list
> > >>assam at assamnet.org
> > >>http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
> > >
> > >
> > >------------------------------
> > >
> > >Message: 7
> > >Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:54:43 -0500
> > >From: "Rajen & Ajanta Barua" <barua25 at hotmail.com>
> > >Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
> > >To: "A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
> > >    world"    <assam at assamnet.org>
> > >Message-ID: <BLU104-DS7C413BFDCE6E3BC440122AD980 at phx.gbl>
> > >Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="iso-8859-1"
> > >
> > >Dear Choudhury:
> > >Since you are new to the Assam net, please know that in this net we
> > discuss
> > >and debate all kinds of intelligent intellectual issues.
> > >Please don't take anything personally in assam net. Here we do friendly
> > >intellectual hot debates all the time. Kamal, me, Ramgopal, Dilip,
> > Chandan,
> > >Wahid and many others are friends, and actually many of us live in same
> > city
> > >Houston as friends. But in hot issues we do heated debates and try to
> > thrash
> > >out truths for the sake of the community. We understand that sometime
> the
> > >truths hurt.
> > >
> > >When Kamal wrote us as 'neophyte historians' we do not take it
> personally.
> > >
> > >When I wrote, "There are many ignorant educated people in Assam."
> > >Or " There are again some educated intellectuals with different
> agendas."
> > >
> > >It is same as the statement "There are many educated corrupt people in
> > >Assam".
> > >I am sure that statement would not mean that all the people of Assam are
> > >corrupt by any stretch of imagination. On the other hand if I make this
> > >statement, many will support me.
> > >These do not anyway mean that we are blaming all the people of Assam.
> Nor
> > >does it mean that people living outside Assam are superior or better.
> Many
> > >from Assam take part here. We never write thinking the people of Assam
> as
> > >different from us.
> > >I wrote I wrote in similar vein.
> > >I am sorry if I somehow hurt yours or anybody's feeling. But frankly
> > >speaking that is the flavor and beauty of Assam net.
> > >The net is doing a great service to the Assamese community for many many
> > >years now..
> > >I also want to clarify that this is not Friends of Assam net which is
> > >different. You may be confused for some reason.
> > >Regards
> > >
> > >Rajen Barua
> > >
> > >
> > >From: Choudhary, H. N. - AMW - MUM
> > >Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:29 AM
> > >To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world
> > >Cc: rc2559 at columbia.edu
> > >Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
> > >
> > >
> > >Dear All,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Having read the mails and communications on the subject  "about the name
> > >of Assam",
> > >
> > >I feel that the debate on the subject has become acrimonious and
> > >somewhat personal.
> > >
> > >No one can clam fame to become a historian overnight by writing an
> > >article on a historical topic. It is also not appropriate to call them
> > >"neophyte historians" as they may not deserve the accolade.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >If I have to give my comments on the following remarks:
> > >
> > >"There are many ignorant educated people in Assam. There are again some
> > >educated intellectuals with different agendas."
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >-- I will like to reserve my comments.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Please exercise restraint and caution on commenting poorly on the whole
> > >of Assam or Assamese people.
> > >
> > >Your geographical location outside Assam (in USA or elsewhere) does not
> > >confer the right to make un-parliamentary
> > >
> > >comments on the people in Assam.
> > >
> > >These are sensitive issues.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >I am a recent addition to the group.
> > >
> > >I have served for many years in the Army and now in an Indian corporate.
> > >
> > >
> > >Having he advantage to experienced the best traditions of our culture
> > >and a mix of British culture,
> > >
> > >I could suggest that views and opinions need not "hurt" anyone. Please
> > >show tolerance.
> > >
> > >If we follow that in the Friends of Assam, we will remain friends.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >I request both parties  to cool off.
> > >
> > >There is too much heat at the moment.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Regards,
> > >
> > >Col Hemen N Choudhary
> > >
> > >W Sea Face
> > >
> > >Mumbai
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: assam-bounces at assamnet.org [mailto:assam-bounces at assamnet.org] On
> > >Behalf Of Rajen Barua
> > >Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 6:51 PM
> > >To: assamnet
> > >Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Why would Mr Wahid confront anybody?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >What Prof Amalendu Gauha wrote about 'Ha-Sam' was not based on his own
> > >research work. He simply borrowed the writing from Mr Baden Powell even
> > >without quoting Mr Powell. I also wrote about the word 'Ha-Sam' in my
> > >article  but I quoted Mr Baden Powell. Also Prof Guha was writing based
> > >on his communistic outlook, not much as history of the word Assam.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >There are
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Let people read Mr. Wahid's writings and confront him if they have any
> > >problem.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Rajen Barua
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>  Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:03:37 -0500
> > >
> > >>  From: kjit.deka at gmail.com
> > >
> > >>  To: assam at assamnet.org
> > >
> > >>  Subject: [Assam] About the name Assam
> > >
> > >>
> > >
> > >>  I am wondering what prevents Mr.Saleh from confronting people like
> > >
> > >>  Prof.Priyam Goswami of Gauhati University or Prof.Amalendu Guha with
> > >his
> > >
> > >>  newly-found Dutch document which will certainly make them
> > >laughter-evoking
> > >
> > >>  buffoons for being so ignorant about Assam's history ?
> > >
> > >>  KJD
> > >
> > >>  _______________________________________________
> > >
> > >>  assam mailing list
> > >
> > >>  assam at assamnet.org
> > >
> > >>  http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
> > >
> > >_______________________________________________
> > >
> > >assam mailing list
> > >
> > >assam at assamnet.org
> > >
> > >http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >DISCLAIMER:
> > >Sample Disclaimer added in a VBScript.
> > >_______________________________________________
> > >assam mailing list
> > >assam at assamnet.org
> > >http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
> > >
> > >
> > >------------------------------
> > >
> > >Message: 8
> > >Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:04:05 -0500
> > >From: "Rajen & Ajanta Barua" <barua25 at hotmail.com>
> > >Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
> > >To: "A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
> > >    world"    <assam at assamnet.org>
> > >Message-ID: <BLU104-DS25A6D9ADC864C80E6C489AD980 at phx.gbl>
> > >Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="iso-8859-13"
> > >
> > >That is exactly what I wrote in my article with more elaboration of the
> > word
> > >"Acam". I however don't buy the last statement of Banikanta Kakopty',
> > >"which ultimately took the Sanskritized form "Asama", meaning
> "unequalled,
> > >peerless or uneven" [*Banikanta Kakati: "Assamese: Its Formation and
> > >Development", p2*]"
> > >
> > >Where this Sanskrit came from?
> > >
> > >Bottomline, the word ASSAM does not have any vestiges of colonial rule.
> > >
> > >The words OXOM and AHOM came from the Assamese word ACAM
> > >
> > >I am not writing anything new. People simply need to read history books
> > and
> > >find out the truth.
> > >
> > >It is a myth that ASSAM word is derived from OXOM.
> > >
> > >Rajen Barua
> > >
> > >
> > >From: kamal deka
> > >Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 5:46 PM
> > >To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world
> > >Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
> > >
> > >
> > >According to historian Satyendra Nath Sarma, [*Sarma, Satyendra Nath
> > (1976)
> > >"Assamese Literature", Harrassowitz, Wiesbaden.*]
> > >
> > >While the Shan invaders called themselves Tai, they came to be referred
> to
> > >as "?s?m", "?sam" and sometimes as "Acam" by the indigenous people of
> the
> > >country. The modern Assamese word "?hom" by which the Tai people are
> known
> > >is derived from "?s?m" or "?sam". The epithet applied to the Shan
> > conquerors
> > >was subsequently transferred to the country over which they ruled and
> thus
> > >the name K?mar?pa was replaced by ?s?m, which ultimately took the
> > >Sanskritized form "Asama", meaning "unequalled, peerless or uneven"
> > >[*Banikanta
> > >Kakati: "Assamese: Its Formation and Development", p2*]
> > >
> > >
> > >On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Dilip and Dil Deka
> > ><dilipdeka at yahoo.com>wrote:
> > >
> > >>  The debaters on this subject are looking at only two facets - the
> > Tai-Ahom
> > >>  connection and the possible Sanskritization. There is a third one to
> > look
> > >>  at. The Bodo-Kacharis have been in Assam longer than anyone else and
> > their
> > >>  people are spread all over Assam.
> > >>  What did they call the land? Many rivers in Assam still have their
> Bodo
> > >>  names.
> > >>  What did they call the Tais who came to Assam in the 13th century?
> > >>  Is there "xo" sound in Bodo language?
> > >>  It is very possible that some words in Bodo were at the root of
> "Oxom",
> > >  > "Assam", "Asom" or whatever else. Please do not throw away Dr. A.
> Guha
> > or
> > >>  Baden Powell(is that the name?) yet.
> > >>
> > >>  I don't know a word of Bodo language. Could someone who knows Bodo
> > comment
> > >>  on the above?
> > >>  I did go to the website http://www.bodoland.org/language1.htm and
> > found
> > >>  some interesting words but not much that would help the debate.
> > >>  Dilip Deka
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  ________________________________
> > >>  From: Rajen Barua <barua25 at hotmail.com>
> > >>  To: assamnet <assam at assamnet.org>
> > >>  Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 8:21:13 AM
> > >>  Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  Why would Mr Wahid confront anybody?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  What Prof Amalendu Gauha wrote about 'Ha-Sam' was not based on his
> own
> > >>  research work. He simply borrowed the writing from Mr Baden Powell
> even
> > >>  without quoting Mr Powell. I also wrote about the word 'Ha-Sam' in my
> > >>  article  but I quoted Mr Baden Powell. Also Prof Guha was writing
> based
> > on
> > >>  his communistic outlook, not much as history of the word Assam.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  There are many ignorant educated people in Assam. There are again
> some
> > >>  educated intellectuals with different agendas.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  Let people read Mr. Wahid's writings and confront him if they have
> any
> > >>  problem.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  Rajen Barua
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  > Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:03:37 -0500
> > >  > > From: kjit.deka at gmail.com
> > >>  > To: assam at assamnet.org
> > >>  > Subject: [Assam] About the name Assam
> > >>  >
> > >>  > I am wondering what prevents Mr..Saleh from confronting people like
> > >>  > Prof.Priyam Goswami of Gauhati University or Prof.Amalendu Guha
> with
> > his
> > >>  > newly-found Dutch document which will certainly make them
> > >>  laughter-evoking
> > >>  > buffoons for being so ignorant about Assam's history ?
> > >>  > KJD
> > >>  > _______________________________________________
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> > >>  > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
> > >>  _______________________________________________
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> > >
> > >
> > >------------------------------
> > >
> > >Message: 9
> > >Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:37:36 -0500
> > >From: "Rajen & Ajanta Barua" <barua25 at hotmail.com>
> > >Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
> > >To: "A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
> > >    world"    <assam at assamnet.org>
> > >Message-ID: <BLU104-DS2A75BE0FC0A139348BB75AD980 at phx.gbl>
> > >Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="iso-8859-1"
> > >
> > >Bodo is a Tibeto-Burman language. So far I know no Tibeto Burman
> language
> > >has the XO sound which is an Indo-European sound.
> > >The Bodo might have taken some Assamese words and might now pronounce
> the
> > XO
> > >sound. This I donot know for sure. The Bodos were in Assam for about
> 3000
> > >years.
> > >
> > >I have a small book, written in Assamese titled "Boro Bhaxa Xikhya" by
> Mr
> > >Sanokyo Brohmo.
> > >The book does tell how to pronounce the Assamese letters, that is XO as
> SO
> > >or XO?.
> > >
> > >Mr Baden Powel claims that the Bodo has the word "Ha-com" which mean low
> > or
> > >level land. He states, " The name Assam is most probably traceable to
> the
> > >Boro 'Ha-Com' which mean low or level country. The Boro word for water
> > (di)
> > >has remained in the names of the rivers e.g. Dihong etc". "The Indian
> > >Village Community" by Baden Powel (page 135).
> > >
> > >I could not find the any Boro word 'Ha-Com' in the above book. However
> the
> > >book has the word Ha which mean land. There is also a word 'Com' (that
> is
> > >Som) which mean time. So we donot get anywhere. Even if we take Baden
> > >Powel's word, it again simply mean that Acam or Asam word is a local
> > >Assamese word and that it is earlier than Oxom. It also mean that
> > Acam/Asam
> > >or Assam is  not an anglicised word.
> > >
> > >Note, we will have to take the outside historians of Assam with a grain
> of
> > >salt because the same Baden Powel wrote in the same book the following
> > >statement>
> > >"The local dialect, Assamese, is a comparatively recent modification of
> > >Bengali"
> > >This how much this famous historian knows about Assam and the Assamese.
> > >
> > >After reading Gait and many other history books on Assam, I find one
> > >Assamese historian who wrote a really good autentic history of Assam. He
> > is
> > >P.C. Choudhury (The Histroy of the Civilisation of the People of Assam).
> > >Anybody who wants to know about the past history of Assam should read
> it.
> > >
> > >For our cultural past, one should read Dimbeswar Neog.
> > >
> > >Rajen Barua
> > >
> > >From: Dilip and Dil Deka
> > >Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 10:57 AM
> > >To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world
> > >Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
> > >
> > >
> > >The debaters on this subject are looking at only two facets - the
> Tai-Ahom
> > >connection and the possible Sanskritization. There is a third one to
> look
> > >at. The Bodo-Kacharis have been in Assam longer than anyone else and
> their
> > >people are spread all over Assam.
> > >What did they call the land? Many rivers in Assam still have their Bodo
> > >names.
> > >What did they call the Tais who came to Assam in the 13th century?
> > >Is there "xo" sound in Bodo language?
> > >It is very possible that some words in Bodo were at the root of "Oxom",
> > >"Assam", "Asom" or whatever else. Please do not throw away Dr. A. Guha
> or
> > >Baden Powell(is that the name?) yet.
> > >
> > >I don't know a word of Bodo language. Could someone who knows Bodo
> comment
> > >on the above?
> > >I did go to the website http://www.bodoland.org/language1.htm and found
> > some
> > >interesting words but not much that would help the debate.
> > >Dilip Deka
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >________________________________
> > >From: Rajen Barua <barua25 at hotmail.com>
> > >To: assamnet <assam at assamnet.org>
> > >Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 8:21:13 AM
> > >Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Why would Mr Wahid confront anybody?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >What Prof Amalendu Gauha wrote about 'Ha-Sam' was not based on his own
> > >research work. He simply borrowed the writing from Mr Baden Powell even
> > >without quoting Mr Powell. I also wrote about the word 'Ha-Sam' in my
> > >article but I quoted Mr Baden Powell. Also Prof Guha was writing based
> on
> > >his communistic outlook, not much as history of the word Assam.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >There are many ignorant educated people in Assam. There are again some
> > >educated intellectuals with different agendas.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Let people read Mr. Wahid's writings and confront him if they have any
> > >problem.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Rajen Barua
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>  Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:03:37 -0500
> > >>  From: kjit..deka at gmail.com
> > >>  To: assam at assamnet.org
> > >>  Subject: [Assam] About the name Assam
> > >>
> > >>  I am wondering what prevents Mr.Saleh from confronting people like
> > >>  Prof.Priyam Goswami of Gauhati University or Prof.Amalendu Guha with
> > his
> > >>  newly-found Dutch document which will certainly make them
> > laughter-evoking
> > >>  buffoons for being so ignorant about Assam's history ?
> > >>  KJD
> > >>  _______________________________________________
> > >>  assam mailing list
> > >>  assam at assamnet.org
> > >>  http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
> > >_______________________________________________
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> > >http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
> > >
> > >
> > >------------------------------
> > >
> > >Message: 10
> > >Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 22:31:03 -0500
> > >From: kamal deka <kjit.deka at gmail.com>
> > >Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
> > >To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
> > >    world    <assam at assamnet.org>
> > >Message-ID:
> > >    <7b43066c0903162031i3398f79chb4aff0de6b0a7870 at mail.gmail.com>
> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> > >
> > >I do agree
> > >
> > >On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Rajen & Ajanta Barua
> > ><barua25 at hotmail.com>wrote:
> > >
> > >>  Dear Choudhury:
> > >>  Since you are new to the Assam net, please know that in this net we
> > >discuss
> > >>  and debate all kinds of intelligent intellectual issues.
> > >>  Please don't take anything personally in assam net. Here we do
> friendly
> > >>  intellectual hot debates all the time. Kamal, me, Ramgopal, Dilip,
> > >Chandan,
> > >>  Wahid and many others are friends, and actually many of us live in
> same
> > >city
> > >>  Houston as friends. But in hot issues we do heated debates and try to
> > >thrash
> > >  > out truths for the sake of the community. We understand that
> sometime
> > the
> > >>  truths hurt.
> > >>
> > >>  When Kamal wrote us as 'neophyte historians' we do not take it
> > personally.
> > >>
> > >>  When I wrote, "There are many ignorant educated people in Assam."
> > >>  Or " There are again some educated intellectuals with different
> > agendas."
> > >>
> > >>  It is same as the statement "There are many educated corrupt people
> in
> > >>  Assam".
> > >>  I am sure that statement would not mean that all the people of Assam
> > are
> > >>  corrupt by any stretch of imagination. On the other hand if I make
> this
> > >>  statement, many will support me.
> > >>  These do not anyway mean that we are blaming all the people of Assam.
> > Nor
> > >>  does it mean that people living outside Assam are superior or better.
> > Many
> > >>  from Assam take part here. We never write thinking the people of
> Assam
> > as
> > >>  different from us.
> > >>  I wrote I wrote in similar vein.
> > >>  I am sorry if I somehow hurt yours or anybody's feeling. But frankly
> > >>  speaking that is the flavor and beauty of Assam net.
> > >>  The net is doing a great service to the Assamese community for many
> > many
> > >>  years now.
> > >>  I also want to clarify that this is not Friends of Assam net which is
> > >>  different. You may be confused for some reason.
> > >>  Regards
> > >>
> > >>  Rajen Barua
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  From: Choudhary, H. N. - AMW - MUM
> > >>  Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:29 AM
> > >>  To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
> world
> > >  > Cc: rc2559 at columbia.edu
> > >>  Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  Dear All,
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  Having read the mails and communications on the subject  "about the
> > name
> > >>  of Assam",
> > >>
> > >>  I feel that the debate on the subject has become acrimonious and
> > >>  somewhat personal.
> > >>
> > >>  No one can clam fame to become a historian overnight by writing an
> > >>  article on a historical topic. It is also not appropriate to call
> them
> > >>  "neophyte historians" as they may not deserve the accolade.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  If I have to give my comments on the following remarks:
> > >>
> > >>  "There are many ignorant educated people in Assam. There are again
> some
> > >>  educated intellectuals with different agendas."
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  -- I will like to reserve my comments.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  Please exercise restraint and caution on commenting poorly on the
> whole
> > >>  of Assam or Assamese people.
> > >>
> > >>  Your geographical location outside Assam (in USA or elsewhere) does
> not
> > >>  confer the right to make un-parliamentary
> > >>
> > >>  comments on the people in Assam.
> > >>
> > >>  These are sensitive issues.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  I am a recent addition to the group.
> > >>
> > >>  I have served for many years in the Army and now in an Indian
> > corporate.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  Having he advantage to experienced the best traditions of our culture
> > >>  and a mix of British culture,
> > >>
> > >>  I could suggest that views and opinions need not "hurt" anyone.
> Please
> > >>  show tolerance.
> > >>
> > >>  If we follow that in the Friends of Assam, we will remain friends.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  I request both parties  to cool off..
> > >>
> > >>  There is too much heat at the moment.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  Regards,
> > >>
> > >>  Col Hemen N Choudhary
> > >>
> > >>  W Sea Face
> > >>
> > >>  Mumbai
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  -----Original Message-----
> > >>  From: assam-bounces at assamnet.org [mailto:assam-bounces at assamnet.org]
> > On
> > >>  Behalf Of Rajen Barua
> > >>  Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 6:51 PM
> > >>  To: assamnet
> > >>  Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  Why would Mr Wahid confront anybody?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  What Prof Amalendu Gauha wrote about 'Ha-Sam' was not based on his
> own
> > >>  research work. He simply borrowed the writing from Mr Baden Powell
> even
> > >>  without quoting Mr Powell. I also wrote about the word 'Ha-Sam' in my
> > >>  article  but I quoted Mr Baden Powell. Also Prof Guha was writing
> based
> > >>  on his communistic outlook, not much as history of the word Assam.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  There are
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  Let people read Mr. Wahid's writings and confront him if they have
> any
> > >>  problem.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  Rajen Barua
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  > Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:03:37 -0500
> > >>
> > >>  > From: kjit.deka at gmail.com
> > >>
> > >>  > To: assam at assamnet.org
> > >>
> > >>  > Subject: [Assam] About the name Assam
> > >>
> > >>  >
> > >>
> > >>  > I am wondering what prevents Mr.Saleh from confronting people like
> > >>
> > >>  > Prof.Priyam Goswami of Gauhati University or Prof.Amalendu Guha
> with
> > >  > his
> > >>
> > >>  > newly-found Dutch document which will certainly make them
> > >>  laughter-evoking
> > >>
> > >>  > buffoons for being so ignorant about Assam's history ?
> > >>
> > >>  > KJD
> > >>
> > >>  > _______________________________________________
> > >>
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> > >>
> > >>  > assam at assamnet.org
> > >>
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> > >>
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> > >>
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> > >>
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> > >>
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> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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> > >
> > >
> > >------------------------------
> > >
> > >Message: 11
> > >Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 22:54:19 -0500
> > >From: kamal deka <kjit.deka at gmail.com>
> > >Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
> > >To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
> > >    world    <assam at assamnet.org>
> > >Message-ID:
> > >    <7b43066c0903162054s1cf4f395wc7673fbdc0945fb8 at mail.gmail.com>
> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> > >
> > >I have been given to understand that even the British could not
> pronounce
> > >the XO sound.The names of many tea-gardens in Assam are spelled as HO
> > rather
> > >than XO.There is a tea-garden close to Tinsukia named HUKANPUKHURI
> instead
> > >of XUKANPUKHURI.A passing remark only.
> > >By the way,have you read the book published by Lawyer's Book Stall
> > recently
> > >which was translated from French into English ? The book is related to
> > >a diary of a French traveller.In that translated book,the name of our
> > >state is written as ASEM.
> > >KJD
> > >
> > >On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Rajen & Ajanta Barua
> > ><barua25 at hotmail.com>wrote:
> > >
> > >>  Bodo is a Tibeto-Burman language. So far I know no Tibeto Burman
> > language
> > >>  has the XO sound which is an Indo-European sound.
> > >>  The Bodo might have taken some Assamese words and might now pronounce
> > the
> > >>  XO sound. This I donot know for sure. The Bodos were in Assam for
> about
> > >3000
> > >>  years.
> > >>
> > >>  I have a small book, written in Assamese titled "Boro Bhaxa Xikhya"
> by
> > Mr
> > >>  Sanokyo Brohmo.
> > >>  The book does tell how to pronounce the Assamese letters, that is XO
> as
> > SO
> > >>  or XO?.
> > >>
> > >>  Mr Baden Powel claims that the Bodo has the word "Ha-com" which mean
> > low
> > >or
> > >>  level land. He states, " The name Assam is most probably traceable to
> > the
> > >>  Boro 'Ha-Com' which mean low or level country. The Boro word for
> water
> > >(di)
> > >>  has remained in the names of the rivers e.g. Dihong etc". "The Indian
> > >>  Village Community" by Baden Powel (page 135).
> > >>
> > >>  I could not find the any Boro word 'Ha-Com' in the above book.
> However
> > the
> > >>  book has the word Ha which mean land. There is also a word 'Com'
> (that
> > is
> > >>  Som) which mean time. So we donot get anywhere. Even if we take Baden
> > >>  Powel's word, it again simply mean that Acam or Asam word is a local
> > >>  Assamese word and that it is earlier than Oxom. It also mean that
> > >Acam/Asam
> > >>  or Assam is  not an anglicised word.
> > >>
> > >>  Note, we will have to take the outside historians of Assam with a
> grain
> > of
> > >>  salt because the same Baden Powel wrote in the same book the
> following
> > >>  statement>
> > >>  "The local dialect, Assamese, is a comparatively recent modification
> of
> > >>  Bengali"
> > >>  This how much this famous historian knows about Assam and the
> Assamese.
> > >>
> > >>  After reading Gait and many other history books on Assam, I find one
> > >>  Assamese historian who wrote a really good autentic history of Assam.
> > He
> > >is
> > >>  P.C. Choudhury (The Histroy of the Civilisation of the People of
> > Assam).
> > >>  Anybody who wants to know about the past history of Assam should read
> > it.
> > >>
> > >>  For our cultural past, one should read Dimbeswar Neog.
> > >>
> > >>  Rajen Barua
> > >>
> > >>  From: Dilip and Dil Deka
> > >>  Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 10:57 AM
> > >>  To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
> world
> > >>  Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  The debaters on this subject are looking at only two facets - the
> > Tai-Ahom
> > >>  connection and the possible Sanskritization. There is a third one to
> > look
> > >  > at. The Bodo-Kacharis have been in Assam longer than anyone else and
> > their
> > >>  people are spread all over Assam.
> > >>  What did they call the land? Many rivers in Assam still have their
> Bodo
> > >>  names.
> > >>  What did they call the Tais who came to Assam in the 13th century?
> > >>  Is there "xo" sound in Bodo language?
> > >>  It is very possible that some words in Bodo were at the root of
> "Oxom",
> > >>  "Assam", "Asom" or whatever else. Please do not throw away Dr. A.
> Guha
> > or
> > >>  Baden Powell(is that the name?) yet.
> > >>
> > >>  I don't know a word of Bodo language. Could someone who knows Bodo
> > comment
> > >>  on the above?
> > >>  I did go to the website http://www.bodoland.org/language1.htm and
> > found
> > >>  some interesting words but not much that would help the debate.
> > >>  Dilip Deka
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  ________________________________
> > >>  From: Rajen Barua <barua25 at hotmail.com>
> > >>  To: assamnet <assam at assamnet.org>
> > >>  Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 8:21:13 AM
> > >>  Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  Why would Mr Wahid confront anybody?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  What Prof Amalendu Gauha wrote about 'Ha-Sam' was not based on his
> own
> > >>  research work.. He simply borrowed the writing from Mr Baden Powell
> > even
> > >>  without quoting Mr Powell. I also wrote about the word 'Ha-Sam' in my
> > >>  article but I quoted Mr Baden Powell. Also Prof Guha was writing
> based
> > on
> > >>  his communistic outlook, not much as history of the word Assam.
> > >  >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  There are many ignorant educated people in Assam. There are again
> some
> > >>  educated intellectuals with different agendas.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  Let people read Mr. Wahid's writings and confront him if they have
> any
> > >>  problem.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  Rajen Barua
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  > Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:03:37 -0500
> > >>  > From: kjit.deka at gmail.com
> > >>  > To: assam at assamnet.org
> > >>  > Subject: [Assam] About the name Assam
> > >>  >
> > >>  > I am wondering what prevents Mr.Saleh from confronting people like
> > >>  > Prof.Priyam Goswami of Gauhati University or Prof.Amalendu Guha
> with
> > his
> > >>  > newly-found Dutch document which will certainly make them
> > >>  laughter-evoking
> > >>  > buffoons for being so ignorant about Assam's history ?
> > >>  > KJD
> > >>  > _______________________________________________
> > >>  > assam mailing list
> > >>  > assam at assamnet.org
> > >>  > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
> > >>  _______________________________________________
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> > >>  assam at assamnet.org
> > >>  http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
> > >>  _______________________________________________
> > >>  assam mailing list
> > >>  assam at assamnet.org
> > >>  http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
> > >>  _______________________________________________
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> > >>  assam at assamnet.org
> > >>  http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >------------------------------
> > >
> > >Message: 12
> > >Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:59:31 -0700 (PDT)
> > >From: Dilip and Dil Deka <dilipdeka at yahoo.com>
> > >Subject: [Assam] Fragmented Memories: Struggling to be Tai-Ahom in
> > >    India -    by Yasmin Saikia
> > >To: ASSAMNET <assam at assamnet.org>
> > >Message-ID: <802445.61510.qm at web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> > >
> > >Click on the link below. You will get some very interesting information.
> > >Above all you will get an idea about Buranjis and the so called Ahom
> > >kingdom.
> > >Yasmin Saikia has done considerable research and put together
> information
> > >that we all want to know.
> > >This link does not have all the pages of the book but one can buy the
> > whole
> > >book.
> > >Dilip Deka
> > >
> > >Fragmented Memories: Struggling to be Tai-Ahom in India - Google Books
> > >Result
> > >by Yasmin Saikia - 2004 - Social Science - 327 pages
> > >In Assam even today people talk about a buranji called Chakarepheti
> > Buranji
> > >(The hooded ... past were removed by such drastic measures as burning
> > >buranjis. ...
> > >books.google..com/books?isbn=0822333732...
> > >
> > >------------------------------
> > >
> > >Message: 13
> > >Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:33:59 +0530
> > >From: Babul Gogoi <bgogoi at gmail.com>
> > >Subject: Re: [Assam] Fragmented Memories: Struggling to be Tai-Ahom in
> > >    India    - by Yasmin Saikia
> > >To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
> > >    world    <assam at assamnet.org>
> > >Message-ID:
> > >    <880b6ca80903162103i70f53eb9u428f89e65b928ae1 at mail.gmail.com>
> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> > >
> > >http://books.google.co.in/books?id=p9PkFF3uq_8C
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Dilip and Dil Deka
> > ><dilipdeka at yahoo.com>wrote:
> > >
> > >>  Click on the link below. You will get some very interesting
> > information.
> > >>  Above all you will get an idea about Buranjis and the so called Ahom
> > >>  kingdom.
> > >>  Yasmin Saikia has done considerable research and put together
> > information
> > >>  that we all want to know.
> > >>  This link does not have all the pages of the book but one can buy the
> > >whole
> > >>  book.
> > >>  Dilip Deka
> > >>
> > >>  Fragmented Memories: Struggling to be Tai-Ahom in India - Google
> Books
> > >>  Result
> > >>  by Yasmin Saikia - 2004 - Social Science - 327 pages
> > >>  In Assam even today people talk about a buranji called Chakarepheti
> > >Buranji
> > >>  (The hooded ... past were removed by such drastic measures as burning
> > >>  buranjis. ...
> > >>  books.google.com/books?isbn=0822333732...
> > >>  _______________________________________________
> > >>  assam mailing list
> > >>  assam at assamnet.org
> > >>  http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >--
> > >Other things may change us, but we start and end with the family.
> > >
> > >
> > >------------------------------
> > >
> > >Message: 14
> > >Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 23:16:13 -0500
> > >From: "Alpana B.. Sarangapani" <absarangapani at hotmail.com>
> > >Subject: [Assam] Sanskrit and Assamese
> > >To: <assam at assamnet.org>
> > >Message-ID: <BLU127-W4651C1DAD96F1A5A58485DB3980 at phx.gbl>
> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> > >
> > >
> > >Here is a nice write-up on Dr. S. Ahmed, a PhD in Sanskrit from Gauhati
> > >University. He sounds like a knowledgable person when it comes to
> history,
> > >language, culture and real life, very interesting.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >http://www.assamtribune.com/dec2306/at07.html
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >"Another reason, he cites is Sanskrit could provide students with better
> > >grasp of history as almost all the ancient texts and inscriptions in
> India
> > >are written in that language. Even to know the Assamese language better,
> > or
> > >learn the roots of many words, Sanskrit is the language of choice, he
> > >claims."
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >It would be great if scholars like him also come and join Assam Net.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >Message: 15
> > >Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 23:17:03 -0500
> > >From: kamal deka <kjit.deka at gmail.com>
> > >Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
> > >To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
> > >    world    <assam at assamnet.org>
> > >Message-ID:
> > >    <7b43066c0903162117u1cacf170nf5d43b298c13937c at mail.gmail.com>
> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
> > >
> > >On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >>  Does S N Sarma refer to any proof or is it a conjecture? And at what
> > time
> > >>  frame did the name Asam came to be the defining name of the kingdom?
> > Will
> > >it
> > >>  be reasonable to surmise that it was much before the British came?
> > >>
> > >>  *Assam and other derivatives *
> > >>
> > >>  The earliest mention of "Assam" is found in the Bhagavat of
> Sankardeva,
> > >>  composed in the 15th and 16th centuries. The relevant stanza
> > >[*Srimandbhagavat,
> > >>  skandha 2, H Dattabaruah and Co., Nalbari, pp-38*] is (in [*
> > >>  http://www.aczoom.com/itrans/#itransencoding iTrans*] )
> > >>
> > >>  kiraTa kachhaari khaachi gaaro miri yavana ka~Nka govaala
> > >>  asama maluka dhobaa ye turuka kubaacha mlechchha chaNDaala
> > >>
> > >>  One of the first unambiguous references comes from Thomas Bowrey in
> > 1663
> > >>  about Mir Jumla's death: "They lost the best of Nabobs, the Kingdome
> of
> > >>  Acham, and, by consequence, many large privileges". [*Bowrey, Thomas,
> > "A
> > >>  Geographical Account of Countries around Bay of Bengal", ed Temple,
> R.
> > C.,
> > >>  Hakluyt Society's Publications*]
> > >>
> > >KJD
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  The Sanskritized form is a pure and unadulterated conjecture of
> modern
> > >>  times.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  At 5:46 PM -0500 3/16/09, kamal deka wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>  According to historian Satyendra Nath Sarma, [*Sarma, Satyendra Nath
> > >>>  (1976)
> > >>>  "Assamese Literature", Harrassowitz, Wiesbaden.*]
> > >>>
> > >>>  While the Shan invaders called themselves Tai, they came to be
> > referred
> > >to
> > >>>  as "?s?m", "?sam" and sometimes as "Acam" by the indigenous people
> of
> > the
> > >>>  country. The modern Assamese word "?hom" by which the Tai people are
> > >known
> > >>>  is derived from "?s?m" or "?sam". The epithet applied to the Shan
> > >>>  conquerors
> > >>>  was subsequently transferred to the country over which they ruled
> and
> > >thus
> > >>>  the name K?mar?pa was replaced by ?s?m, which ultimately took the
> > >>>
> > >>>  Sanskritized form "Asama", meaning "unequalled, peerless or uneven"
> > >>>  [*Banikanta
> > >>>  Kakati: "Assamese: Its Formation and Development", p2*]
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>  On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Dilip and Dil Deka <
> > dilipdeka at yahoo.com
> > >>>  >wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>  The debaters on this subject are looking at only two facets - the
> > >>>>  Tai-Ahom
> > >>>>  connection and the possible Sanskritization. There is a third one
> to
> > >>>>  look
> > >>>>  at. The Bodo-Kacharis have been in Assam longer than anyone else
> and
> > >>>>  their
> > >>>>  people are spread all over Assam.
> > >>>>  What did they call the land? Many rivers in Assam still have their
> > Bodo
> > >>>>  names.
> > >>>>  What did they call the Tais who came to Assam in the 13th century?
> > >>>>  Is there "xo" sound in Bodo language?
> > >>>>  It is very possible that some words in Bodo were at the root of
> > "Oxom",
> > >>>>  "Assam", "Asom" or whatever else. Please do not throw away Dr. A.
> > Guha
> > >>>>  or
> > >>>>  Baden Powell(is that the name?) yet.
> > >  >>>
> > >>>>  I don't know a word of Bodo language. Could someone who knows Bodo
> > >>>>  comment
> > >>>>  on the above?
> > >>>>  I did go to the website http://www.bodoland.org/language1.htm and
> > found
> > >>>>  some interesting words but not much that would help the debate.
> > >>>>  Dilip Deka
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>  ________________________________
> > >>>>  From: Rajen Barua <barua25 at hotmail.com>
> > >>>>  To: assamnet <assam at assamnet.org>
> > >>>>  Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 8:21:13 AM
> > >>>>  Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>  Why would Mr Wahid confront anybody?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>  What Prof Amalendu Gauha wrote about 'Ha-Sam' was not based on his
> > own
> > >>>>  research work. He simply borrowed the writing from Mr Baden Powell
> > even
> > >>>>  without quoting Mr Powell. I also wrote about the word 'Ha-Sam' in
> my
> > >>>>  article  but I quoted Mr Baden Powell. Also Prof Guha was writing
> > based
> > >>>>  on
> > >>>>  his communistic outlook, not much as history of the word Assam.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>  There are many ignorant educated people in Assam. There are again
> > some
> > >>>>  educated intellectuals with different agendas.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>  Let people read Mr. Wahid's writings and confront him if they have
> > any
> > >>>>  problem.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>  Rajen Barua
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>  > Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:03:37 -0500
> > >>>>  > From: kjit.deka at gmail.com
> > >>>>  > To: assam at assamnet.org
> > >>>>  > Subject: [Assam] About the name Assam
> > >>>>  >
> > >>>>  > I am wondering what prevents Mr.Saleh from confronting people
> like
> > >>>>  > Prof.Priyam Goswami of Gauhati University or Prof.Amalendu Guha
> > with
> > >>>>  his
> > >>>>  > newly-found Dutch document which will certainly make them
> > >>>>  laughter-evoking
> > >>>>  > buffoons for being so ignorant about Assam's history ?
> > >>>>  > KJD
> > >>>>  > _______________________________________________
> > >>>>  > assam mailing list
> > >>>>  > assam at assamnet.org
> > >>>>  > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
> > >>>>  _______________________________________________
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> > >>>>
> > >>>>  _______________________________________________
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> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >------------------------------
> > >
> > >Message: 16
> > >Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:12:30 +0530 (IST)
> > >From: Buljit Buragohain <buluassam at yahoo.co.in>
> > >Subject: [Assam] Web site of the "Adinor Sambad"
> > >To: assam at assamnet.org
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> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> > >
> > >?
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> > >
> > >http://www.adinorsambad.com/epaper.php
> > >
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