[Assam] [FriendsofAssamNE] RE: About the Name Assam

Wahid Saleh(GM) wahid.saleh at gmail.com
Thu Mar 12 03:13:19 PDT 2009 

Rajen,

 

Thanks for sharing your article  “”In your article you mentioned about
Glanius.

 



 

Till now almost all the historians thought that Glanius went to Assam. But
it was not Glanius who went to Assam. It was a Dutch sailor named Frans van
der Heiden who had to fight with the army of Mirju Mala. He kept a diary
which was first published in 1675.  It is very difficult to find out who
Glanius was. He translated three books from Dutch including the diary of
Frans van der Heiden. The English translation was published in 1682 (from
UK). In his translation he used first person and nowhere mentioned or
referred to the name of the original author Frans van de Heiden.  As most of
the historians had access to the English translation only, they took it for
granted that Glanius went to Assam.  I tried to find out about Glanius and
published an article. Here you will get some back ground information. A
mistake did slip in to this version of the article. I misspelt the name of
Dr. Surya Kumar Bhuyan as Dr. Surya Kanta Bhuyan.

 

It is certain that the name Assam existed before Mirju Mala invaded Assam
and before the English came to Assam. Otherwise Frans van der Heiden would
not be in a position to write about Assam and Assmers. Different Mughal
historians used the names Assam, Asham, Ascham, Acham and Ásám in their
writings." Asom" with an “o” in between was unknown to them. In particular,
the word Assam (Asham) is mentioned in the following publications: Abul
Fazal Allámi in his compilation of Akbarnama, a biographical account of
Akbar (1542 -1605) mentioned “Rajah of Asham”.

 

The name Assam existed when Frans van der Heiden wrote his diary in 1662.
To write about the place and its inhabitants he used the name of the State
as it was known at that time to the local people. Otherwise he would not
have used the name. 

So we should start asking the question when was the name of Assam changed
to?  In any case it is after 1662.

 

Wahid

 

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Van: FriendsofAssamNE at yahoogroups.com
[mailto:FriendsofAssamNE at yahoogroups.com] Namens Rajen Barua
Verzonden: maandag 9 maart 2009 13:40
Aan: assamnet
CC: FriendsofAssamNE at yahoogroups.com
Onderwerp: [FriendsofAssamNE] RE: [Assam] About the Name Assam

 

Friends
Looks like many people still think that Assam is an englished word of the
word Oxom. In fact pronounciation Asam (now a days written as Assam) is much
older than the Assamese word Oxom which is of later origin. One may read my
article attached.
Rajen Barua
 

  
> Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 21:10:59 -0600
> To: assam at assamnet.org
> From: cmahanta at charter.net
> Subject: Re: [Assam] About the Name Assam
> 
> > whereas we know for sure the local people at that time as now 
> >called the land "Oxom",
> 
> 
> 
> *** You do?
> 
> So much for the certitude of the omniscient!!
> 
> Did you know that the Ahom people, by and large, cannot pronounce the 
> 'xo' sound and pronounce it as 'ho' or 'kho'?
> 
> 
> 
>
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> At 2:02 PM -0700 3/8/09, Dilip and Dil Deka wrote:
> >".......an invention of an European, and thus not credible?" - I am 
> >not suggesting that at all. I am not Europhobic. :-)
> >
> >Let's take the British days - the maps and the official records 
> >meticulously prepared during that time called "Oxom" as "Assam" 
> >whereas we know for sure the local people at that time as now called 
> >the land "Oxom", the big difference being the sound of "x" versus 
> >"s". What credibility would you give to the authenticity of the name 
> >"Assam" used by the British?
> >In the same token, why would I accept "Asam" as written by a Dutch 
> >in 17th century as an authentic name? The Dutch, just like the 
> >British cannot pronounce "Oxom".
> >If you accept "Asam" as in Dutch map as the original name, when did 
> >it change to today's "Oxom" and who changed it?
> >
> >I still say "Assam" is anglicized and "Asam" is Hollandized. Boy! 
> >that sounds too much like Hollandaise sauce.
> >I am surprised there was no comment on the rest of my email.
> >Dilip
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >________________________________
> >From: Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net>
> >To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the 
> >world <assam at assamnet.org>; adhazarika at yahoo.com
> >Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2009 4:25:08 PM
> >Subject: Re: [Assam] About the Name Assam
> >
> >
> >> But I wouldn't use these books nor a book written in another
> >>European language (Dutch) to prove that >Assam is an indigenous word.
> >
> >
> >*** Why? Are you suggested the Dutch traveller who prepared the map where
> >Assam is recorded as "Asam" was likely an invention of an European,
> >and thus not credible?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >At 12:50 PM -0700 3/8/09, Dilip and Dil Deka wrote:
> >>Kamal,
> >>In today's parlance, you are absolutely correct. The local people
> >>call the land "Oxom" and, themselves "Oxomiya". When those words
> >>are written as "Assam" and "Assamese", it is an attempt to anglicize
> >>the locally used words.
> >>
> >>Now whether Oxom was derived from another word that was local to the
> >>area and non-Sanskrit in its origin is another issue.
> >>As we all know the region (at least the western part) was called
> >>Kamrupa in ancient literature. For the name Kamrupa to change to
> >>Oxom, it is almost impossible. There is no resemblance between the
> >>two words. So the natural assumption would be that the
> >>transformation to Oxom did not happen with the so called Hindu
> >>settlers of Assam from the west. It is more likely it happened with
> > >the domination of Assam by the Ahoms, who for the first time in a
> >>long time brought the people of the region under one rule through
> >>political acumen.
> >>
> >>I have in my possession books written/compiled by British officers
> >>where the word Assam is used. But I wouldn't use these books nor a
> >>book written in another European language (Dutch) to prove that
> >>Assam is an indigenous word. There needs to be more research done by
> >>Xahitya Xobha, digging into the Buranjis of the Ahoms and whatever
> >>remains of the Ahom language.
> >>
> >>I am told by my Ahom friends that many Buranjis were burnt during
> >>the waning years of Ahom rule. I am also told many Buranjis are
> >>still available in the Ahom villages kept as family heirloom. Does
> >>anyone know how to read and decipher these tomes?
> >>Isn't there a scholar in all of Assam who could trace through the
> >>transformation of Ahom language from 1228 to the British days
> >>to see if the name Oxom was coined by the Ahoms to describe their
kingdom?
> >>
> >>When I am on a roll, let me also ask how the Shans from Burma
> >>renamed themselves as Ahoms and when it happened.
> >>If all of this is known to some netter, please publish it, so that
> > >some of us not exposed to recent findings in Assam can learn and
> >>stop arguing over a name.
> >>
> >>Dilip Deka
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>________________________________
> >>From: kamal deka <kjit.deka at gmail.com>
> >>To: adhazarika at yahoo.com; A Mailing list for people interested in
> >>Assam from around the world <assam at assamnet.org>
> >>Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2009 10:23:39 AM
> >>Subject: Re: [Assam] About the Name Assam
> >>
> >>In my humble view,the very word " Assam" is an Anglicised one.As an
> >>adjective," Assamese " pertains to the characteristic of the people of
> >>Assam and their culture..As a noun,it means the native of Assam or the
> >>language of Assam.
> >>In view of the above fact.Assam Sahitya Sabha may not be in error.
> >>Kamal
> >>
> >>On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 9:47 PM, Ajoy Hazarika <adhazarika at yahoo.com>
wrote:
> >>
> >>> Dear Oxom Xahityo Xobha:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I agree with Chandan Mahanta. If you do not know anything about it,
> >>> an article written by H. Borgohain. I could not find the article,
> >>> otherwise I could have forwarded to you.
> >>>
> >>> Hi Chandan, Rajen, if you have that article please forward that to .
Oxom
> >>> Xahityo Xobha
> >>> Oxom Xahityo Xobha. It will also help if Oxom Xahityo Xobha study
> >>> the Bodo language. There are other historical facts. Chandan and Rajen
> >>> can help.
> >>>
> >>> A. D. Hazarika
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --- On Mon, 3/2/09, Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:
> >>> From: Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net>
> >>> Subject: [Assam] About the Name Assam
> >>> To: info at axomxahityaxobha.org
> >>> Cc: assam at assamnet.org
> >>> Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 9:05 PM
> >>>
> >>> Dear Oxom Xahityo Xobha:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> >In 1917 the Asom Sahitya Sabha was formed as a
> >>> >guardian of the Assamese society and the forum for the
> >> > >development of Assamese language and literature.
> >>> >The word Assamese is an English one, built on the same
> >>> >principle as Cingalese, Canarese, etc. It is based on the
> >>> >English word Assam by which the tract consisting of the
> >>> >Brahmaputra valley is known.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> *** It is pretty sad that you don't know the origins of the name
> >>> Assam, that you claim is an English name.
> >>>
> >>> It is such display of ignorance of our history and an absence of
> >>> intellectual curiosity to know what it truly is, that makes the likes
> >>> of Oxom Xahityo Xobha irrelevant to our cultural heritage
> >>>
> >>> Sondon Mohonto
> >>>
> >>> USA
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