[Assam] ULFA : Demand for full autonomy of Assam/3
kamal deka
kjit.deka at gmail.com
Sun Mar 29 11:58:20 PDT 2009
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> It has been a great pleasure for me to know that our very dear Sondonkai
> is a master gardener.Here is an excerpt from a piece,written by Kalyanda ( K
> Dutta-choudhury of California) that appeared in yesterday's on-line edition
> of The Sentinel. " Chandan Mahanta, an architect living in St. Louis, is a
> gardener supremo. He is an expert in composting using grass and vegetable
> peelings."
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Congratulation.Just wanted to share the news with you all.
Coming back to the allien issue,let me reiterate once again that *it is
also one of the bounden duties of the state Government to tightly secure its
borders.Keep in mind that the western border between Punjab and Pakistan is
completely secured.If the state government itself turns a Nelson's eye to
its own problems,how on earth can anyone anticipate help from others?The
Hindi adage" Apna hi sikka khota"can be applied to our politicians!*
KJD
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> *** Being the strict constitutionalist you are--as demonstrated in your
> recent posts as well as from the past, I am surprised that you hold both
> the Central and State govts. equally responsible for securing the borders.
> Is border protection in the State List? Or is it in the Central List?
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> Also, responsibility must be backed up with resources. Does the state have
> the resources to deliver on this responsibility that you assigned to it?
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> We will get into the ability to perform the constitutional duties, even
> with the resources and the authorities, later. That is different issue.
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> But we hope you will tell us clearly why you hold both the sate and the
> Center equally responsible.
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> Without the benefit of that,we
>> might as well forget everything else.In short,everything else is a
>> moot.Wouldn't it be an otiose undertaking to expect any govt.to act
>> independently or do anything worth the name, when the same does not even
>> recognize that there exists a serious problem?
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> *** Good question and a fair one. So has Dilli acknowledged the problem?
> If yes, then what has it done?
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> And If the bosses do not acknowledge it, how do expect it to be
> acknowledged by its stooges at Dispur whose existence is entirely under the
> control if its masters at Dilli. Or do YOU believe that the state govt. is
> able to chart an independent course under the OPERATIVE SYSTEM ? If you do,
> will you explain how? THAT, will be contributing hugely towards educating
> us as well as building YOUR
> credibility on the matter.
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> Is there any Assamese citizen,whose opinion needs to be built in regard to
>> the presence of Bangladeshis in Himalayan proportion? I really wonder!
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> *** You hardly need to wonder, because by all accounts, and credibly too,
> there are large numbers of B'deshis in Assam. Question you ought to be
> wondering about it then is WHY does none do anything about it?
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> We know how much you are devoted to the rule of law of a constitutional
> democracy and your faith in Indian democracy and the constitution. So, IF
> the people of the state is DISSATISFIED with the performance of its
> government, would they NOT have voted it out in this 'functioning democracy'
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> *** Obviously things don't add up. Here is huge disconnect. Would you care
> to sort it out ? And when you do, we just might stumble into solution
> scenarios :-).
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> Iti,
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> so-kai
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>> On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 8:51 PM, Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >What could anyone expect from a ruling govt.,who choose remain
>>>
>>>> recalcitrant
>>>> in their opinion that there are no Bangladeshis in Assam!!?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> *** Can these 'ruling govts' of Assam REALLY act independently, looking
>>> after Assam's interests? Never mind WHAT political party/parties it is
>>> composed of.
>>>
>>> *** If YES, then the comment
>>> "---Why then blame others?" might mean something.
>>>
>>> But if NOT, then it has no meaning, does it?
>>>
>>> So, what is the REALITY here? Can an Assam govt. act independently ?
>>> ANY
>>> govt. ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> At 5:43 PM -0500 3/27/09, kamal deka wrote:
>>>
>>> Deja vu again! It brings me back to the same topic called " only in
>>>> Assam"
>>>> Where on earth could a person ask for a solution of a problem when the
>>>> person himself refuses to recognise the existence of such problem?
>>>> Yes,it could happen.It could happen only in Assam.
>>>> A number of steps can be taken to bring the illegal infiltration down
>>>> to
>>>> the
>>>> minimum.Issuance of multi-purpose identity cards/fencing the
>>>> borders/devising efficient ways and means of detection of illegals--so
>>>> on
>>>> and so forth.
>>>> What could anyone expect from a ruling govt.,who choose remain
>>>>
>>> >> recalcitrant
>>
>>> in their opinion that there are no Bangladeshis in Assam!!? Why then
>>>> blame
>>>> others?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 8:19 AM, Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So the big questions are ????
>>>>>
>>>>> Might I suggest that they are:
>>>>>
>>>>> A. HOW to reduce the inflow, if not stop it altogether?
>>>>>
>>>>> B. Distributing those already in to other parts of the country that
>>>>> claims Assam as its colony ? Like
>>>>> How the British took Indians to Kenya and to Fiji.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So where are the righteous Indianistas clamoring for it to be DONE?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> At 10:21 PM -0500 3/26/09, kamal deka wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The crux of the matter is unabated massive infiltration.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Alright,those who have already made their way illegally into Assam
>>>>>> should
>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> not be displaced.But why must Assam alone shoulder the burden of
>>
>>> harbouring
>>>>>> tens of thousands of illegal Bangladeshis?Why can't they be
>>>>>> distributed
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> proportionate basis to other states?
>>>>>> In the light of ongoing influx,Is the solution entailing " learn to
>>>>>> live"
>>>>>> a defensible one ? " Learn to live with them" for how long?Till the
>>>>>> tipping
>>>>>> point is reached?
>>>>>> For those who are unfamiliar with the idiom, the tipping point means
>>>>>> any
>>>>>> small change may not have any effect until critical mass is
>>>>>> formed.Any
>>>>>> change thereafter,however small,will have a dramatic effect.
>>>>>> KJD
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Alpana B. Sarangapani <
>>>>>> absarangapani at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree completely that nobody should be displaced. But new influx
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> needs
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> be stopped.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As long as Kashmir like situation does not occur in Assam, everybody
>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>> live together happily (ever after). I really mean that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 20:22:57 -0700
>>>>>>> > From: dilipdeka at yahoo.com
>>>>>>> > To: assam at assamnet.org
>>>>>>> > Subject: Re: [Assam] ULFA : Demand for full autonomy of Assam/3
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > That is true. But the first reality is whether (we) recognize that
>>>>>>> B'deshis
>>>>>>> > coming into Assam :
>>>>>>> > (a) are illegal YES
>>>>>>> > (b) Should they be sent back? YES BUT CAN YOU?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>> > (c) Are we comfortable having them around: because they only
>>>>>>
>>>>> occupy
>>>>
>>>> char
>>>>>
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> > useless land (where no Assamese will tread), and only take up jobs
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>> > Assamese will do? PROBABLY NOT TODAY, TOMORROW IS ANOTHER
>>>>>>> ISSUE.
>>>>>>> > (d) Should our "human' sensitivities go to the extent of
>>>>>>> displacing
>>>>>>> Assamese
>>>>>>> > from their chars, to make sure our illegal guests are comfy?
>>>>>>> ABSOLUTELY
>>>>>>> NOT. ARE THERE ASSAMESE SETTLERS ON CHARS? BANGLADESHIS ON THEIR
>>>>>>> ARRIVAL
>>>>>>> > DO NOT DISPLACE LOCAL PEOPLE. THEY OCCUPY GOVT LAND. WHEN THEY
>>>>>>> SAVE
>>>>>>> MONEY
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>> THROUGH HARD WORK, THEY LOOK FOR BETTER PROPERTY AND THE
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> > LOCALS SELL TO THEM.
>>>>>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > ________________________________
>>>>>>> > From: Ram Sarangapani <assamrs at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> > To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
>>>>>>> world <
>>>>>>> assam at assamnet.org>
>>>>>>> > Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 10:09:43 PM
>>>>>>> > Subject: Re: [Assam] ULFA : Demand for full autonomy of Assam/3
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > >It is not a question of right or wrong anymore. It is agreed that
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>> > not have the right to encroach.
>>>>>>> > >It is about the reality. How does Assam and the Assamese people
>>>>>>> survive
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> > the reality of massive settlement of Bangladeshis?
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > That is true. But the first reality is whether (we) recognize that
>>>>>>> B'deshis
>>>>>>> > coming into Assam :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > (a) are illegal
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > (b) Should they be sent back?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > (c) Are we comfortable having them around: because they only
>>>>>>> occupy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> char
>>
>>> and
>>>>>>> > useless land (where no Assamese will tread), and only take up jobs
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>> > Assamese will do?
>>>>>>> > (d) Should our "human' sensitivities go to the extent of
>>>>>>> displacing
>>>>>>> Assamese
>>>>>>> > from their chars, to make sure our illegal guests are comfy?
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > >Are you suggesting that the settlers should be terrorized so that
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> go
>>>>>>> > back to Bangladesh?
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > In fact, if Assamese are not careful, people may be terrorized,
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>> > probably be B'Deshis getting rid of Assamese from Assam.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > --Ram
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 9:52 PM, Dilip and Dil Deka <
>>>>>>> dilipdeka at yahoo.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > >wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > Let me butt in.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> > > It is not a question of right or wrong anymore. It is
>> agreed that
>>
>>> they
>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>> > > not have the right to encroach.
>>>>>>> > > It is about the reality. How does Assam and the Assamese people
>>>>>>> survive
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> > > the reality of massive settlement of Bangladeshis?
>>>>>>> > > Are you suggesting that the settlers should be terrorized so
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> go
>>>>>>> > > back to Bangladesh?
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > ________________________________
>>>>>>> > > From: kamal deka <kjit.deka at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> > > To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> world
>>>>>>> > > <assam at assamnet..org>
>>>>>>> > > Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 9:43:33 PM
>>>>>>> > > Subject: Re: [Assam] ULFA : Demand for full autonomy of Assam/3
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > So, you are trying to justify that since bangladeshis are
>>>>>>> landless
>>>>>>> > > farmers,they have the the inherent right to cross the border and
>>>>>>> grab
>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>> > > land.Is there any other explanation? Do tell.
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 9:28 PM, Chan Mahanta <
>>>>>>> cmahanta at charter.net
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > > wrote:
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > > At 9:21 PM -0500 3/22/09, kamal deka wrote:
>>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>>> > > >> Here is what you wrote:
>>>>>>> > > >>
>>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>>> > > > *** Really? Omigosh!!!
>>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>>> > > > But wait--does that mean I made the argument attributed to me:
>>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>>> > > > " the state of Assam is
>>>>>>> > > >> obligated to allow them to move freely across the border and
>>>>>>> provide
>>>>>>> > > them
>>>>>>> > > >> with the land for cultivation. ?
>>>>>>> > > >>
>>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>>> > > > *** I was explaining WHY B'deshis leave their own homeland to
>>>>>>> unwelcome
>>>>>>> > > > places, like Assam. It was NOT I who asked the question
>>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>> > > > ",what does Assam have so much in abundance to render her
>>>>>> so
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> generous?"
>>>>>
>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>>> > > > Does that ring a bell?
>>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>>> > > >
>>>>>>> > > >>
>>>>>>> > > >>
>>>>>>> > > >>> "" B'deshis are overcrowded. Most of them are agrarian,
>>>>>>> subsistence
>>>>>>> > > >>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>> farmers. To survive they need land. But not enough of it
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> > > >>>> everyone. So they come into Assam and the contiguous
>>>>>>> regions,
>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>> > > >>>> there
>>>>>>> > > >>>> still is public land where they can eke out a living.
>>>>>>> Often
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>> is
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> > > land
>>>>>
>>>>>> > > >>>> others won't settle in, like the 'chars', or other
>>>>>>> perennial
>>>>>>> flood
>>>>>>> > > >>>> plains.
>>>>>>> > > >>>> OR inaccessible mountains. Whatever."
>>>>>>> > > >>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>
>>>>>>> > > >> KJD
>>>>>>> > > >>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>> *** Where or when did I make that statement is the big
>>>>>>> question.
>>>>>>> > > Perhaps
>>>>>>> > > >>> you will point that out!
>>>>>>> > > >>>
>>>>>>> > > >>> *** Anyway, we are waiting with bated breath to hear how
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> expect
>>>>>>> > > the
>>>>>>> > > >>> problem to be resolved :-).
>>>>>>> > > >>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> > > >>>
>>
>>> > > >>> At 7:41 PM -0500 3/22/09, kamal deka wrote:
>>>>>>> > > >>>
>>>>>>> > > >>> Wunderbar! Congratulation! You have just hammered out a
>>>>>>> permanent
>>>>>>> > > >>>> solution
>>>>>>> > > >>>> to this vexing problem.Full marks for the
>>>>>>> explanation.Since,most
>>>>>>> > > >>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>> >> Bangaladeshis are rural-based landless farmers,the state
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> Assam
>>>>>>> > > is
>>>>>>> > > >>
>>>>>>> > > >>> obligated to allow them to move freely across the border
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> provide
>>>>>>> > > >>>> them
>>>>>>> > > >>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>> >> with the land for cultivation.
>>>>>>> > > >>
>>>>>>> > > >>> Next step----do away with the Immigration service from the
>>>>>>> face
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> > > this
>>>>>>> > > >>>> earth!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > > >>>> I am certainly left speechless.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>
>>
>>> > > >>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>> On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 6:36 PM, Chan Mahanta <
>>>>>>> cmahanta at charter.net>
>>>>>>> > > >>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> > > >>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>> At 4:43 PM -0500 3/22/09, kamal deka wrote:
>>>>>>> > > >>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>> >> T he theory of " privation of Bangadeshis" propounded
>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> > > really
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>> tops
>>>>>>> > > >>>> >> my
>>>>>>> > > >>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>> hilarity chart.Or was it an attempt on your part to slip a
>>>>>>> levity
>>>>>>> > > into
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>> the
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>> discussion!
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>> **** Glad I could provide something where you could find
>>>>>>> humor.
>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>> > > >>>>> tenor
>>>>>>> > > >>>>> was getting awfully strident.
>>>>>>> > > >>>>> But I was entirely serious. People do not stream into
>>>>>>> unwelcome
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > > >>>>> environments unless there is an overwhelming need.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> B'deshis
>>>>>> are
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > > >>>>> overcrowded. Most of them are agrarian, subsistence
>>>>>> farmers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To
>>>>>>> > > >>>>> survive
>>>>>>> > > >>>>> they
>>>>>>> > > >>>>> need land. But not enough of it is there for everyone. So
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> come
>>>>>>> > > >>>>> into
>>>>>>> > > >>>>> Assam and the contiguous regions, because there still is
>>>>>>> public
>>>>>>> land
>>>>>>> > > >>>>> where
>>>>>>> > > >>>>> they can eke out a living. Often it is land others won't
>>>>>>> settle
>>>>>>> in,
>>>>>>> > > >>>>> like
>>>>>>> > > >>>>> the
>>>>>>> > > >>>>> 'chars', or other perennial flood plains. OR inaccessible
>>>>>>> mountains.
>>>>>>> > > >>>>> Whatever.
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>> B'deshi privation is not a THEORY. It is a fact. And I
>>>>>>> won't
>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>> > > fun
>>>>>>> > > >>>>> of
>>>>>>> > > >>>>> human beings struggling to survive, even though they may
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>> > > >>>>> people.
>>>>>>> > > >>>>> My first and foremost identity is the human one, like it
>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> > > for
>>>>>>> > > >>>>> all
>>>>>>> > > >>>>> of us. The world would be a better place when it is so..
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>> >The old saying ' an enemy within home is more
>>>>>>> treacherous
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>> and
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>> pernicious
>>>>>
>>>>>> > > >>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>> than the one without" can be applied appropiately to our
>>>>>>> present-day
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>> politicians.Why then blame others?
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>
>>>>>>> > > >>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>> **** OK, fair enough. So how are you planning or hoping
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>> rid
>>>>>>> > > of
>>>>>>> > > >>>>> the
>>>>>>> > > >>>>> enemy -within and replace it with whom you can find
>>>>>>> common
>>>>>>> cause?
>>>>>>> > > >>>>> Where
>>>>>>> > > >>>>> does
>>>>>>> > > >>>>> the enemy-within gets its power from?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>> > > >>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> > > >>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>> **** I looked for the solution, recommendations. But
>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> none.
>>>>>>> > > >>>>> Is
>>>>>>> > > >>>>> it
>>>>>>> > > >>>>> because you cannot imagine it or do you want somebody
>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> find
>>>>>>> > > it
>>>>>>> > > >>>>> for
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> > > >>>>> you :-)?
>>
>>> > > >>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>> Why on earth should anyone expect an Assamese to burn
>>>>>>> midnight
>>>>>>> oil
>>>>>>> > > >>>>> thinking
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>> about " privation of Bangadeshis",while he himself deals
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>> human
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>> >>>> vagaries for years?
>>>>>>> > > >>
>>>>>>> > > >>> What can one expect from the state govt.whose very chief
>>>>>>> minister
>>>>>>> (
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>> read
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>> Tarun Gogoi ) once said that the Congress is opposed to
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> > > harassing
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>> of
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>> genuine Indian citizens in the name of scrapping the
>>>>>>> IMDT
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> Act,
>>
>>> and
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>> that
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>> the
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>> detection of foreigners should not be left to the whims
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> police
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>> >> officers.
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>> Quite right,Mr.Chief minister-it should be left to the
>>>>>>> machinations
>>>>>>> > > of
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>> vote-bank politicians!!! Yet, after a couple of
>>>>>>> decades,the
>>>>>>> apex
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>> court
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>> of
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>> India had flushed that piece of Black legislation down
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> commode
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>> because
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>> it was not Constitutional.
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>> The old saying ' an enemy within home is more
>>>>>>> treacherous
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>> pernicious
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>> than the one without" can be applied appropiately to our
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > > present-day
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > > >>>>>> politicians.Why then blame others?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>> Have the Americans been able to stem the flow illegal
>>>>>>> immigrants?
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>> No,they
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>> haven't.But they,unlike us,don't live in a
>>>>>>> cloud-cuckoo-
>>>>>>> land.The
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>> Americans
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>> are not sitting idly thinking that the problem will
>>>>>>> vamoose
>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>> > > itself
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>> one
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>> >> fine day.
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>> WHERE ARE RAJEN KOKAIDEW/SALEH KOKADEW/SARANGAPANI? WHAT'S
>>>>>>> YOUR
>>>>>>> TAKE
>>>>>>> > > ON
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>> THIS?
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>> Kamal
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>> On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Chan Mahanta <
>>>>>>> > > cmahanta at charter.net>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > > >>>>>> At 9:31 AM -0500 3/22/09, kamal deka wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> One should stuff that " privation of Bangladeshis"
>>>>>>> argument
>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> sun
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> does not shine.
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> *** OK , so it be placed! Question then would be if
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> come to
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Assam
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> for its generosity? Is that it?
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Is it a believable proposition? I do realize however
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> > > a
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> hyperbole train that has gone a couple of stations too
>>>>>>> far
>>>>>>> :-).
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> I don't yet comprehend the issue at work here.One,what
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> meaning of "illegal"?I had thought that it was
>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> sanctioned
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> the laws of any sovereign state.Two,are we supposed to
>>>>>>> sit
>>>>>>> back
>>>>>>> > > and
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> twiddle
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> our thumbs while the illegals outnumber us?
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> > > >>>>>>>> *** No that is not the ONLY interpretation of
>> the notion
>>
>>> I
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>> put
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>> forth.
>>>>>
>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> But
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> let us tackle the question:
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> "--are we supposed to sit back and twiddle our thumbs
>>>>>>> while
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> illegals
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> outnumber us? "
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Since I don't have a neat little answer like 'round
>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> kick-them
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > out' or anything akin to that, what IS your solution?
>>>>>>> What
>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>> > > you
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>> propose
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>> or recommend be done? And WHY is it not being done the
>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>> > > as
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> > > >>>>>>> the
>>
>>> > > >>>>>>> right way ? Or WHO do you think or expect WILL do it
>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>> way?
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> To day,my mother,brother and I
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> occupy a house in a plot of land.Tomorrow,if Martians
>>>>>>> took
>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>> > > the
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> >> remaining part of the land,we will be living in
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> > > compressed
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> space.Why
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>> should anyone allow that to happen?
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> *** Very touching argument no doubt. Even though I
>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> pretend
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> to be left speechless, dare I mention that the law of
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> land
>>>>>>> > > ought
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> allow such trespass and confiscation of your ancestral
>>>>>>> property?
>>>>>>> > > Or
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> too much to ask from the mighty Indian democracy as
>>>>>>> practised
>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>> > > its
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>> >>>>> minions
>>>>>>> > > >>
>>>>>>> > > >>> in Assam?
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Obviously the problem is a tad bit more complicated,
>>>>>>> isn't
>>>>>>> it?
>>>>>>> So
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> question the thinking person must raise is HOW to
>>>>>>> control
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> influx,
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> so
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> that the immigrants cannot take over the land, or
>>>>>>> become
>>>>>>> part
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> voting
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> citizenry, while still being able to come and perform
>>>>>>> seasonal
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> otherwise
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> limited time span services for which there IS a DEMAND?
>>>>>>> For
>>>>>>> IF
>>>>>>> > > there
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> no
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> such demand, the rate of migration would not be as
>>>>>>> strong.
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Indian govt. knows it too, as do its minions in Assam.
>>>>>>> But
>>>>>>> WHAT
>>>>>>> > > have
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>> >>>>> they
>>>>>>> > > >>
>>>>>>> > > >>> done about it? Can anyone in his right mind even hold
>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> remote
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> hope
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> they will, if they had not lifted a finger in all these
>>>>>>> decades?
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> That is WHY Assam needs independence--or at least a
>>>>>>> full
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > autonomy,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> put
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> in place a SUSTAINABLE system that will stanch the
>>>>>>> flow,
>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> though
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> we
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> know it cannot be entirely stopped.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Of course, there must be some checks and balances.It is
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> the
>>
>>> > > bounden
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> duty
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> the state govt.to ferret out such infiltrators.If
>>>>>>> ration
>>>>>>> cards
>>>>>>> > > and
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> voters
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> identity cards can be issued to those illegal aliens
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> enrich
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> vote-bank,why can't they issue multi-purpose identity
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>> cards
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>> especially
>>>>>
>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> >>>> in
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>> the border regions?
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Assam is already overpopulated,can she afford added
>>>>>>> burdens
>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>
>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> *** Why don't you tell us ? And see above.
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> By the way,the Americans had the harshest immigration
>>>>>>> policy
>>>>>>> till
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> 1962.
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> *** And has it stemmed the influx of illegal
>>>>>>> immigrants?
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Chan Mahanta <
>>>>>>> > > cmahanta at charter.net
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> At 8:09 PM -0500 3/21/09, kamal deka wrote:
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> To compare Assam with the USA as far as immigration
>>>>>>> issue
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> concerned,will
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> be as good as comparing apples with oysters..
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> *** Not at all!
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> The failure on part of the USA
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> to curb the influx of illegals does not mean that
>>>>>>> Assam
>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> allow
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Bangladeshis to cross the border freely till the
>>>>>>> indigenous
>>>>>>> > > people
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> completely outnumbered.If the vast, resourceful and
>>>>>>> thinly
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> populated
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> countries like the USA and Australia can have
>>>>>>> stringent
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> immigration
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> laws,
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> *** Of course they can and they do have stringent
>>>>>>> immigration
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> laws.
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> But
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> then why is there such a huge illegal immigration
>>>>>>> problem
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> USA?
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Australia is different--the oceans surrounding it
>>>>>>> makes
>>>>>>> illegal
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> border
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > crossing difficult .
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> what does Assam have so much in abundance to render
>>>>>>> her
>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> generous?
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> **** It is not about Assam's abundance but B'Desh's
>>>>>>> privation.
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> That
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> simple.
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Assam and the contiguous
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> region still has land and that is a huge
>> incentive to
>>
>>> migrate
>>>>>>> > > for
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>> > > >>>>>>>>> have none.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> There must be checks and balances.
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> **** Tell us about it. So how has India performed on
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > delivering
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> checks and balances so far?
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> >>
>>
>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Dilip and Dil Deka <
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> dilipdeka at yahoo.com
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> >wrote:
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> For whatever it is worth, this letter from Chandan
>>>>>>> Mahanta
>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>> > > my
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> support..
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> I have been trying to convey the same message over
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> years.
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> * Holding onto the guns with a
>>>>>>> sullen
>>>>>>> face
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> > > >> not talking
>>>>>>> > > >>
>>>>>>> > > >>> to
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> anyone
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> including the people in Assam will not result in a
>>>>>>> solution.
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Persistent
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >>> discussion and deliberation are the only
>>>>>>> viable
>>>>>>> paths.
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> * It is impossible to seal a border where
>>>>>>> natural
>>>>>>> > > barriers
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> exist. Assam will have to learn to live with the
>>>>>>> Bangladeshi
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> problem
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> even if
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> >>>> Assam becomes autonomous or a sovereign
>>>>>>> country.
>>>>>>> > > >>
>>>>>>> > > >>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> From: Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>> around
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> world
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> assam at assamnet.org>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Cc: ulfa.protalk at gmail.com
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 8:34:21 AM
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Assam] ULFA : Demand for full
>>>>>>> autonomy
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> > > Assam/3
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Dear Friends:
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> During the past several years, we here in assamnet
>>>>>>> debated
>>>>>>> > > over
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> over again, your movement and your struggles for an
>>>>>>> > > independent
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Assam. Over the years it became abundantly clear
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> most
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> our friends here in this forum, in spite of their
>>>>>>> training,
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> education
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> and accomplishments, are quite uninformed about
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> reasons
>>>>>>> > > for
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> taking to arms in pursuit of independence for
>>>>>>> Assam.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >We the pro-talk group
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >temporarily suspending the armed struggle &
>>>>>>> strongly
>>>>>>> > > advocating
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> demand
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >democratic process to bring a peaceful and
>>>>>>> political
>>>>>>> solution
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >Assam-India's conflict and clashes between the
>>>>>> ethnic
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> groups
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> build
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>> up
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>> >a peaceful and prosperous Assam along with a united
>>>>>>> powerful
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> India.
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> **** Here it is important for you to explain why
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>> > > Indian
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> democracy has not performed , how your successive
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> 'democratically'
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> elected governments were neither responsive nor
>>>>>>> able
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>> > > respond
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>
>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> your needs that ultimately led you to give up on
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > promise
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > > of
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Indian democracy and finally, out of desperation ,
>>>>>>> led
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> taking
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> to arms.
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Why it is important to explain is that MOST of our
>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> quite
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> ignorant of these issues. The idea is to generate
>>>>>>> awareness
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> among
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>> > the population and to mobilize INFORMED public
>>>>>>> opinion.
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> I realize it is a lot of work. But there is no
>>>>>>> short-cut
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> **** You wrote about "temporarily suspending the
>>>>>>> armed
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> struggle--".
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Does that mean that you might
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> return to armed struggle? If so, should you not
>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>> explain
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> under
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> what circumstances you may consider resorting to
>>>>>>> armed
>>>>>>> > > struggle?
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> That should send a signal to GoI and GoA that you
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> serious
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> your wish to attempt to forge a political solution,
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> > > is
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > frustrated or resisted by the governments in
>>>>>>> power,
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> may
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> return to the armed struggle, which, by all
>>>>>>> indications
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> Assam ( the thinking ones anyway) do not want.
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Not that I am one who believes in threatening
>>>>>>> anyone
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> start a negotiation for attaining a political
>>>>>>> solution
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> > > long
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> enduring conflict. But considering the history of
>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> adversaries'
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> sincerity and their ability or willingness to
>>>>>>> effect
>>>>>>> political
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> administrative reforms that are direly needed in
>>>>>>> Assam
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> surrounding region, you have little
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> leverage
>>
>>> left to
>>>>>>> > > >> engage them
>>>>>>> > > >>
>>>>>>> > > >>> in
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> serious dialogue, other than a concern for a
>>>>>>> resumption
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> violence,
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >>> however feeble now.
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> The only hope for something positive and constructive
>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>> be an
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> outpouring of public opinion. That could be effected
>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> clearly
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> explain what you see as the problems and how they
>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> resolved
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> by what you propose.
>>
>>>
>>>>>>> >>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> > > >>
>>>>>>> > > >>> As you have already noticed right in this forum, there
>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> who will opposed anything that they perceive as
>>>>>>> reducing
>>>>>>> > > Indian
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> controls over Assam's future, including
>>>>>>> contradicting
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > their
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > > own
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> loudly proclaimed and roundly repeated positions.
>>>>>>> And
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> the tips of the icebergs of the
>>>>>>> establishment
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> Assam,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> something you
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>> must be well aware of.
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Therefore it is of critical importance for you to :
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> A: Clearly spell out what you see as problems,
>>>>>>> item
>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>> item.
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> B: Explain how what you propose will help resolve
>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > > >>>>>> You must do so in simple language, understandable by
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ordinary
>>>>>>> > > people
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> ( avoid the jargon of professionals). And then go
>>>>>>> disseminate
>>>>>>> > > it
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> among the populace. Ultimately it is a matter of
>>>>>>> persuasion.
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> One thing you must be realistic about is the issue
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Bangladeshis
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Assam: It is not something you, or your
>>>>>>> ex-comrades-in-arms
>>>>>>> > > who
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> still fighting or the government of Assam, never
>>>>>>> mind
>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> > > in
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> power
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> on a given day; the might of the Indian armed
>>>>>>> forces
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> entire population of Assam unified to resist it
>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> able
>>>>>>> > > to
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> eradicate. It is much too complex an issue, the
>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> the most powerful nation on earth, the USA, has not
>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>> able
>>>>>>> > > to
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> resolve. Ultimately we cannot and must not forget
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> > > human
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> beings, we cannot just wish those others away who
>>>>>>> happen
>>>>>>> to be
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> different from us but who want to live too, even if
>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> encroaching
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>> land whose boundaries we created or imagined.
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> > > >>>>>> If you dwell on this as the primary focus of
>> your aims
>>
>>> for
>>>>>>> Assam,
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> are doomed at the outset. I realize it is an easy
>>>>>>> issue
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> generate
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> public ire with, but it is a recipe for sure
>>>>>>> failure.
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> You must focus on issues that are very important
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>> > > have
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> achievable solutions..
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Feel free to call on me if I can be of any
>>>>>>> assistance.
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> am no
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> expert, but I have tried to understand what has
>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> what led you to take up arms and what can be done
>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> to
>>
>>> end
>>>>>>> > > it.
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> More later..
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>> Chandan Mahanta
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> At 10:59 AM +0530 3/7/09, ULFA Pro-talk wrote:
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >Dear Friends,
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >In the beginning, we convey our heartiest
>>>>>>> revolutionary
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> greetings
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >members of Assamnet. We, the members of ULFA (
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>> Pro-talk )
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> > > held
>>>>>
>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> meeting
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >15th December'2008 and unanimously agreed to give
>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> > > demand
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >sovereign state of Assam and demand for full
>>>>>> autonomy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> within
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> framework
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >of Indian constitution, through a democratic and
>>>>>>> non-violent
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> process.
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> We
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >welcome discussion from all the Assamese people
>>>>>>> residing
>>>>>>> > > across
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> > > >>
>>>>>>> > > >>> globe
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >the demand for Full Autonomy of Assam under the
>>>>>>> framework
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Indian
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >constitution. We are attaching herewith the
>>>>>>> 'Charter
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Demands'
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> submitted
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> >to the Government of Indi. Also, we are attaching
>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>> > > Menifesto
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> >information of all members of Assamnet. Please log
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >www.sandhikhyan.orgfor updates.
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >Looking forward for constructive discussion and
>>>>>>> petronisation
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> > > >>
>>>>>>> > > >>> burning
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >issues of Assam from all the members of Assamnet.
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >Regards,
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >Jiten Dutta
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >
>>
>>> ...
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