[Assam] ULFA no longer a force to be reckoned with, IB tells Centre - Sentinel
Chan Mahanta
cmahanta at gmail.com
Thu Jun 10 05:36:14 PDT 2010
On Jun 10, 2010, at 6:46 AM, Jyotirmoy Sharma wrote:
> God bless India and Indians if India, Pak and Bangladesh form a
> federation.
**** They will indeed be blessed. As thinking people, we ought to set
our
sights high and not be guided by our baser instincts. We cannot on the
one hand sing the praises of a shrinking world and on the other
attempt to
barricade ourselves into cocoons with our prejudices.
Having said that, I will advocate sustainable means for a gradual change
and not advocate anarchy. A sudden opening of borders will cause
anarchy. However, mutually agreed upon ways to allow travel across
borders
for work, trade, cultural exchanges etc., with enforceable limits, is
the only
sustainable way to deal with the migration problem. Not with hate
speech,
inflamed rhetoric or glib talk.
**** Finally, we must not forget that what we say, ultimately defines
us.
cm
> I thought the countries split because we could no longer
> live together. Let's face the reality. We are better off as we are.
> India is a developing country and is marching ahead inspite of all
> it's problems. India is one of the most unique country in the world.
> When western countries preach about values like democracy, equality, I
> think .. would they ever allow someone from a religious minority group
> to occupy the most powerful post in the country? It hasn't yet taken
> place and I doubt it will. Netters can correct me. Even Barak Obama
> had to hide his middle name during the campaign, although he has
> converted to Chritianity.
>
> While Bangladesh, under the current regime ( and even Sri Lanka )
> seems to be taking a strong resolve to root out terrorism, Pakistan is
> a failed state. Under no circumstance would they( meaning Pak govt )
> give up the idea of Kashmir. Infact no one can form a govt in Pak
> without having Kashmir in its agenda( It's a truth which most
> Pakistanis will acknowledge. It's a different matter that most
> educated everyday Pakistani citizens wouldn't be too worried about
> what happening in Indian Kashmir ). That is precisely the problem with
> Pakistan. Rather than worrying about improving their own country ,
> their policies are India centric.
> Now I read of ISI's direct involvement in 26/11( David Headley's
> confession .. I am sure some netters will even negate the validity of
> such confession )
> How many more Kasabs, Afzal Gurus does India want? We keep extending a
> friendly hand and everytime there is a kick in our butt. No wonder,
> India is taken for a ride by all.
> JS
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Dilip and Dil Deka
> <dilipdeka at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Netters,
>> Remember India, Bangladesh and Pakistan used to be one country
>> before the artificial borders were drawn. These borders did not
>> draw lines around and change people's language, literature and
>> culture overnight. So how can you distinguish someone from
>> Bangladesh in the middle of similar people in India? Thus they are
>> not detectable or deportable. Get used to it, I have been saying it
>> for years - migration across artificial borders will keep
>> happening, and you and I cannot do anything about it. Not even
>> mighty :-) GOI cn solve this problem.
>>
>> Only solution is a new federation of the three countries so that
>> people can freely move across the borders in the pursuit of
>> livelihood and business, in stead of pursuing religious or
>> political ideology. I know it sounds like wishful thinking but it
>> is possible if the social leaders put their minds to it.
>>
>> What's your take on it?
>> Dilip
>> Houston
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at gmail.com>
>> To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
>> world <assam at assamnet.org>
>> Sent: Wed, June 9, 2010 9:17:15 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Assam] ULFA no longer a force to be reckoned with, IB
>> tells Centre - Sentinel
>>
>> Those are very clever comments no doubt!
>>
>> What is not-so-clever, however, is the fact that the
>> 'democratically elected'
>> desi-govt/s. have neither been able to find or deport them. So what
>> do our
>> desi-demokrasy enthusiasts say about that? Is there a problem here
>> with
>> desi-sorkar, one that the clever netters so glibly put their trust
>> on, or is it a
>> problem with Uttam or is it a problem with the glib ones here ?
>>
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>> On Jun 9, 2010, at 9:03 PM, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
>>
>>> KJD,
>>>
>>> I am a little intrigued that there is quite possibly this notion
>>> out there
>>> that there are NO illegal B'deshis in Assam,
>>> and that all this is a political ploy of some kind. Though, I
>>> haven't met
>>> any illegal (or Undocumented - in PC speak) B'deshis, we keep
>>> reading and
>>> hearing about vast numbers of B'deshis coming into Assam/NE, and
>>> even as far
>>> as Delhi, W. Bengal etc.
>>>
>>> The previous BD PM categorically stated there are none, and one
>>> time the
>>> Assam Govt. was able to identify 6 or 7 B'deshis for deportation.
>>> Heck, and if sections of people also believe that there are none,
>>> I guess
>>> there are no illegal B'deshis in Assam.
>>>
>>> The other thing about North Indians grabbing land in Assam is
>>> something very
>>> new. I have never heard about this (not that it matters) and
>>> something even
>>> close to it. If these are 'criminal' acts, then it quite possibly
>>> pervasive
>>> in other parts of India, and just making inroads into Assam.
>>>
>>> --Ram
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 6:18 PM, kamal deka <kjit.deka at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> Hmmm! I haven't met any either. Next time we visit Assam, I
>>>>>>> will have to
>>>> make it point to meet one :-).<<<
>>>>
>>>> RS,
>>>> I am sure,there must be plenty of merry andrews in Assam as well
>>>> as in
>>>> the Net.However,in terms of buffoonery,he or she will not be able
>>>> to
>>>> match the one,who expects an illegal Bangladeshis to put on a ID
>>>> tag
>>>> hanging around his neck with the purpose of divulging his
>>>> nationality
>>>> :-)
>>>> KJD
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 12:23 AM, Ram Sarangapani
>>>> <assamrs at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Dear Uttam,
>>>>>
>>>>>> My problem is I cannot see anything in isolation. For me the
>>>>>> events are
>>>> all
>>>>> connected; we can see the past; but cannot forecast the future:
>>>>> that
>>>>> sort
>>>>> of: -).
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree there is value in viewing issues in this manner.
>>>>> However, some
>>>>> issues (like the Israeli-Palestinian conflict or similar ones)
>>>>> there is
>>>>> absolutely no end. The time line can be shifted at will, and how
>>>>> one
>>>> wishes.
>>>>>
>>>>> That is why, it is often a good idea to compartmentalize issues.
>>>>> One has
>>>> to
>>>>> start at some base line.
>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. I have not yet personally met a confirmed illegal Bangladeshi
>>>>> migrant ascertained to be one till date. Have you?
>>>>>
>>>>> Hmmm! I haven't met any either. Next time we visit Assam, I will
>>>>> have to
>>>>> make it point to meet one :-).
>>>>>
>>>>> But, there is the other possibility, since you have met one, and I
>>>> haven't
>>>>> either, then we can both be sure there aren't any illegal
>>>>> B'deshis in
>>>> Assam.
>>>>> :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. The recent killings near Dr. Dhaniram Baruah's Heart City
>>>>>> have been
>>>>> attributed to land grabbing. Some business people from the
>>>>> >cowbelt want
>>>> a
>>>>> huge contiguous plot of land on south bank near Guwahati to
>>>>> build up a
>>>>> township.
>>>>>
>>>>> I remember this. We were at Guwahati around that time. The Dr.
>>>>> was in
>>>>> B'lore, and some miscreants destroyed a big portion of his
>>>>> hospital.
>>>>> So, you claim some Hindiwalls or the like were behind this. And
>>>>> this
>>>> proves
>>>>> what, Uttam? That these Hindiwallas are out to get us?
>>>>>
>>>>>> There is no point in merely condemning the armed activity by a
>>>>>> small
>>>>> section of the Assamese. Being irrational, these activities
>>>>> would surely
>>>>>> give you the opportunity to sneer at them. But that will rather
>>>>>> stoke the
>>>>> fire than to douse it: do not you suggest we adhere to >'non-
>>>>> >violence'?
>>>> You
>>>>> got to feel the fragile Assamese psyche in relation to its
>>>>> foundation in
>>>>> hinterland ( some people say colony within a >colony!) economics.
>>>>> ( you
>>>> call
>>>>> it 'victim mentality' which is not very empathic...)
>>>>>
>>>>> Whether I empathize or not hardly matters, the 'Victim
>>>>> mentality' exists
>>>> &
>>>>> quite well for that matter. In fact, this is a favorite tool
>>>>> used by
>>>> armed
>>>>> rebellions all over the world, and maybe even countries.
>>>>>
>>>>> --Ram da
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 9:42 PM, uttam borthakur
>>>>> <uttamborthakur at yahoo.co.in>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Ram Da,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My problem is I cannot see anything in isolation. For me the
>>>>>> events are
>>>> all
>>>>>> connected; we can see the past; but cannot forecast the future:
>>>>>> that
>>>> sort
>>>>>> of: -).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since I have to run this time, I just point out a few things
>>>>>> for you to
>>>>>> just ponder: -
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. I have not yet personally met a confirmed illegal Bangladeshi
>>>>>> migrant ascertained to be one till date. Have you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. The recent killings near Dr. Dhaniram Baruah's Heart City
>>>>>> have been
>>>>>> attributed to land grabbing. Some business people from the
>>>>>> cowbelt want
>>>> a
>>>>>> huge contiguous plot of land on south bank near Guwahati to
>>>>>> build up a
>>>>>> township. In Chandrapur area, the Oxomiya henchmen of the cowbelt
>>>> business
>>>>>> houses are intimidating, killing, demolishing fences, etc. etc.
>>>>>> in order
>>>> to
>>>>>> devour the land. Local resistance of villagers, who are getting
>>>> organised in
>>>>>> the fear of losing homestead, are somewhat delaying the process.
>>>> Political
>>>>>> bigwigs , Ministersrunning Assam are in cahoots. Policemen are
>>>>>> involved.
>>>> All
>>>>>> these are daily news. Recently, I went on a survey. I was
>>>>>> aghast to
>>>> learn
>>>>>> that annual periodic pattas are given to the settlers; they are
>>>>>> now
>>>> given
>>>>>> the marching orders after giving them some money and a back dated
>>>> agreement;
>>>>>> on the basis of such agreement petty revenue for last fiver
>>>>>> years are
>>>> paid
>>>>>> in the name of these political bigwigs, ministers, northerners,
>>>>>> journalists etc. who have occupied huge chunks of beautiful
>>>>>> forest,
>>>> hill
>>>>>> lands with tremendous sight of the mighty Brahmaputra. If you
>>>>>> pay 20
>>>> times
>>>>>> or so of the revenue you get a Myadi Patta. For the poor
>>>>>> settlers it is
>>>> a
>>>>>> huge amount; for the carpetbaggers it is pittance. ( My take on
>>>>>> this is
>>>> :
>>>>>> all colonial masters need local henchmen / dalals. The rich
>>>>>> from the
>>>> cowbelt
>>>>>> will always need their paid goons to carry out their dirty
>>>>>> works. But
>>>> 'root
>>>>>> cause' is the money and greed of the masters: the principal
>>>>>> aspect of
>>>> the
>>>>>> contradiction:-))
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3. For various historical reasons, the processs of Assamese
>>>>>> Nation
>>>>>> formation (in the modern sense; I do not begin with
>>>>>> Narakasura:-)) has
>>>> not
>>>>>> been very sturdy and this inherent weakness has led to knee-jerk
>>>> reactions
>>>>>> weakening the process rather than bolstering it. There is no
>>>>>> point in
>>>>>> merely condemning the armed activity by a small section of the
>>>>>> Assamese.
>>>>>> Being irrational, these activities would surely give you the
>>>>>> opportunity
>>>> to
>>>>>> sneer at them. But that will rather stoke the fire than to
>>>>>> douse it: do
>>>> not
>>>>>> you suggest we adhere to 'non-violence'? You got to feel the
>>>>>> fragile Assamese psyche in relation to its foundation in
>>>>>> hinterland (
>>>> some
>>>>>> people say colony within a colony!) economics.( you call it
>>>>>> 'victim
>>>>>> mentality' which is not very empathic...)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's about it for now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Uttam Kumar Borthakur
>>>>>>
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