[Assam] European Union and South Asian Federation
kamal deka
kjit.deka at gmail.com
Sat Jun 12 11:38:31 PDT 2010
>>>Obviously it is a case of a misapplied idiom<<<
Yes,I may not have a good command over English idiom as you do, but I
can say with certainty that this particular idiom is apt in connection
with the discussion.I will never stand corrected.
On one end of the spectrum,you are screaming on the idea that these
countries should join together to form a federation while on the
opposite end,you support the ULFA's cause of India's disintegration.
This is what I call,once again,work both sides of the street.What is
good or bad in this? I explained before the difference between ideal
world and a real world.Why should anyone pursue a fool's errand?
KJD
On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 9:20 PM, Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Jun 11, 2010, at 5:36 PM, kamal deka wrote:
>
>> Again,it reminds me of a proverbial saying that goes---playing both
>> sides from the middle
>
>
>
> *** You mean "playing both sides, AGAINST ( not from) the middle, right :-)?
>
> But HOW does that apply in this situation? The idiom means: "---to try to
> make two
> people or groups compete with each other in order to get an advantage for
> oneself"
>
> *** Who are the two competing sides here, whom this bad person, the
> messenger,
> is attempting to play against each other, to reap the benefits for himself
> therefrom?
>
> Obviously it is a case of a misapplied idiom. But so be it. I won't dwell on
> it.
>
> But returning to the subject at hand, let us analyze what is involved. It
> has two
> parts:
>
> A: Is the proposition GOOD, or beneficial, or has the potential to
> ameliorate,
> if not eradicate the problem, namely uncontrolled migration?
>
> B: If it is good, then we will look into how to achieve it. If, on
> the other hand,
> it is not a good idea, then we must examine WHY it is not a good
> idea.
>
> We can't just demonize the proposition, because we do not trust the
> messenger or have
> doubts about his motives. It is OK to doubt the motives, but since it is NOT
> about him,
> we, as thinking people have to revert back to the fundamentals of the
> proposition, its
> possible benefits or its absence.
>
>
> *** IF you think the proposition is an undesirable one, pray tell us why.
> It could be bad.
> But you will have to tell us why it is bad or undesirable. The least you
> could do.
>
> *** IF it is NOT bad, then we go on to examine how to achieve it. Nobody is
> suggesting it
> is a piece of cake. Obviously it will be an uphill battle. But there would
> be ways if there is the will.
> That is the critical point.
>
> *** To denounce or demonize the proposition, just because one does not like
> the proposer
> or has doubts about his motives, is not the reaction of a thoughtful person.
> It makes the critic look
> like someone who does not really want to see a solution. Doesn't it?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 10:10 PM, Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, let us see if we can DE-Mystify this:
>>>
>>>
>>> Allow me to agree that the mystifier here is a bad person, an ULFA-Pal in
>>> the image of say, a terrorist
>>> pal like Obama as the great American intellectual Sarah Palin might say.
>>> But
>>> he is just a messenger. Is the
>>> message he is carrying, sullied by his personal failings?
>>>
>>> Or is the message a bad one? An undesirable one?
>>>
>>> IF, the message is bad, why so? Is it because it will harm India?
>>>
>>> And if it is NOT a bad message, that it would not only be in (India's
>>> interest, but also its neighbors, then
>>> why tar-and-feather the message, pooh-pooh it, because of the messenger's
>>> personal failures?
>>>
>>> Would a thinking person, able or willing to reason, do that? Cut his/her
>>> own nose to spite the face?
>>>
>>> That IS the question here.
>>>
>>> Will we be blessed with an explanation?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 10, 2010, at 8:04 PM, kamal deka wrote:
>>>
>>>> That's exactly how an ULFA's pal engages himself in an exercise called
>>>> MYSTIFICATION!!
>>>> Somebody,please let me know if there is a superior double talker than
>>>> this.
>>>> KJD
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Alpana B. Sarangapani
>>>> <absarangapani at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Isn't that something? Some are visioning of one big united world and
>>>>> some
>>>>> are trying to divide one little (or big) country that they live in.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Sushanta Kar <pragyan.tsc50 at gmail.com>
>>>>> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 17:56:30
>>>>> To: <assam at assamnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: [Assam] European Union and South Asian Federation
>>>>>
>>>>> This is the Dream, most of the people is visioning these days. People
>>>>> of
>>>>> this region will sure go for it!
>>>>>
>>>>> I support your proposal Dilipda!
>>>>>
>>>>> Sushanta
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>> From: Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at gmail.com>
>>>>> Date: 10 June 2010 23:22
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Assam] European Union and South Asian Federation
>>>>> To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
>>>>> world
>>>>> <
>>>>> assam at assamnet.org>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Precisely!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 10, 2010, at 12:48 PM, Dilip and Dil Deka wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I am sure most netters have read european history and know how
>>>>> viciously
>>>>> > the european tribes (and subsequently nations) fought for centuries.
>>>>> World
>>>>> > wars I and II were fought in Europe. If those people can form an
>>>>> economic
>>>>> > and political union for the sake of survival, what is wrong in
>>>>> expecting
>>>>> > India, Pakistan and Bangladesh (also Sri Lanka, Nepal and Bhutan
>>>>> possibly)
>>>>> > to form a federation?
>>>>> > There are 27 members in the EU and it is growing.
>>>>> > Dilip
>>>>> > ===========================================================
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Member states
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > The continental territories of the member states of the European
>>>>> Union
>>>>> > (European Communities pre-1993), animated in order of accession.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Albania
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Austria
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Belarus
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Belgium
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Bos.
>>>>> > & Herz.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Bulgaria
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Croatia
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Cyprus
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Czech
>>>>> > Rep.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Denmark
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Estonia
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Finland
>>>>> >
>>>>> > France
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Germany
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Greece
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Hungary
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Iceland
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Ireland
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Italy
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Latvia
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Lithuania
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Luxembourg
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Mac.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Malta?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Moldova
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Mont.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Netherlands
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Norway
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Poland
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Portugal
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Romania
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Russia
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Serbia
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Slovakia
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Slovenia
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Spain
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Sweden
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Switz-
>>>>> > erland
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Turkey
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Ukraine
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > United
>>>>> > Kingdom
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > European Union is composed of 27 sovereign Member States: Austria,
>>>>> Belgium,
>>>>> > Bulgaria, Cyprus, the Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland,
>>>>> France,
>>>>> > Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania,
>>>>> Luxembourg,
>>>>> > Malta, the Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovak Republic,
>>>>> > Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, and the United Kingdom.[30]
>>>>> > The Union's membership has grown from the original six founding
>>>>> > states-Belgium, France, (then-West) Germany, Italy, Luxembourg and
>>>>> the
>>>>> > Netherlands-to the present day 27 by successive enlargements as
>>>>> countries
>>>>> > acceded to the treaties and by doing so, pooled their sovereignty in
>>>>> > exchange for representation in the institutions.[31]
>>>>> > To join the EU a country must meet the Copenhagen criteria, defined
>>>>> at
>>>>> the
>>>>> > 1993 Copenhagen European Council. These require a stable democracy
>>>>> that
>>>>> > respects human rights and the rule of law; a functioning market
>>>>> economy
>>>>> > capable of competition within the EU; and the acceptance of the
>>>>> obligations
>>>>> > of membership, including EU law. Evaluation of a country's
>>>>> fulfilment
>>>>> of the
>>>>> > criteria is the responsibility of the European Council.[32]
>>>>> > No member state has ever left the Union, although Greenland (an
>>>>> autonomous
>>>>> > province of Denmark) withdrew in 1985. The Lisbon Treaty now
>>>>> provides
>>>>> a
>>>>> > clause dealing with how a member leaves the EU.
>>>>> > There are three official candidate countries, Croatia, Macedonia and
>>>>> > Turkey. Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Montenegro, Serbia and
>>>>> Iceland are
>>>>> > officially recognised as potential candidates.[33] Kosovo is also
>>>>> listed as
>>>>> > a potential candidate but the European Commission does not list it
>>>>> as
>>>>> an
>>>>> > independent country because not all member states recognise it as an
>>>>> > independent country separate from Serbia.[34]
>>>>> > Four Western European countries that have chosen not to join the EU
>>>>> have
>>>>> > partly committed to the EU's economy and regulations: Iceland, which
>>>>> has now
>>>>> > applied for membership, Liechtenstein and Norway, which are a part
>>>>> of
>>>>> the
>>>>> > single market through the European Economic Area, and Switzerland,
>>>>> which has
>>>>> > similar ties through bilateral treaties.[35][36] The relationships
>>>>> of
>>>>> the
>>>>> > European microstates, Andorra, Monaco, San Marino and the Vatican
>>>>> include
>>>>> > the use of the euro and other areas of co-operation.[37]
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>>>>> ??????? ??
>>>>> ??????????, ????
>>>>>
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>>>>> http://sites.google.com/site/pragyan06now
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