[Assam] Armed Revolution is an Outdated Concept

[kamal deka]

>>>"Take someone for an idiot and take someone for a fool"  --- actually means
to assume someone is a fool?  Well, I learn something everyday.<<<

Let me give you the source  of the idiom---McGraw-Hill Dictionary of
American Idioms and Phrasal Verbs. © 2002 by The McGraw-Hill
Companies, Inc.
In what way can anyone stratify those terror brigades other than
ruthless barbarians,who did not show even an iota of hesitation in
dragging out poor labourers from a truck,lined them up and then  shot
them from close range?

>>> Oh, I will readily admit that Kamath's persona is not necessarily defined
by what he wrote in that one piece<<<

You are trying to make a sanitized statement now.A direct quote will
carry the right flavor.Here is what you wrote " Every now and then we
see articles that are written by idiots".You could have avoided that
by giving a point-by-point rebuttal of the criticism levied by Kamath.

They certainly believe in nihilism because it aims to exercise a
military stranglehold over a region and either intimidate or eliminate
dissent. Maoists don't believe in choice; they are committed to total
control.
kjd






On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 10:31 PM, Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On May 22, 2010, at 8:31 PM, kamal deka wrote
>>Well,let me try once again.It means--to assume that someone is stupid.
>
> *** Really?
>
>
> "Take someone for an idiot and take someone for a fool"  --- actually means
> to assume someone is a fool?  Well, I learn something everyday.
>
> Anyway, I will let that be. Now for the real topic:
>
> **** I don't know Kamath from Adam. He may be a genius, or a saint or
> a hothead or a scoundrel or even a fool. I really don't care. Have no need
> to.
> My opinion of the writer of that piece of trash was formed entirely by what
> I read.
>
> *** Oh, I will readily admit that Kamath's persona is not necessarily
> defined
> by what he wrote in that one piece. I am not attempting to judge his
> life or his life's work.. I was merely judging the piece posted by Nava
> Thakuria.
> And my assessment remains rock-solid. It is a profoundly idiotic piece of
> commentary.
>
> Why ? I already explained several points. But there is more. I will be
> pleased to
> take it apart line by line, if I had to, even though I would find it to be
> an altogether
> useless exercise, knowing where you stand. Instead, perhaps YOU could
> tell us HOW  Kamath made thoughtful or useful or wise observations or
> recommendations. That would do two things:
>
>        A: Show others how my assessment is faulty or malicious or otherwise
>        uncalled for, putting me in my place.
>
>        B: Remove the doubts and help persuade those who are doubtful, to
> your
>        point of view. No better way to do it.
>
> So go right ahead and tell us about all the wisdom embedded in that article
> that yours truly and others have missed. Rest assured I will chime in with
> my two cents.
>
> Shall we?
>
>
>> You want evidence in the form of videos as to how these barbarians
>> react after carrying out carnage on civilians?  It is really sad and
>> embarrassing to read such a feeble display of reasoning.
>> What do you think--these " unblemished saints ",who have been
>> indoctrinated to embrace terrorism, weep full of bucket after
>> traumatizing unarmed civilians over and over again.
>
>
> *** You don't really have to. But I must admit that your certitude
> about them bad folks' gloating or celebrating after killing innocent
> civilians would not come from ordinary people with a rudimentary
> sense of fairness, UNLESS they know of it either first-hand or have
> hard evidence, as in a video. That is why I made the point I did.
>
> Here I have another couple of questions:  Why is it sad to seek such
> evidence?
> Is it because you felt I don't trust you enough :-)? And why is it
> embarrassing?
> Is it because it is such a self-evident thing that everyone knows about,
> like
> which direction the sun rises and a fellow man asking about it is
> embarrassing?
> Or something else? Or is it another case of hyperbole on steroids?
>
>
>> What do you think--these " unblemished saints ",who have been
>> indoctrinated to embrace terrorism, weep full of bucket after
>> traumatizing unarmed civilians over and over again.
>
> *** Did I say I do? Or did you just imagine that I do? And did I call them
> "unblemished saints" or even mere, garden variety saints? Or did you
> manufacture those attributes for me :-)? Furthermore, do they have to
> shed buckets of tears to prove that they don't go celebrating the killing
> of innocent civilians? Must the two be like you and your shadow?
> Can't one be independent of the other?
>
>
>>Nihilistic--because of their belief that destruction of existing
>>
>> political or social institutions is necessary for future improvement.
>
>
> *** That is in the eye of the beholder. Just as Kamath might see
> bombing them to smithereens as the only viable solution to the
> problem and you might agree, they too could view the system you hold
> dear as something that must be destroyed to bring in real change
> to what has hurt them so.
>
> Examples of such purging and cleansing are rife in modern
> human history, and some of it had been essential to the ensuing
> success in some of these societies. So such nihilism is not necessarily
> a negative attribute to be condemned in all instances.
>
>
>>Do you really want me to laud these terror squads as " Gandhian with
>>
>> gun"?
>
>
> **** Do I need to?  I have no problem with viewing them as people
> who have been so pushed to the wall, that they would take it no more
> and took to arms.
>
>> But that will be,I am afraid,as persuasive as " celibate
>> rapist"!!!
>
> **** No need to be challenged with such an eventuality. I did not
> call them Gandhian with guns and I don't have to hold them up on
> a pedestal as saints to be understanding of their plight and their
> response with the fight.
>
> That simple.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> It will be extremely unfair to sit in judgement on a person like
>> Mr.Kamath by projecting him as an idiot.I,for one,will never be able
>> to summon up my guts to classify him as such.-:)
>> You want evidence in the form of videos as to how these barbarians
>> react after carrying out carnage on civilians?  It is really sad and
>> embarrassing to read such a feeble display of reasoning.
>> What do you think--these " unblemished saints ",who have been
>> indoctrinated to embrace terrorism, weep full of bucket after
>> traumatizing unarmed civilians over and over again.
>> Nihilistic--because of their belief that destruction of existing
>> political or social institutions is necessary for future improvement.
>> Do you really want me to laud these terror squads as " Gandhian with
>> gun"? But that will be,I am afraid,as persuasive as " celibate
>> rapist"!!!
>> KJD
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Better yet,if one uses the idiom that goes " Take
>>>>
>>>> someone for an idiot and take someone for a fool".
>>>
>>>
>>> *** I try to understand what my literate friends say, even if it may not
>>> be
>>> very flattering.
>>> I suspect this ain't either. But what does it mean? And it is an IDIOM?
>>>
>>> Then,  what happens when one uses it?
>>>
>>> Well, I must BE  an idiot, not being able to fathom such a, well, common
>>> IDIOM .
>>> Or am I ?
>>>
>>>
>>>> These terror
>>>>
>>>> masters tend to rejoice in murders after carrying out their evils on
>>>> innocent civilians.
>>>
>>> *** Hmmm! That is not nice!! Any videos to prove? There must be some
>>> to back up such examples of certitude.
>>>
>>>
>>>> These are the same dim-wits,who are immune to
>>>>
>>>> persuasion and dialogue and passivity is judged as weakness.
>>>
>>>
>>> *** Whose passivity are we alluding to? GoI, GoC, PC, MaSi, who?
>>> Dimwits can never be persuaded. Otherwise they won't be dimwits.
>>> Will they? So what is the plan to make them steel-trap-minded,
>>> persuable people? Bomb them to smithereens? Call them names?
>>> Unleash assamnet wordsmiths with their fanciful 'gaali's? Or just go
>>> rah-rah with the steel-trap-minded sekuritywallah, Sri Kamath?
>>>
>>>
>>>> I do not find any better way to style these terrorists other than
>>>>
>>>> bunching them as cretins.
>>>
>>>
>>> *** That MUST hurt. I know, I can get rough with my words at times.
>>> But call anyone CRETINS? No, I won't go that far. Not if he were my worst
>>> enemy. That is cruel and unusual punishment. An idiot perhaps, in certain
>>> contexts. But surely NOT cretins.  I couldn't if I wished. I don't know
>>> any
>>> French.
>>>
>>>> Never mind.He,who lives by the sword,dies by the sword.
>>>
>>> *** Now THAT is a true piece of ACTIVE ( as opposed to PASSIVE)
>>> call for action!
>>>
>>>
>>>> At some point
>>>>
>>>> of time,these scumbags will surely be taking unilateral route to hell
>>>> hole.
>>>
>>> *** Hell hole? Wow, that sure sounds like something worse than just plain
>>> HELL.
>>> Like some uber-heck? Really? So, does that mean nobody needs to fret over
>>> them cretins?
>>> They are destined to uber-heck, so let us go home and uncork some bubbly,
>>> since
>>>
>>>> their Machiavellian and nihilistic design will come to an end
>>>> soon.
>>>
>>> :-)
>>>
>>> PS: I did have some fun with this. But seriously, come on K.
>>> You know a whole lot better than this. Why don't you wait
>>> until you have some time to respond with something thoughtful
>>> instead of shooting from the hip like this and  missing the target by a
>>> mile
>>> :-)?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 22, 2010, at 2:22 PM, kamal deka wrote:
>>>
>>>> Very well said.Better yet,if one uses the idiom that goes " Take
>>>> someone for an idiot and take someone for a fool".
>>>> I could not agree more with Kamath,who has touched upon a very topical
>>>> and timely issue with respect to those terror gurus.These terror
>>>> masters tend to rejoice in murders after carrying out their evils on
>>>> innocent civilians.These are the same dim-wits,who are immune to
>>>> persuasion and dialogue and passivity is judged as weakness.The top
>>>> leaders have been living high off the hog while others are left in the
>>>> hole.I do not find any better way to style these terrorists other than
>>>> bunching them as cretins.
>>>> Never mind.He,who lives by the sword,dies by the sword.At some point
>>>> of time,these scumbags will surely be taking unilateral route to hell
>>>> hole.Their Machiavellian and nihilistic design will come to an end
>>>> soon.
>>>> Regards,
>>>> KJ Deka,
>>>> Texas
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 11:23 PM, Nava Thakuria <navathakuria at yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> please mind it.
>>>>> It is easier for a perfect idiot to term other as idiots outrightly.
>>>>> nava thakuria
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>>> From: Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world
>>>>> <assam at assamnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Sat, May 22, 2010 2:34:01 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Assam] Armed Revolution is an Outdated Concept
>>>>>
>>>>> Every now and then we see articles that are written by idiots
>>>>>  containing
>>>>> little more than idiocy, and circulated as wisdom to take note. But
>>>>> this one
>>>>> takes the prize for a perfectly mindless one.
>>>>>
>>>>> cm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 21, 2010, at 3:53 PM, Nava Thakuria wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.sentinelassam.com/editorial/story.php?sec=3&subsec=0&id=36719&dtP=2010-05-22&ppr=1#36719
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Armed Revolution is an Outdated Concept
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The poor are told that violence alone will solve their problem when
>>>>>> violence does nothing of that kind. It will only add to their
>>>>>> prevailing
>>>>>> misery
>>>>>> How long do we have to wait for the traitorous Naxalite rebellion to
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> quelled? The UPA government is looking like a standing joke. If we are
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> believe Home Minister P Chidambaram, the government will get rid of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> Naxals before the term of the UPA-II ends. Does he know how the former
>>>>>> West
>>>>>> Bengal Chief Minister Siddartha Shankar Ray did his job?
>>>>>> After what happened at Dantewada, one of the poorest districts in
>>>>>> India
>>>>>> with 66 per cent of the 7.2 lakh population of tribal origin, the UPA
>>>>>> government should have stepped down and fresh elections should have
>>>>>> been
>>>>>> held. That the Naxalites should have succeeded in killing 74 members
>>>>>> of the
>>>>>> Alpha Company of the Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF) in an ambush
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> Chintalnar indicates the sheer impudence of the Naxalites. Apparently,
>>>>>> throughout the tribal belt extending to an estimated 200 districts,
>>>>>> Naxal
>>>>>> cadres number more than 10,000. What is more shocking and shameful is
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> these forces have the tacit support of so-called intellectuals like
>>>>>> Arundhati Roy, who needs to be questioned. The exact number of Maoists
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> open to guesswork, but again, according to another count, they number
>>>>>> “several thousand” and are well-equipped with Insas Rifles, AK-47s,
>>>>>> grenades
>>>>>> and rocket launchers, additionally capable of making Improvised
>>>>>> Explosive
>>>>>> Devises (IEDs).
>>>>>> Furthermore, they are also supported by an excellent intelligence
>>>>>> service.
>>>>>> From where did the Naxalites get their weapons? Who stitched their
>>>>>> uniform? It is claimed by Minhaz Merchant, chairman of a media group,
>>>>>> “that
>>>>>> powerful vested interests benefit from the Maoist insurgency” and that
>>>>>> “the
>>>>>> financial nexus between politicians, businessmen and Maoists thrives
>>>>>> in a
>>>>>> manufactured environment of lawlessness”. Are our intelligence
>>>>>> agencies
>>>>>> aware of who these “politicians and businessmen” are? Should not they
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> interrogated? Importantly, should not the Congress Party, which has
>>>>>> been in
>>>>>> power for the last six years and more, have given serious thought to
>>>>>> what
>>>>>> has been going on under its very nose?
>>>>>> The usual charges are that the tribals have been deprived of their
>>>>>> forest lands, that they have been denied access to jobs and other
>>>>>> sources of
>>>>>> living, that they have been denied access to education, and that, by
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> large, they have been largely ignored. Surely, all these charges can
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> effectively met without having to take resort to violence? If the late
>>>>>> Nana
>>>>>> Saheb Deshmukh could work wonder in his own chosen tribal field in
>>>>>> Maharashtra, surely others, equally deeply committed, can replicate
>>>>>> his
>>>>>> success? Is violence the only way to draw the attention of the
>>>>>> powers-that-be for the betterment of tribal life? Several intellectual
>>>>>> supporters of Naxalism have expressed their views like Varavara Rao,
>>>>>> activist Himanshu Kumar and another one of the kind known as
>>>>>> “Kishenji”.
>>>>>> To begin with, why does not the Government of India ask them to submit
>>>>>> detailed plans to help tribals? Surely that is not too much to ask?
>>>>>> Instead
>>>>>> of attacking the government for establishing Salwa Jadum— in the face
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> sustained violence — did the government have any other option? Cannot
>>>>>> our
>>>>>> intellectuals change their mindset and provide the government with a
>>>>>> well-thought-out plan to bring tribals into the mainstream of Indian
>>>>>> life?
>>>>>> Has anyone prevented them from developing a positive outlook towards
>>>>>> tribal
>>>>>> enrichment? One gets the clear impression that some of our mentally
>>>>>> sick
>>>>>> intellectuals prefer to romanticize the concept of “revolutionary
>>>>>> terrorism”, rather than to take over the earthy task of working out
>>>>>> concrete
>>>>>> proposals to enrich tribal life. It sounds terribly romantic to wage
>>>>>> war
>>>>>> against the country in the name of tribal needs, and the blame lies
>>>>>> entirely
>>>>>> on the UPA government for its soft-kneed approach towards every issue
>>>>>> hurting
>>>>>> the motherland.
>>>>>> This columnist has in the past suggested the setting up of the
>>>>>> separate
>>>>>> Indian Tribal Service, parallel to the Indian Administrative Service,
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> serve exclusively in tribal areas, so that tribal needs and
>>>>>> requirements are
>>>>>> identified and fully met. Roads can be laid down. Schools can be
>>>>>> established. Medical attention can be provided. Jobs within the tribal
>>>>>> jurisdiction can be created, and a rich and meaningful life can be
>>>>>> guaranteed to the tribal population. That is obviously not what our
>>>>>> revolutionaries want. They want glamour, publicity. Our screwball
>>>>>> intellectuals want to go back to the twenties and thirties and plan
>>>>>> ‘‘revolution’’. They want to raise funds through intimidating and
>>>>>> blackmail,
>>>>>> make secret arms purchase, transport them under the very nose of the
>>>>>> police
>>>>>> and bring death and destruction. The very concept of an “armed
>>>>>> revolution”
>>>>>> is stupid in this day and age. It invites administrative reaction
>>>>>> during
>>>>>> which many innocents would
>>>>>> inevitably get killed. One activist, Himanshu Kumar, is quoted as
>>>>>> asking
>>>>>> why, granting Naxalism is a problem, that poor people are “attracted
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> politics that will end in death”. The answer is obvious. The poor are
>>>>>> told
>>>>>> that violence alone will solve their problem when violence does
>>>>>> nothing of
>>>>>> that kind. It will only add to their prevailing misery. But how is one
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> convince Naxalites that the prescription they offer is out of fashion
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> today one has to turn to out-of-box solution for known problems?
>>>>>> One thing is obvious: the government of the day must undertake massive
>>>>>> public works and welfare schemes. Andhra Pradesh’s State Economic
>>>>>> Adviser Mr
>>>>>> Somayajulu has been quoted as saying that economic development and
>>>>>> welfare
>>>>>> schemes have transformed the Maoist scene in his State to the point
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> Maoism has lost its attraction for the once unemployed youth. Maoist
>>>>>> incidents in Andhra Pradesh fell from 576 in 2005 to 62 in 2009,
>>>>>> Maoist
>>>>>> killings from 211 to 17, and police deaths from 25 to zero. What was
>>>>>> done in
>>>>>> Andhra Pradesh can be duplicated in Chhatisgarh and Jharkhand. But
>>>>>> there,
>>>>>> surely, are other ways to help tribal people earn and decent
>>>>>> livelihood like
>>>>>> production of pappads to making of dolls which can be marketed, not
>>>>>> just in
>>>>>> India but worldwide. And, at the administrative level, there has to be
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> proliferation of government offices equipped with the latest
>>>>>> communication
>>>>>> technology. But one thing is absolutely a must. And that is to treat
>>>>>> Maoists
>>>>>> not as fellow citizens, but as traitors and murderers. No mercy should
>>>>>> be shown to them. Their headquarters have to be bombed. An
>>>>>> organization
>>>>>> responsible for the killing of upwards of 6,000 innocent people from
>>>>>> 1996 to
>>>>>> 2009 has to be wiped out of the surface of the earth. Importantly, the
>>>>>> Maoists should get the message that there is a strong government in
>>>>>> Delhi
>>>>>> which will not accept armed rebellion anywhere and those who indulge
>>>>>> in will
>>>>>> have to pay a heavy price.
>>>>>> MV Kamath
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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