[Air-l] capitalism always lies?

robert m. tynes rtynes at u.washington.edu
Sun Feb 1 14:29:38 PST 2004


well said, Art.
good thoughts, david.

so now what do we do?

jump ship? break the machine? or pull the whole damn thing apart and
create anew?

suggestions?

-robert


On Sun, 1 Feb 2004, david silver wrote:

> i agree with Art.
>
> i think it's crucial that we contextualize our object of study and for
> those studying US-based internet (in the very least) we must place it
> smack within capitalism, as others have already said on the list.  when we
> do that, definate patterns appear and it's these patterns that will help
> us critique, use, and tweak contemporary media and culture.
>
> Art, any chance of adding to your list -- capitalism, patriarchy, and
> white supremacy -- capitalism's twin cousins: militarism and consumerism?
>
> david
>
> On Sat, 31 Jan 2004, Art McGee wrote:
>
> > > I learn something new from this list all the time.
> > >
> > > Reading the digest today, I learned that Capitalism is
> > > basically responsible for media lies.
> > >
> > > Which I guess excludes socialism, fascism, theocracies,
> > > authorianism, etc.
> >
> > And this clown is a professor? That's the most idiotic and
> > duplicitous branching of logic I've ever seen from someone
> > supposedly past undergrad. Now I understand why the field
> > of CyberSociolology is so damn elitist and off-track, if
> > people like this are considered respected members.
> >
> > As others have already pointed out, in the context of the
> > United States of America, which is what we were talking
> > about, Capitalism, the all-consuming imperative for profit,
> > perverts, distorts, and basically undermines at every point
> > the attempt to have a truly democratic media system. This
> > is simply a fact. It doesn't mean that in other contexts
> > there aren't other reasons for media lies and distortions,
> > but here, Capitalism (and for that matter Patriarchy and
> > White Supremacy) is the primary barrier.
> >
> >
> > Art
> >
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