[Air-l] Web 2.0 - "the machine is us?"

Alexis Turner subbies at redheadedstepchild.org
Tue Feb 13 10:53:46 PST 2007


Mehhhh 2.0.  It's greatest weakness is its popularity, and, well, the fact that 
is DOES actually do some things that 1.0 didn't.  Unfortunately, the 
hype allows some misunderstandings to perpetuate themselves.

John told me that web 2.0 lets me interact with things.
Interacting with things is awesome.
So I tried web 2.0 and it was, in fact, awesome.
Therefore, John was right.  Web 2.0 must be awesome because it lets me interact 
with things.

Nevermind that John missed the point.  He made it first, and now we're stuck 
with it.

See more on theory:
http://redheadedstepchild.org/destruct/?page=001753

or in action:
http://digitalhistoryhacks.blogspot.com/2007/01/exploratory-bibliography.html
-Alexis


On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, Sam Ladner wrote:

::Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 09:14:51 -0500
::From: Sam Ladner <samladner at gmail.com>
::Reply-To: air-l at listserv.aoir.org
::To: air-l at listserv.aoir.org
::Cc: AoIR mailing list <air-l-aoir.org at listserv.aoir.org>
::Subject: Re: [Air-l] Web 2.0 - "the machine is us?"
::
::Hello all,
::
::Funny -- this exact same conversation was happening on the IDC list as well.
::People were amazed and impressed, others were critical, some found redeeming
::qualities, and in the end, everyone seemed to agree that it was a nice
::installation but could not serve as a substitute for scholarly work.
::
::The irony I noticed on that list -- and on this one -- is that we all use
::the listserv (decidedly NON-Web 2.0 technology) to engage in a fundamentally
::social activity of deciding scientific (read: scholarly) norms. If anything,
::then, this video has produced a Web 2.0 type of reaction, which isn't really
::Web 2.0 at all, but more Kuhnian.
::
::Does this video tell us anything about the structure of scientific
::revolutions? No.
::Does this video invite us to participate and debate? No.
::Does this video detail the nuance behind social computing in general? No.
::
::Great news! Guess we all still have day jobs.
::
::On 2/13/07, David Brake <d.r.brake at lse.ac.uk> wrote:
::>
::> Wesch does an excellent job in a brief presentation of providing a
::> tentative definition of 'Web 2.0' and hinting at its possible
::> impacts. He does not attempt to provide a clear explanation of the
::> ways in which Web 2.0 is distinctly different from 'social software'
::> that has been around on the Internet since the beginning (Usenet,
::> mailing lists, collaboratively authored FAQs etc) nor does he discuss
::> the implications of the fact that Web 2.0 users are still a minority
::> of users and active Web 2.0 contribution is largely the work of a
::> still smaller minority (something I recently posted about in more
::> detail on the Media at LSE weblog here):
::>
::> http://groupblog.workasone.net/archives/2007/02/overstating-the-
::> significance-of-web-20/
::>
::> But of course a 5 minute video is not a paper so that would be too
::> much to expect - the video would make an excellent starting point for
::> discussion of these issues in a classroom.
::>
::> ---
::> David Brake, Doctoral Student in Media and Communications, London
::> School of Economics & Political Science
::> <http://www.lse.ac.uk/collections/media@lse/study/
::> mPhilPhDMediaAndCommunications.htm>
::> Also see http://davidbrake.org/ (home page), http://blog.org/
::> (personal weblog) and http://get.to/lseblog (academic groupblog)
::> Author of Dealing With E-Mail - <http://davidbrake.org/
::> dealingwithemail/>
::> callto://DavidBrake (Skype.com's Instant Messenger and net phone)
::>
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