[Air-l] where did you go, out; what did you do, nothing
Bonnie Nardi
nardi at ics.uci.edu
Mon Jan 22 07:28:44 PST 2007
There's a very interesting book on suicide, November of the Soul, by
George Howe Colt (1991, updated 2006). The suicide rate has actually
dropped slightly recently although there was a significant increase
between the 1950s and the last couple decades. However, much of the
increase is almost sure to be artifacts of reporting.
Anyway, very thoughtful book and a lot of material on teen suicide.
--
Bonnie
On Jan 21, 2007, at 9:35 AM, Barry Wellman wrote:
> My sense is that I was hypothesizing about the broad middle while
> danah is
> talking atypical cases. So both of us are right. Suicidal (or attempted
> suicidal) teens were big in my generation too. Hmn, should Romeo and
> Juliet have gone to couples therapy?
>
> Barry Wellman
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> On Sun, 21 Jan 2007, Paul DiPerna wrote:
>
>> Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 10:20:50 -0700
>> From: Paul DiPerna <pdiperna at blauexchange.org>
>> To: air-l at listserv.aoir.org
>> Cc: aoir.z3z at danah.org, wellman at chass.utoronto.ca
>> Subject: RE: [Air-l] where did you go, out; what did you do, nothing
>>
>>
>> This thread is interesting..
>>
>> I admit not being very familiar with studies on teen behavior. But a
>> few years ago I came across the following research, which offer
>> interesting surveys of teens:
>>
>> Barbara Schneider and David Stevenson. (2000) The Ambitious
>> Generation.
>>
>> *Observes teens in the 50s and early 90s.
>>
>> Laurence Steinberg. (1997) Beyond the Classroom.
>>
>> *Observes teens in the mid-to-late 80s.
>>
>> Conclusions in their research may not be as relevant when talking
>> about
>> Millennials and how they interact with their parents today, however..
>> I can't remember how the surveys address child-parent interactions..
>>
>> This question is for anyone on our list.. maybe to add more context
>> for
>> the thread --
>>
>>
>> What are some recent/high-quality empirical studies addressing teen
>> behavior?
>>
>>
>> How can these kinds of studies inform us about how current teens may
>> use
>> the Web?
>>
>>
>>
>> - Paul
>>
>>
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>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: [Air-l] where did you go, out; what did you do, nothing
>> From: danah boyd <aoir.z3z at danah.org>
>> Date: Sun, January 21, 2007 4:49 am
>> To: air-l at listserv.aoir.org
>> Cc: aoir list <air-l at aoir.org>
>>
>> What do you mean by terrify their parents? What are you referencing
>> when you say that most teens engage in this behavior?
>>
>> I'm definitely seeing most American teens doing anything to avoid
>> scrutiny but that doesn't mean that their choices don't terrify their
>> parents. Amongst the more protective parents, _anything_ their teen
>> does that is about social status management terrifies the parents.
>> This creates a pretty bad cycle of deception and attempts to hide
>> what's going on, much of which is "normal" teen behavior. One thing
>> that is definitely at play is that there's a LOT more surveillance
>> going on. Your teen-parent dialogue has been pretty much obliterated
>> because parents aren't allowing their teens out without a
>> justification... no justification, no going out. Plus, the phone is
>> there as a constant leash.
>>
>> I am, sadly, finding that some teens engage in some pretty heart-
>> wrenching activities to gain the attention of parents whose focus is
>> elsewhere. This appears to cross SES. In particular, i've seen self-
>> harm (primarily cutting) used for this purpose. Anything to make
>> their parents pay attention to them... These stories kill me.
>>
>> I've also seen plenty of teens who are genuinely angry at their
>> parents (much of this seems to stem from divorce or violence between
>> the parents); their reaction to this can be self-destruction. I
>> suspect that the reason for this is that the parents actually come
>> together over the kid so when the kid is in crisis.. this motivates
>> some teens to be in crisis.
>>
>> danah
>>
>>
>> On Jan 20, 2007, at 1:27 PM, Barry Wellman wrote:
>>
>>> I am puzzled by the notion that most teens will do things to
>>> terrify their
>>> parents. Are there data on that? Or is it just autobiographical
>>> projection?
>>>
>>> Speaking autobiographically, and from a distance of 50 years, I
>>> suggest
>>> that most teens will try to avoid their parents' scrutiny.
>>> Terrifying them
>>> would only bring more scrutiny.
>>>
>>> "Where did you go?
>>> "Out.
>>> "What did you do?
>>> "Nothing."
>>>
>>> is the title, of a book about teen-parents relationships. By Robert
>>> Paul
>>> Smith.
>>> Published in 1959, which suggests that it was a general phenomenon
>>> then
>>> for my generation. And still in print, according to Amazon, which
>>> suggests
>>> some longterm relevance.
>>>
>>> Barry Wellman, with fond memories for the Fordham Flames.
>>>
>>> _____________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>> Barry Wellman S.D. Clark Professor of Sociology NetLab Director
>>> Centre for Urban & Community Studies University of Toronto
>>> 455 Spadina Avenue Toronto Canada M5S 2G8 fax:+1-416-978-7162
>>> wellman at chass.utoronto.ca http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman
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Bonnie A. Nardi
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