[Air-L] A Canadian critical of LL Re: Lawrence Lessig on ending corruption and influence of money in politics

Peter Timusk ptimusk at sympatico.ca
Tue Oct 9 18:44:02 PDT 2007 

Giest is good and he wrote the book Internet Law in Canada(which  
deals with much more than just IP issues) and may still be doing  
editions of that but he got gobbled up by IP issues IMHO.  But my  
point we need a different law book for Canada not a "US Internet law  
in Canada" textbook. He is lawyer and he is at my school. He does/did  
a regular newspaper column on Internet law issues for Canadian  
newspapers too but again I stopped reading when most articles were  
about IP and CD copying taxes etc. I have also asked him to read  
undergrad papers of mine which he said he did but never sent any  
feedback.

But why should we have to translate US law? That seems too elitist  
and top down if law is a product of the people( in this or that  
country).




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Systems Science Graduate student, University of Ottawa.
just trying to stay linear.
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On 9-Oct-07, at 11:00 AM, Ben Spigel wrote:

> There is a great deal of work in translating (both literally and
> figuratively) American IP systems into different countries' systems. A
> great example is the Canadian Creative Commons group
> (http://www.creativecommons.ca/). While thanks to the Berne Convention
> many countries share common features of IP law, Canada has a host of
> creators' rights not seen in America. Michael Giest
> (http://www.michaelgeist.ca), a law prof at U Ottawa is a leading
> scholar in how to convert CC, which was created in an American legal
> context, into different legal systems.
>
> Standard IANALOALS warnings apply.
>
> Ben Spigel
> Department of Geography
> The Ohio State University
>
> On 10/9/07, Conor Schaefer <conor.schaefer at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I tend to agree with Barry's comment. I think Lessig is really  
>> trying to
>> attack the root of the problem, so to speak, both his free culture  
>> quest
>> and in his anti-corruption tirade of late. In both cases, this is a
>> sentiment I can support wholeheartedly.
>>
>> I've only read his "Free Culture," but will check out Code.
>>
>> Conor
>>
>> barry saunders wrote:
>>> given the tendency for governments around the world to sign up to
>>> American copyright regimes as part of their free trade  
>>> agreements, I'd
>>> argue that an American perspective fighting on the side of less
>>> restrictive IP would be necessary.
>>>
>>> however, IANALOALS.
>>> (i am not a lawyer or a legal scholar)
>>>
>>> Barry
>>>
>>> On 10/9/07, Peter Timusk <ptimusk at sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> May be I am slightly anti-american and I have only read his one  
>>>> book
>>>> Code but his solution of American constitutional values and that of
>>>> some Canadian advocates of such things as creative commons seems to
>>>> take American laws and beliefs and transplant them into other
>>>> countries. This does not work says I who recently finished a BA in
>>>> legal studies where unlike natural sciences and mathematics ( this
>>>> could be questioned too) law textbooks, legal sources, and rules  
>>>> are
>>>> unique to a country and there is limited use for other countries
>>>> laws. For instance we don't have the same background of
>>>> libertarianism in Canada. We like our good government, peace and  
>>>> order.
>>>>
>>>> I will listen to his interview but I like to offer the above  
>>>> warning.
>>>> I did learn a lot reading his book but that was his technical
>>>> analysis which was a bit of a help even if borrowed and  
>>>> inaccurate. I
>>>> did not buy into his solutions.
>>>>
>>>> Peter Timusk,
>>>>
>>>> B.Math statistics (2002), B.A. legal studies (2006) Carleton  
>>>> University
>>>> Systems Science Graduate student, University of Ottawa.
>>>> just trying to stay linear.
>>>> Read by hundreds of lurkers every week.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 9-Oct-07, at 3:00 AM, Miraj Khaled wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> fascinating interview with Lawrence Lessig where he discusses his
>>>>> new cause, devoting the next ten years to ending government
>>>>> corruption.  how internet as a tool of participatory democracy and
>>>>> the advent of the 'global commons' could be the decisive  
>>>>> weapons in
>>>>> this struggle.
>>>>>
>>>>> hopefully he would establish a project for this new cause as he  
>>>>> did
>>>>> with Creative Commons, so that people in countries like  
>>>>> Bangladesh,
>>>>> India, Russia, Canada etc. can utilize his yet to be proposed
>>>>> mechanism.
>>>>>
>>>>>  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jkZFIwmc-8&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%
>>>>> 2Ehenrikmoltke%2Edk%2F
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> miraj
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Miraj Khaled
>>>>> Vancouver, Canada
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