[Air-L] facebook, twitter and annoyances

[Baym, Nancy]

Yes, these complaints so often rest on an idealized version of face to  
face interaction and relationships in which every interaction is  
richly rewarding. At least tweets are really short, unlike some of the  
conversations we get stuck in with friends and acquaintances.



On Oct 31, 2009, at 4:04 PM, "danah boyd" <aoir.z3z at danah.org> wrote:

> Life isn't so neatly compartmentalized.  Remove the internet for a  
> moment.  My guess is that you have dear friends who are sometimes  
> brilliant to speak with and sometimes, not so much.  You don't  
> reject them as friends just because not all of the conversations are  
> brilliant.  Likewise, you have colleagues who you have intensely  
> philosophical debates with but, when standing in line for lunch, the  
> conversation centers around something else. We can value people for  
> just one facet of their lives but our friends and other intimates  
> are more than that.  Of course, perhaps you have friends who could  
> never stop talking about their kids so you stopped inviting them to  
> dinner parties.  This happens too.  But none of our strong  
> connections with people are truly always on topic.  We just easily  
> forget the chitter chatter and remember the deeply meaningful.
>
> Perhaps we should be asking ourselves: Why is it that, when we go  
> online, we want to optimize for the brilliant conversations only?   
> Why do we want to reduce our connections down to only one facet? Is  
> this because of the asynchronicity?  Is it because of our self- 
> involvement?  Or something else?
>
> Personally, I like the peripheral awareness that's baked into status  
> updates.  Sure, some of what you say is brilliant, but mostly I like  
> the tempo of the connection, the reminder of personality and quirks,  
> the feeling of being part of humanity even when I'm sitting in my  
> living room.
>
> danah
>
>
>
> On Oct 31, 2009, at 11:41 AM, Barry Wellman wrote:
>
>> sounds like we need multiple twitter accounts.
>> but life may not be so neatly compartmentalized;-)
>>
>>
>> how do you feel about Oscar Wilde.
>>
>>
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>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2009, Baym, Nancy wrote:
>>
>>> Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 10:34:00 -0500
>>> From: "Baym, Nancy" <nbaym at ku.edu>
>>> To: Barry Wellman <wellman at chass.utoronto.ca>
>>> Cc: aoir list <air-l at aoir.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Air-L] facebook, twitter and annoyances
>>>
>>> Of course it's complex. But what if another of that person's  
>>> followers
>>> funds the food updates a lovely way to feel connected but is annoyed
>>> by all those professionally tinged informational links.  
>>> "Interesting"
>>> is not a quality of message but of a particular listener's  
>>> response to
>>> a message. "Almost all" is often an unwarranted assumption from  
>>> one's
>>> own point of view. Furthermore, even if "almost all" holds, they may
>>> not be the people most important to the tweeter.
>>>
>>> Nancy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 31, 2009, at 10:06 AM, "Barry Wellman"
>>> <wellman at chass.utoronto.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> 1. Nancy, I think it is more complex. What if there are really
>>>> interesting people whose posts are often filled with gems, but at
>>>> the same
>>>> posts some self-infatuated or status update stuff ("going for
>>>> breakfast")
>>>> ("sitting in my garden") stuff which is not interesting to almost  
>>>> all.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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