[Air-L] the case for critical commons
bbakiogl at gmail.com
Fri Jan 22 09:22:05 PST 2010
Actually, while I understand Charles's reaction to this video, Let's
remember that most memes tend to be offensive, racist, and some downright
repulsive. This is the 4chan culture and they don't care about being PC at
all (at one point they had the "Happy Negro" meme floating around, qtd. in
Encyclopedia Dramatica). So when you work with them or on a topic about
them, or on internet culture in general, you just have to accept it for what
it is. For me, it was ironic because from what I saw in the video, most of
the things that's been tossed around as "digital humanities" aren't the main
focus of digital humanities. When the discipline is being discussed, the
topics that appear are digital archiving, textual variants of digital texts,
digital authorship, data mining, data access and retrieval etc... but I may
be horribly wrong because apparently what I do isn't either.
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Alex Leavitt <alexleavitt at gmail.com>wrote:
> Reference: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/downfall-hitler-meme
> Alexander Leavitt
> Research Specialist, Convergence Culture Consortium
> Comparative Media Studies, MIT
> Twitter: @alexleavitt
> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 11:45 AM, jeremy hunsinger <jhuns at vt.edu> wrote:
> > It is actually just a spin off of a meme that uses this clip from that
> > movie, there are probably 30 or so different re-texts and mashups i've
> > of this clip. The joke, i think, of the meme is that it never ever comes
> > close to the German, nor is it ever supposed to, nor is the content
> > supposed to be evil or really related to the clip, it is a play of
> > and a play of hyperbole. I think you hit it on the head, it is supposed
> > be contrary to intentions, that's sort of its point. Sometimes people
> > re-vocalize the video, but usually they just subtitle it. True it does
> > for some play off the general ignorance of germans, but then the meme has
> > traveled quite far and wide, however, i'm pretty sure that neither
> > nor evil is supposed to be the point here. I think the point of the meme
> > centers around the banality of the reproduction and reconstruction of the
> > meanings, well if it has a point at all and isn't, which it frequently is
> > just a form of nihilism of the /b/ sort.
> > I posted this one because there was recently a big debate across a series
> > of blogs about digital humanities versus media studies and I think the
> > of the meme here captures elements of the mutual critique.
> > I'm sorry you didn't find it worth watching.
> > On Jan 22, 2010, at 11:31 AM, Charles Ess wrote:
> > > Very sorry to have to say this ...
> > > How profoundly disappointing, if not on the edge of insulting.
> > > If (a) you know German reasonably well, and especially if (b) you've
> > > the terrific film, Der Untergang, that is ripped off here - it doesn't
> > > strike me as funny at all.
> > > The kindest thing that I can say about it from my standpoint is that it
> > is a
> > > weak attempt at humor that depends first of all upon complete ignorance
> > of
> > > German, and secondly a strikingly uncritical willingness to accept the
> > now
> > > very tired trope of Hitler as the archetype of reactionary evil. (Part
> > > the irony here: I don't think he was all that reactionary, especially
> > with
> > > regard to new technologies.)
> > > As sympathetic as I am to the argument attempted to be made here - this
> > > seems to me to thereby works directly contrary to its intentions.
> > >
> > > Sorry - no one bats a thousand, not even the redoubtable Jeremy!
> > >
> > > - charles ess
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> > > Denmark
> > > mail: <imvce at hum.au.dk>
> > > tel: (+45) 8942 9250
> > >
> > > Distinguished Research Professor, Interdisciplinary Studies
> > > Drury University, Springfield, Missouri 65802 USA
> > >
> > > Exemplary persons seek harmony, not sameness. -- Analects 13.23
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> in case you've not seen this
> > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VREJV--VHSw
> > >>
> > >
> > >
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