[Air-L] Permission to reproduce webpages?

Thu Sep 2 04:55:04 PDT 2010

I used images from webpages (about 10, or so) in my book Cyber Racism
(thanks to Nick for previous shout out about it being useful).

I really had to fight with the publisher to get the webpage/images included
- both around copyright issues and just in terms of what it would take for
them to reproduce the images for the book.  In terms of copyright /
permission, they required that I send Registered/Certified snail mail to all
the people (white supremacists) who had published the pages.  Most didn't
reply, and one asked for money (uhm, no).

The other objection from the publisher was about the poor image quality of
moving stuff from the web to the page.  I ended up hiring a freelancer to
help with enhancing them for print publication.

And, here I just have to echo Chris' lament about the state of publishing.

I really look forward to the day when I'm working to the era of e-books with
multi-media elements integrated in and seen as an asset rather than a
stumbling block.

Best,
~ Jessie

Jessie Daniels, PhD
Associate Professor
Hunter College
New York, NY
* * *
My latest book: Cyber Racism
http://www.cyberracism.com/mediakit.html
* * *
Twitter: @JessieNYC

On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 7:35 AM, Heidelberg, Chris
<Chris.Heidelberg at ssa.gov>wrote:

> Andre:
>
> Those publications will probably welcome what you are trying to do because
> it will it is aiding in the serious academic persona that all publications
> like to have. I have already told Brian that I think academia needs to
> literally tactically sue publishers like the AP and force the AP and
> organizations like AP to sign agreements when needing academic IP,
> interviews and more. Academia needs its own pit-bull group to go after these
> ravenous publishers. Is it any wonder that print is mortally wounded in too
> many places?
>
> Good luck!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: air-l-bounces at listserv.aoir.org [mailto:
> air-l-bounces at listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Brian Holland
> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 6:16 PM
> To: andre.brock at gmail.com
> Cc: air-l at listserv.aoir.org
> Subject: Re: [Air-L] Permission to reproduce webpages?
>
>
> The AP is particularly litigious in this regard.  They have an extensive
> licensing program and they expect folks to use it.  In fact, the existence
> of such a program is a major factor against fair use -- i.e., it makes your
> claim of fair use less likely to succeed.
>
> - Brian
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: air-l-bounces at listserv.aoir.org [mailto:
> air-l-bounces at listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of André Brock
> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 5:08 PM
> To: Philippa Smith; air-l at listserv.aoir.org
> Subject: Re: [Air-L] Permission to reproduce webpages?
>
> Thanks, Philippa!  I appreciate the heads up.  Fortunately, the sites we
> examined (Racialicious, Jezebel, and Essence.com for those keeping score at
> home) aren't pulling from AP (thank god!).
>
> I'll keep y'all posted on my progress and outcome.
>
> André
>
> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Philippa Smith <philippa.smith at aut.ac.nz
> >wrote:
>
> > Just as an aside and to throw a spanner in the works -  I've had a
> > situation where we wanted to use a screenshot from an online newspaper
> > but because the source of the article was  Associated Press we had to
> > get their permission as well to reproduce the text.  This came at a
> > financial cost.  It's worth noting whether websites contain material
> > from other sources that might also need permission.  Unfortunately this
> > is a can of worms scenario.
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> > Philippa
> >
> > Philippa Smith
> > PhD Candidate
> > Institute of Culture, Discourse & Communication
> > AUT University
> > Auckland
> > NEW ZEALAND
> >
> > >>> André Brock<andre.brock at gmail.com> 09/02/10 9:41 AM >>>
> > Thanks to everyone who's answered me so far (Hi, Annette!).  The legal
> > advice was particularly helpful, and i'm going to follow Ulf-Dietrich's
> > advice and contact the websites - i have contacts at a couple of them.
> >
> > Does AoIR have a specific statement on fair use of Internet/ICT
> > materials
> > for research in the field?  I know we have an extensive set of materials
> > on
> > Ethics... (and no, i'm not volunteering to write it.  i'm just asking)
> >
> > André
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Andre Brock <andre.brock at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > For the first time in, well, ever I've been asked by a journal to
> > obtain
> > > permission from a website to reproduce a screenshot of a webpage.
> > Not, to
> > > be clear, of an image on the page - but of the page itself.   I've
> > been
> > > offered the option of removing the image and replacing it with a URL,
> > but
> > > from an archival standpoint that's problematic.  Webpages with dynamic
> > > content change all the time, not to mention that authors sometimes
> > change
> > > formats/platforms, modify pages, or remove content that was included
> > in the
> > > original analysis.
> > >
> > > I don't want to miss the publishing deadline, but I need to know:
> > "where
> > > dey do dat at?!?" (translation: since when did fair use guidelines get
> > bent
> > > so badly in academic publishing?)
> > >
> > > André Brock
> > > Assistant Professor, SLIS/POROI
> > > University of Iowa
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Andre Brock
> > Assistant Professor - Library and Information Science/POROI
> > University of Iowa
> > Iowa City, IA 52242
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> University of Iowa
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