[Air-L] Citing from a Kindle

Martin at Cleaver.org Martin at Cleaver.org
Wed Jan 5 05:57:55 PST 2011


Perhaps the device or software we use to read documents should:
- count the chapter/paragraph/word offset position in a Standards-compliant
way;
- encode these offsets into a Standard URL-path element that is both
computer and human-readable
- encode the document's name into a permanently referencable URL-path and
domain

I can imagine something like
http://pubs.universityname.ac.uk/lastname.firstname/title/year/chapter-offset/paragraph-offset/word-offset
.

Documents need to carry the citation format URL for that document. The
Kindle needs to be able to generate these URLs based on that format.

The citations need to generated wherever the Kindle shares the text, e.g. in
pages like http://kindle.amazon.com/popular_highlights and on

XPath & XPointer are relevant technical standards. See
http://commons.oreilly.com/wiki/index.php/XPath_and_XPointer and in
particular
http://commons.oreilly.com/wiki/index.php/XPath_and_XPointer/XPointer_Background#Location

I hope that helps,
   Martin.
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On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 5:54 AM, Cornelius Puschmann <
cornelius.puschmann at uni-duesseldorf.de> wrote:

> While I don't see any harm in providing page numbers, I agree with Alex
> about the horseless carriage thing. It seems unlikely that we'll still be
> referring to places in documents without using URIs in the (perhaps still
> distant) future -- it seems too tedious. There's no reason why we shouldn't
> use anchors or similar techniques instead of manually counting paragraphs;
> the fact that right now we mostly refer to entire documents via hyperlinks
> doesn't mean it has to stay that way.
>
> And wouldn't it be nice to encode the *kind* of link to a source (e.g.
> whether you agree to or dispute its claims, whether it's comparable prior
> research etc). Of course this assumes we'll eventually use hypertext
> instead
> of word processors and PDF...
>
> Cornelius
>
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Lane DeNicola <denicola at alum.rpi.edu
> >wrote:
>
> > How about the Chicago Manual of Style citation guidelines, 16th
> > edition?  Presumably journal editors/reviewers would find *those*
> > acceptable.
> >
> >  http://www.chicagomanualofstyle.org/tools_citationguide.html
> >
> > I quote here, minus italics:
> >
> > Book published electronically
> >
> > If a book is available in more than one format, cite the version you
> > consulted. For books consulted online, list a URL; include an access
> > date only if one is required by your publisher or discipline. If no
> > fixed page numbers are available, you can include a section title or a
> > chapter or other number.
> >
> > 1. Jane Austen, Pride and Prejudice (New York: Penguin Classics,
> > 2007), Kindle edition.
> > 2. Philip B. Kurland and Ralph Lerner, eds., The Founders’
> > Constitution (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1987), accessed
> > February 28, 2010, http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/.
> > 3. Austen, Pride and Prejudice.
> > 4. Kurland and Lerner, Founder’s Constitution, chap. 10, doc. 19.
> >
> > Austen, Jane. Pride and Prejudice. New York: Penguin Classics, 2007.
> > Kindle edition.
> > Kurland, Philip B., and Ralph Lerner, eds. The Founders’ Constitution.
> > Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1987. Accessed February 28,
> > 2010. http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/.
> >
> > --LD
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 4:40 PM, <air-l-request at listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 10:32:17 -0500
> > > From: jeremy hunsinger <jhuns at vt.edu>
> > > To: Alex Halavais <alex at halavais.net>
> > > Cc: air-l at listserv.aoir.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Air-L] Citing from a Kindle
> > > Message-ID: <78BDF849-7CCE-42E5-9FF8-EAC1462B276A at vt.edu>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> > >
> > > how about a group that centers on bibliography and citation much more
> > closely, like MLA or IFLA or somesuch?
> > >
> > > as for page numbers, let me say this... if you submit a paper to a
> > journal and it comes to me without them or some similarly recognized
> > convention, I'm probably going to note that in the review and require it
> to
> > be done, and I think any editor or reviewer would do the same.   As i
> said,
> > i don't think you necessarily need them for direct quotes, and i think
> you
> > don't necessarily need them in certain other common sense instances, but
> > sometimes... for reference page numbers or other indexical values are
> > necessary.   If a reviewer or editor can't find what you are talking
> about
> > in a text, they should be... worried...  Currently then, the practice is
> to
> > include them for due diligence.  Whether, that changes in our lifetime...
> i
> > don't know, it could.  Should we reject it or change it, for my part, no.
>  I
> > like page numbers immensely, they make my life much easier.
> >
> > --
> > Dr. Lane DeNicola
> > Lecturer in Digital Anthropology
> > Department of Anthropology
> > University College London
> > http://www.lanedenicola.name
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