[Air-L] Elsevier is taking down papers from Academia.edu

Sat Dec 7 12:28:33 PST 2013

Dear Air-ls,

I just don't understand how people who are able to receive the Wolf prize,
the Fields medal or even the Nobel can't find yet a simple way to publish
academic papers without elesevier and others "papers databases"... I'm
probably missing something.

Yohanan

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On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 10:17 PM, Robert W. Gehl <lists at robertwgehl.org>wrote:

> Exactly. Which is why I hope some universities and associations simply
> take back publishing from the Elseviers and Taylor and Francises of the
> world, do it online, and make it open access. We can keep doing the free
> labor of writing, reviewing and even editing.
>
> - Rob
>
> Robert W. Gehl
> Assistant Professor, Department of Communication
> Affiliated Faculty, University Writing Program
> The University of Utah
> www.robertwgehl.org | @robertwgehl
> Sent from our OS on our Internet
>
> Watch for my book, Reverse Engineering Social Media, from Temple in 2014
>
> On 12/07/2013 12:46 PM, Gil De Zuniga, Homero wrote:
> > I know this might sound a bit odd, and I admit it beforehand : -}
> > But it sends to me that "us" researchers are the ones who are really
> losing in this trend, beyond the discussion of open research.
> > 1. We do the research
> > 2. We review the research
> > 3. The research gets published by Elsevier and other publishers, or
> Academia.edu
> > 4. We make no money.
> > 5. They do.
> > I agree the system should be open. But if it's not, why shouldn't be the
> case that at least a decent part of the financial benefits revert back to
> the authors, departments, research units, schools, etc...
> > Saludos,
> > HGZ
> >
> > Homero Gil de Zúñiga
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> >
> > -------- Original message --------
> > From: "Robert W. Gehl"
> > Date:12/07/2013 11:08 (GMT-06:00)
> > To: air-l at listserv.aoir.org
> > Subject: Re: [Air-L] Elsevier is taking down papers from Academia.edu
> >
> > Setting aside individual publishers' rules about posting pre-prints to a
> > /personal/ site, I've wondered for some time why publishers have not yet
> > gone after Academia.edu, which is not a personal site, but a centralized
> > social network built in part on top of a lot of copyright violations.
> > It's YouTube all over again.
> >
> > - Rob
> >
> > Robert W. Gehl
> > Assistant Professor, Department of Communication
> > Affiliated Faculty, University Writing Program
> > The University of Utah
> > www.robertwgehl.org<http://www.robertwgehl.org> | @robertwgehl
> > Sent from our OS on our Internet
> >
> > Watch for my book, Reverse Engineering Social Media, from Temple in 2014
> >
> > On 12/07/2013 08:28 AM, Jen Jack Gieseking wrote:
> >> To determine exactly what versions of papers you are allowed to post
> >> publicly per contracts, you can use the Sherpa Romeo database to search
> >> copyright policies of most journals in a clear, easy to understand
> format:
> >> http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/.
> >> JJG
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Jen Jack Gieseking, Ph.D.
> >> Postdoctoral Fellow in New Media and Data Visualization
> >> Digital and Computational Studies Initiative, Bowdoin College
> >> jgieseking at gmail.com
> >> www.jgieseking.org<http://www.jgieseking.org>
> >> www.spatiallyinclined.org<http://www.spatiallyinclined.org>
> >> @jgieseking <https://twitter.com/jgieseking>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Michael Zimmer <zimmerm at uwm.edu>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Precisely.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Michael Zimmer, PhD
> >>> Assistant Professor, School of Information Studies
> >>> Director, Center for Information Policy Research
> >>> University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee
> >>> e: zimmerm at uwm.edu
> >>> w: www.michaelzimmer.org<http://www.michaelzimmer.org>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Dec 7, 2013, at 6:21 AM, Joseph Reagle <joseph.2011 at reagle.org>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 12/06/2013 10:41 PM, Michael Zimmer wrote:
> >>>>> Whoever wrote this isn't very familiar with publisher copyright
> >>>>> transfer agreements.
> >>>> Some publishers often distinguish between the author's draft and the
> >>>> final peer reviewed and paginated version. That is, posting a draft on
> >>>> your site (or to SSRN, say) is permissible, copying the final version
> is
> >>>> not. Hence I'm curious as to which these removed versions were?
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