[Air-L] Elsevier is taking down papers from Academia.edu

Sat Dec 7 15:50:18 PST 2013

John, Darren, Nat, and all ~
Sure, it askhas a cost, I get it.... I'm convinced their margin is better than any other industry though.
But in any case, what about at least a more egalitarian distribution of the profits. If not to us, which I get it, may be selfish as universities pay us (still debatable tough), to the schools. What about routing back some funds to universities for grants to improve the very product they sell? = better research.
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-------- Original message --------
From: Darren Purcell
Date:12/07/2013 17:17 (GMT-06:00)
To: John McNutt
Cc: air-l at listserv.aoir.org
Subject: Re: [Air-L] Elsevier is taking down papers from Academia.edu

John, they do a great deal of work to make publications occur.  I grant you
that, but they are not paying for the vast majority of labor they rely
upon. If I review a paper, it is 3-4 hours of reading, checking ideas, etc.
If we assume we all only receive papers that are in the center of our
active research programs, narrow that down to 1-2 hours for a thoughtful,
useful review.  Even that low number yields some potentially expensive
reviews for many comm/ICT journals that publish 80-100 articles annually if
publishers were paying for the actually work product.

I for one would like to have 1/2 my hourly consulting rate for the reviews
I did last year. Homero probably would as well.

Darren

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University of Oklahoma

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On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 5:02 PM, John McNutt <mcnuttjg at netzero.com> wrote:

> I agree but there is a lot of expensive stuff here.  Even if you take the
> physical distribution out of the mix, publishers do a lot of things to get
> it out the door, keep it indexed and marketed and so forth.   Some
> associations (many of which are small) use publishers to meet a lot of
> their back office needs as well.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: air-l-bounces at listserv.aoir.org [mailto:
> air-l-bounces at listserv.aoir.org] On Behalf Of Nathaniel Poor
> Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 4:59 PM
> To: Gil De Zuniga, Homero
> Cc: air-l at listserv.aoir.org
> Subject: Re: [Air-L] Elsevier is taking down papers from Academia.edu
>
> It seems like double billing.
>
> Your U paid you to do the research. Your U pays the publisher to allow
> access for those at your U to that research.
>
> That is simplified, but not inaccurate.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 7, 2013, at 2:46 PM, "Gil De Zuniga, Homero" <
> hgz at austin.utexas.edu> wrote:
> >
> > I know this might sound a bit odd, and I admit it beforehand : -} But
> > it sends to me that "us" researchers are the ones who are really losing
> in this trend, beyond the discussion of open research.
> > 1. We do the research
> > 2. We review the research
> > 3. The research gets published by Elsevier and other publishers, or
> > Academia.edu 4. We make no money.
> > 5. They do.
> > I agree the system should be open. But if it's not, why shouldn't be the
> case that at least a decent part of the financial benefits revert back to
> the authors, departments, research units, schools, etc...
> > Saludos,
> > HGZ
> >
> > Homero Gil de Zúñiga
> > Associate Professor
> > Director, Digital Media Research Program (DMRP)
> > communication.utexas.edu/strauss/dmrp
> > Annette Strauss Institute for Civic Life College of Communication
> > University of Texas - Austin utexas.edu Voice (512) 471 6323 Fax (512)
> > 471 7979 www.homerogdz.com<http://www.homerogdz.com> Google Scholar Profile @_HGZ_
> >
> >
> > -------- Original message --------
> > From: "Robert W. Gehl"
> > Date:12/07/2013 11:08 (GMT-06:00)
> > To: air-l at listserv.aoir.org
> > Subject: Re: [Air-L] Elsevier is taking down papers from Academia.edu
> >
> > Setting aside individual publishers' rules about posting pre-prints to
> > a /personal/ site, I've wondered for some time why publishers have not
> > yet gone after Academia.edu, which is not a personal site, but a
> > centralized social network built in part on top of a lot of copyright
> violations.
> > It's YouTube all over again.
> >
> > - Rob
> >
> > Robert W. Gehl
> > Assistant Professor, Department of Communication Affiliated Faculty,
> > University Writing Program The University of Utah
> > www.robertwgehl.org<http://www.robertwgehl.org> | @robertwgehl Sent
> > from our OS on our Internet
> >
> > Watch for my book, Reverse Engineering Social Media, from Temple in
> > 2014
> >
> >> On 12/07/2013 08:28 AM, Jen Jack Gieseking wrote:
> >> To determine exactly what versions of papers you are allowed to post
> >> publicly per contracts, you can use the Sherpa Romeo database to
> >> search copyright policies of most journals in a clear, easy to
> understand format:
> >> http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/.
> >> JJG
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Jen Jack Gieseking, Ph.D.
> >> Postdoctoral Fellow in New Media and Data Visualization Digital and
> >> Computational Studies Initiative, Bowdoin College
> >> jgieseking at gmail.com www.jgieseking.org<http://www.jgieseking.org>
> >> www.spatiallyinclined.org<http://www.spatiallyinclined.org<http://www.spatiallyinclined.org<http://www.spatiallyinclined.org>>
> >> @jgieseking <https://twitter.com/jgieseking>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Michael Zimmer <zimmerm at uwm.edu>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Precisely.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Michael Zimmer, PhD
> >>> Assistant Professor, School of Information Studies Director, Center
> >>> for Information Policy Research University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee
> >>> e: zimmerm at uwm.edu
> >>> w: www.michaelzimmer.org<http://www.michaelzimmer.org<http://www.michaelzimmer.org<http://www.michaelzimmer.org>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Dec 7, 2013, at 6:21 AM, Joseph Reagle <joseph.2011 at reagle.org>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 12/06/2013 10:41 PM, Michael Zimmer wrote:
> >>>>> Whoever wrote this isn't very familiar with publisher copyright
> >>>>> transfer agreements.
> >>>> Some publishers often distinguish between the author's draft and
> >>>> the final peer reviewed and paginated version. That is, posting a
> >>>> draft on your site (or to SSRN, say) is permissible, copying the
> >>>> final version is not. Hence I'm curious as to which these removed
> versions were?
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