[Air-L] Meme Tracking

Wed Sep 13 13:39:45 PDT 2017

*Going Viral* by Jeff Hemsley and Karine Nahon

On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 12:50 PM, David Stodolsky <dss at secureid.net> wrote:

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emic_and_etic <https://en.wikipedia.org/
> wiki/Emic_and_etic>
>
> In anthropology <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropology>,
> folkloristics <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folkloristics>, and the
> social <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_sciences> and behavioral
> sciences <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_sciences>, emic and
> etic refer to two kinds of field research <https://en.wikipedia.org/
> wiki/Field_research> done and viewpoints obtained:[1] <
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emic_and_etic#cite_note-1> emic, from
> within the social group <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_group>
> (from the perspective of the subject) and etic, from outside (from the
> perspective of the observer).
>
>
> > On 10 Jun 2017, at 22:22, Heidi Huntington <huntington.heidi at gmail.com
> <mailto:huntington.heidi at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Internet memes borrow their name from Dawkins' invented term, but really
> are a quite different thing.
>
> If so, then using the same term is bad methodology.
> I would place it in the same category as “alternative facts”.
>
> New age religion claims to be science.
> Unless someone can show that the term is needed, then its use is merely an
> attempt to propagandize for Dawkin's religion.
>
>
> dss
>
> >
> > In the 2014 book Memes in Digital Culture, published by MIT Press, Limor
> Shifman discusses the problematic history of the term and specifically
> defines Internet memes as a separate phenomenon rooted in participatory
> media culture. Between Shifman's work and others', there is published
> scholarship to support the use of the term "meme" to refer to the Internet
> practice without necessarily subscribing to Dawkins' concept.
> >
> > As was mentioned in this thread, those of us who study Internet memes
> ultimately use the term "memes" because that is the term the people who
> make them use.
> >
> >
> > On Jun 10, 2017 1:30 PM, "David Stodolsky" <dss at secureid.net <mailto:
> dss at secureid.net>> wrote:
> >
> > > On 10 Jun 2017, at 21:15, Giorgia Castellano <
> giorgia.castellano at gmail.com <mailto:giorgia.castellano at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > > "As the refs below show, the term meme has no validity.
> > > Rumor propagation and the spread of innovative ideas has a long
> history of study in social science."
> > >
> > > Well, memes are not important only if you have never set foot on the
> internet in the last 10 years. They are all talking about internet memes
> which have almost nothing in commong with biology-derived memes. Those blog
> entries are from 2010 which in Internet years counts as 100 years of
> evolution.
> > >
> > > so http://imgur.com/gallery/PZRWvjd <http://imgur.com/gallery/PZRWvjd>
> <http://imgur.com/gallery/PZRWvjd <http://imgur.com/gallery/PZRWvjd>>
> > >
> > >
> >
> > There are no “biology-derived memes” and there are no “memes”.
> > The concept is nonsense constructed for ideological reasons from whole
> cloth by Dawkins.
> > Please read the links before you respond, unless you wish to confirm you
> have no wish to understand the topic of discussion.
> >
> > Discussion here is supposed to support science.
> > If someone posted they wished to study the effect of angels on Internet
> posting frequency, few would consider it a valid input.
> > When you use the term “meme” unquoted, you are promoting religion, not
> science.
> >
> >
> > dss
> >
> >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Giorgia Castellano
> > > M.A. Hamburg University
> > > Erasmus Mundus in Journalism, Media and Globalisation
> > >
> > > 2017-06-10 21:06 GMT+02:00 David Stodolsky <dss at secureid.net <mailto:
> dss at secureid.net> <mailto:dss at secureid.net <mailto:dss at secureid.net>>>:
> > > Once you fall into Newspeak, like “meme,” you have already sacrificed
> your rationality on the altar of market fundamentalism:
> > >
> > > http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2011/07/artificial-ape.html <
> http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2011/07/artificial-ape.html> <
> http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2011/07/artificial-ape.html <
> http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2011/07/artificial-ape.html>>
> > >
> > > http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2010/12/memes-selfish-genes-
> and-darwinian.html <http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/
> 2010/12/memes-selfish-genes-and-darwinian.html> <
> http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2010/12/memes-selfish-genes-and-darwinian.html
> <http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2010/12/memes-selfish-genes-and-darwinian.html
> >>
> > >
> > > http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2010/02/what-darwin-got-wrong.html <
> http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2010/02/what-darwin-got-wrong.html> <
> http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2010/02/what-darwin-got-wrong.html <
> http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2010/02/what-darwin-got-wrong.html>>
> > >
> > > http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2016/02/richard-selfish-gene-
> dawkins-has.html <http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/2016/02/richard-selfish-gene-
> dawkins-has.html> <http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/
> 2016/02/richard-selfish-gene-dawkins-has.html <http://cosmism.blogspot.dk/
> 2016/02/richard-selfish-gene-dawkins-has.html>>
> > >
> > >
> > > Margaret-thatcher: "And, you know, there's no such thing as society.
> There are individual men and women and there are families" in an interview
> in Women's Own in 1987
> > > https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/apr/08/margaret-
> thatcher-quotes <https://www.theguardian.com/
> politics/2013/apr/08/margaret-thatcher-quotes> <
> https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/apr/08/margaret-thatcher-quotes
> <https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/apr/08/margaret-thatcher-quotes
> >>
> > >
> > > “Meme” is the same idea expressed by a zoologist, who is out of his
> depth in social science.
> > > He continues to be a fanatical opponent of group selection, when it
> comes to genes.
> > >
> > >
> > > As the refs below show, the term meme has no validity.
> > > Rumor propagation and the spread of innovative ideas has a long
> history of study in social science.
> > >
> > >
> > > dss
> > >
> > > > On 8 Jun 2017, at 15:05, Thomas Ball <xtc283 at gmail.com <mailto:
> xtc283 at gmail.com> <mailto:xtc283 at gmail.com <mailto:xtc283 at gmail.com>>>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > A couple of years ago IARPA (https://www.iarpa.gov/ <
> https://www.iarpa.gov/> <https://www.iarpa.gov/ <https://www.iarpa.gov/>>)
> opened up a thread
> > > > exploring the use of open source indicators (OSIs) for prediction and
> > > > forecasting of unknown potential future events and threats. OSIs are
> > > > basically text and keywords. In reaching out to the IARPA organizer
> of the
> > > > discussion, links were requested to papers on the topic. The link
> below was
> > > > his response. Note that this IARPA thread came shortly after the
> so-called
> > > > 'Arab Spring.' Thus, the papers reflect thinking of that vintage.
> > > >
> > > > D12PC00337 OR D12PC00285 OR D12PC00347 - Google Scholar
> > > > <https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=D12PC00337+OR+
> D12PC00285+OR+D12PC00347 <https://scholar.google.com/
> scholar?q=D12PC00337+OR+D12PC00285+OR+D12PC00347> <
> https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=D12PC00337+OR+
> D12PC00285+OR+D12PC00347 <https://scholar.google.com/
> scholar?q=D12PC00337+OR+D12PC00285+OR+D12PC00347>>>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > D12PC00337 OR D12PC00285 OR D12PC00347 - Google Scholar
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > <https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=D12PC00337+OR+
> D12PC00285+OR+D12PC00347 <https://scholar.google.com/
> scholar?q=D12PC00337+OR+D12PC00285+OR+D12PC00347> <
> https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=D12PC00337+OR+
> D12PC00285+OR+D12PC00347 <https://scholar.google.com/
> scholar?q=D12PC00337+OR+D12PC00285+OR+D12PC00347>>>
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 4:33 AM, Tanis Grandison <
> tanis.grandison at me.com <mailto:tanis.grandison at me.com> <mailto:
> tanis.grandison at me.com <mailto:tanis.grandison at me.com>>>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Hi All,
> > > >>
> > > >> I was wondering if anyone could offer any advice (and useful
> reading ) on
> > > >> tracking Memes.
> > > >> Specifically, I am wondering if there is a way I can take a meme
> and look
> > > >> at how it has spread and been shared on different social media?
> > > >>
> > > >> I wouldn’t be doing it in real time, more looking back at
> significant
> > > >> events and how political memes transcended networks and flowed
> through
> > > >> social media.
> > > >>
> > > >> Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks
> > > >> Tanis Grandison
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> > > David Stodolsky, PhD                   Institute for Social Informatics
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