[Air-L] Please get your facts right

Gullen, Christopher T. cgullen at westfield.ma.edu
Thu Nov 17 16:05:08 PST 2022


Rod, I do not think you are a racist. I do, however,  think that you're an obtuse asshole.

To make your commment to Steph who works at Arkansas and then publicly state that you're confused as to why her and other folks would be offended?

Do you only think that quality scholars work at institutions in the north? I work in Massachusetts which, until earlier this month, had a Republican Governor, yes a liberal Republican but a Republican nonetheless who had very questionable attitudes toward public higher education.

Get off your damn soapbox.  And yes, this was an ad hominem attack. Deal with it.

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So.. a Comms scholar used the First Amendment guarantee to free speech to stop fellow academics on a… *checks notes*… COMMUNICATIONS listserv from freely discussing academic issues?

That same scholar then boasted that the listserv is now restricted to job opportunities but then came onto another listserv to critique someone sharing a job opportunity?

Where to start with this one…?


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> On Nov 17, 2022, at 15:22, Dr. Emma Briant via Air-L <air-l at listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Rod,
> Just to clarify the below please… Are you saying you sent a legal threat to
> NCA over this and as a result they stopped discussion of issues on the
> listserv?
> Thank you,
> Emma
>
>> On Thu, 17 Nov 2022 at 17:54, Rod Carveth via Air-L <air-l at listserv.aoir.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I had indicated that I was going to stay out of any further comments
>> related to my observation that I doubted U of Arkansas was going to be
>> attracting top candidates given the election of the seriously unqualified
>> Trumpster, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, as governor, and the educational
>> policies that she advocates.
>>
>> But, I do have to respond to Daniel Greene's post today, particularly this
>> passage:
>>
>>
>> *Dr. Carveth was previously involved in a similar debate on the National
>> Communication Association's list serv, regarding the rights of faculty to
>> opine on "the illegal immigrant threat and the history of illegals [sic]
>> murder and rapes, and threatened to sue
>> <
>> https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2019/09/26/national-communication-association-suspends-discussion-listserv
>> <
>> https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2019/09/26/national-communication-association-suspends-discussion-listserv
>>>>
>> anyone accusing him or colleagues of racism. *
>>
>> First of all, what I said on this list has absolutely nothing to do with
>> the incident involving the CRTNET listserv.
>>
>> Second, Greene has conflated facts regarding that incident.
>>
>> My friend and colleague, Dr. Richard Vatz (Towson University) made a
>> comment on the CRTNET listserv about how media coverage failed to include
>> sufficient news coverage about "illegals." For this, Dr. Vatz was attacked
>> for being a racist on both the CRTNET listserv and on a Facebook group
>> called Communication Scholars for Transformation (CST).
>>
>> Dr. Vatz and I differ on many political issues, as he is conservative and I
>> am liberal. But, over the years, I know that he is a principled
>> conservative (unlike many in the GOP). I also believe in the First
>> Amendment -- which NCA purports to be as well -- and called out the ad
>> hominem attacks against Dr. Vatz as a way of muzzling his speech. For that,
>> people on both CRTNET and CST labelled me a racist as well. Teaching at an
>> HBCU and having members of your field calling you a racist is an awkward
>> situation at best.
>>
>> Around that time, I had a conversation with a friend who is a First
>> Amendment lawyer, and among the topics to come up was this issue with
>> CRTNET and CST. The friend said one of the things I could do would take
>> legal action. The friend said that it would be a long shot, but sometimes
>> the threat is just as effective. My friend was correct. Dr. Vatz and I
>> posted on CRTNET that if the false charges of racism did not stop, we would
>> seek legal action. NCA at that point stopped having CRTNET have discussions
>> about issues. Rather, CRTNET now carries announcements about conferences
>> and research opportunities, jobs and obituaries.
>>
>> I hope this clarifies Greene's passage that not only erroneously tries to
>> equate the two events, but also provides important context.
>>
>> Rod Carveth
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