[Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk?

Tue Oct 25 08:07:05 PDT 2022

Nice to see where this thread is going!

If there is indeed an initiative to set up an AoIR instance, I am 
available and willing to contribute my knowledge and experience on the 
subject.

I've been co-administering a Mastodon server since 2018 
(https://post.lurk.org/about/) and together with LURK, the association I 
am part of, we have facilitated various workshops on the matter 
(example: https://txt.lurk.org/how-to-run-a-small-social-networking-site/)

Unfortunately, I wont be attending AoIR but can be reached online!

all the best,

Roel

On 10/25/22 15:20, Richard Forno via Air-L wrote:
> Aha.  Then disregard my prior musing.  Thanks for the edification!
>
> On 25 Oct 2022, at 9:20, Enkerli, Alexandre wrote:
>
>> Long story short: Mastodon instances are federated... and it's easier to follow activities on a given instance.
>>
>> --Alex
>>
>> -----Message d'origine-----
>> De : Richard Forno <rick at rickf.org>
>> Envoyé : 25 octobre 2022 09:16
>> À : Enkerli, Alexandre <Alexandre.Enkerli at collecto.ca>
>> Cc : air-l at listserv.aoir.org
>> Objet : Re: [Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk?
>>
>> [AVERTISSEMENT] Courriel EXTERNE. Soyez PRUDENT avec les hyperliens et pièces jointes. Merci!
>>
>> I could be wrong, since I've only dabbled briefly w/Mastodon back in the spring and not really dug too deeply into it yet so bear with me:  Won't this just create a bunch of silos based on what instance you're in?  IoW, say you're in the AOIR instance, are you able to share/communicate/link/follow content and users on, say, ICA's instance?   (Think of how you and your guild has to log into a given server on WoW but can't chat w/someone on another server ... or at least you couldn't when I played.)
>>
>> If so, wouldn't this mean that Masto is more like an old-style BBS built around likeminded community of users/interests (which I think is nice, btw!) but at the same time fracture and stovepipe online interactions and communities further? It's hard enough to manage 1-2 Twitter feeds ... how will someone manage their identity/participation in X number of Mastodon instances?
>>
>> As I said, I'm very much a newbie to Mastodon, so I could be totally wrong in my comments here.   -- rick
>>
>> On 25 Oct 2022, at 8:45, Enkerli, Alexandre via Air-L wrote:
>>
>>> Nice to meet other Masto users.
>>>
>>> Moved to Scholar.social during a recent Musk-induced flurry of activity on Mastodon. At that time (a few weeks before the Open Education Global event), a significant number of people in the Open Education movement transferred some activity to the Fediverse.
>>> https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fedte
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>>>
>>> However, it doesn't sound like the level of activity at this point is that much higher than previous attempts at moving away from birdsite.
>>>
>>> Maybe an AIR instance will change things, especially if the messages from this mailing-list convert into toots.
>>>
>>>
>>> --Alex
>>>
>>> ALEXANDRE ENKERLI
>>> CHARGÉ DE PROJETS • SERVICES DE PÉDAGOGIE NUMÉRIQUE collecto.ca
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Message d'origine-----
>>> De : Air-L <air-l-bounces at listserv.aoir.org> De la part de sally--- via Air-L
>>> Envoyé : 24 octobre 2022 18:27
>>> À : Robert W Gehl <lists at robertwgehl.org>; Fenwick Mckelvey <mckelveyf at gmail.com>
>>> Cc : air-l at listserv.aoir.org
>>> Objet : Re: [Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk?
>>>
>>> [AVERTISSEMENT] Courriel EXTERNE. Soyez PRUDENT avec les hyperliens et pièces jointes. Merci!
>>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> I'm on Mastadon already, but would prefer to be on an AOIR sponsored server...
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Air-L <air-l-bounces at listserv.aoir.org> on behalf of Fenwick Mckelvey via Air-L <air-l at listserv.aoir.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2022 1:45 PM
>>> To: Robert W Gehl <lists at robertwgehl.org>
>>> Cc: air-l at listserv.aoir.org <air-l at listserv.aoir.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk?
>>>
>>> Hi all
>>> I am very much interested in the Mastadon opportunity. Please count me in too.
>>>
>>> Be good,
>>> Fenwick
>>>
>>> On Mon, 24 Oct 2022 at 13:52, Robert W Gehl via Air-L < air-l at listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Count me in on this, Aram. (no surprise there, I imagine!)
>>>>
>>>> As far as I'm concerned, there is academic microblogging beyond the
>>>> Musk site -- it's on the fediverse. I'll be talking about it a bit in
>>>> my presentation at AOIR.
>>>>
>>>> - Rob
>>>>
>>>> On 10/24/22 13:21, Aram Sinnreich via Air-L wrote:
>>>>> I’ve been thinking that AoIR should launch its own Mastodon
>>>>> instance,
>>>> open to all members. Something like aoir[dot]social.
>>>>> Glad to discuss in Dublin.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 23, 2022, at 4:42 PM, Richard Forno via Air-L <
>>>> air-l at listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
>>>>>> External Email: Use caution with links and attachments.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Stu -
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Like many, I'm hoping for the best, but expecting the worst for Twitter.
>>>>>> I find Twitter a fantastic tool for staying in-touch and updated on
>>>>>> colleagues' research/ideas/musings, sharing ideas of my own and
>>>>>> perhaps soliciting feedback/contributions, following conference
>>>>>> hashtags (hello #AOIR2022!), some current events and
>>>>>> socialization...and the odd dog or nature photo  I'd hate quit it,
>>>>>> but I've not ruled it out ... but I could live w/o Twitter, even after 13 years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Without getting too deeply into politics here (which can be hard
>>>>>> given the broader issues raised) -- as to your last paragraph Stu,
>>>>>> I'm with you.  Since 2001 I've been increasingly concerned about
>>>>>> the future of America's lttle-d democracy, view 2016 as a populist
>>>>>> accident/experiment, saw 2020--1/6 as a test run. feel 2022 will be
>>>>>> a good indicator of where things are heading having learned from
>>>>>> 2020, and firmly believe that 2024 likely will be *the* pivotal point for our
>>>>>> country one way or the other.   (Though politically, I think this
>>>>>> political decline started in the mid-90s when one party decided to
>>>>>> treat the other as the 'enemy' and embraced a scorched-earth brand
>>>>>> of politics that considered compromise akin to treason, which got
>>>>>> cranked to 11 thanks to silo'd cable news and SM platforms in
>>>>>> ensuing years.)  And that's all I will prognosticate about here
>>>>>> politically -- other than to conclude by saying I'm worried not
>>>>>> just about now, but that we will not be able to fix things and get
>>>>>> "back on track for the future" anytime soon.  :/.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do admit that despite being an old-school geek/hacker, in recent
>>>>>> years I've wrestled with the warm-and-fuzzy nostalgic notion from
>>>>>> the '90s that "information wants to be free". In some ways, it's
>>>>>> been great for individuals and society -- in other ways, as Borat
>>>>>> might say, "not so much."  Of course, that change in thinking also could be a function of
>>>>>> midlife as well as current events.   ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But one of the world's dominant modern comms mediums transitioning
>>>>>> into an unaccountable private entity run by a person .... however
>>>>>> you view Musk .... definitely is concerning on *many* levels.[1].
>>>>>> By contrast, at least FB is a regulated public company and has the
>>>>>> appearance of some 'objective' review of controversial things via its Oversight Board.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As for aca-Twitter?  As I said, I'm still in wait-and-see, but it
>>>>>> wouldn't surprise me to see many tweeps both from academia and
>>>>>> elsewhere posting their final tweets either due to protest or for
>>>>>> professional reasons / protection by year-end or early next year,
>>>>>> depending on what 'innovations' are introduced to the platform post-acquisition.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stay tuned, I guess...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- rick
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1] WaPo reported Friday that DOD/DOJ 'might' be investigating the
>>>>>> Twitter deal and SpaceX-DOD contracts due to national security
>>>>>> concerns with Musk's public views and his foreign investors.  Could
>>>>>> be something there, could be a flash of desperation to block the
>>>>>> sale ... but again, the question of accountability comes up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 21 Oct 2022, at 7:43, Shulman, Stu via Air-L wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Will academic Twitter exist under Elon Musk? Will there be more or
>>>>>>> less data? More or less urgent issues to study? Will the "Fail
>>>>>>> Whale" show up again after 75% of the staff is gone? Who will do
>>>>>>> content moderation?
>>>>>>> Is
>>>>>>> this a FastTrack to the next violent uprising in the US?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am curious what people on this particular list think is about to
>>>>>>> happen.
>>>>>>> After 12 years featuring the formal study of Twitter data I am
>>>>>>> completely burned out. Not on the challenges, nor the art and
>>>>>>> science of the tasks. I still love talking to students and faculty
>>>>>>> who have chosen Twitter as the object of their research. The data
>>>>>>> has never been more widely available and the positive uses of it
>>>>>>> can be inspiring.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's the voluminous amounts of hate I see in my own research. Also
>>>>>>> the systemic weaponization of Twitter against democratic systems
>>>>>>> of government globally. As an original Board Member and the
>>>>>>> Treasurer of a 501
>>>>>>> (c)(6)
>>>>>>> called "The Big Boulder Initiative" I was working as a liaison to
>>>>>>> academia with a group of industry people on the "long term
>>>>>>> preservation of the social data industry." The industry survived,
>>>>>>> but the ideals aspired to have not. We offered this 2-minute
>>>>>>> Lawrence Lessig-inspired vision of the challenges about 7 years
>>>>>>> ago:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Why Texifter Joined the Big Boulder Initiative"
>>>>>>>
>>>> https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furld
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>>>>>>> Lessig was right. On the Internet, architecture is the most
>>>>>>> powerful regulator. The architecture of Twitter, with corporate
>>>>>>> ads featured on insurrectionist and other problematic timelines,
>>>>>>> is now a persistent threat to democratic systems of government
>>>>>>> without a single day of Musk governance. The insurrection January
>>>>>>> 6, 2021 was planned in the open on Twitter. There were
>>>>>>> advertisements from familiar brands in every seditious timeline.
>>>>>>> Evolving tactics using Twitter trains (tagging 30 like-minded
>>>>>>> users), notification-rich replies, the ReTweet functionality,
>>>>>>> gamification, domestic and foreign meme warfare, the idolatry of
>>>>>>> influence via misinformation, bots and trolls, as well as paid
>>>>>>> amplifiers of all manner and variety. The "digital soldiers" we
>>>>>>> found in the Canadian election of
>>>>>>> 2019 (fake Americans who hated Trudeau but liked RT, Russia Today
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> Southfront) were openly planning a QAnon-inspired "storm" which
>>>>>>> ultimately was the first coup attempt in two centuries of American
>>>>>>> democracy. I briefed the US/UK Intelligence Community (staff from
>>>>>>> the Joint Chiefs, JSOC, etc.) February 12, 2020 via the Strategic
>>>>>>> Multilayer Assessment using open source information from Twitter.
>>>>>>> Things have since gotten much worse, not better, since that
>>>>>>> briefing. These were the slides in early February
>>>>>>> 2020:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> Looking at the current threat-relevant data, I have a
>>>>>>> sick-to-my-stomach feeling about the next 60 days in U.S. history.
>>>>>>> We may be late to notice the end of small "d" democracy is
>>>>>>> imminent or inevitable because of the Internet effects we cannot
>>>>>>> fully see, capture, measure, or control.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Dr. Stuart W. Shulman
>>>>>>> Founder and CEO, Texifter
>>>>>>> Editor Emeritus, *Journal of Information Technology & Politics*
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