[Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk?

Tue Oct 25 10:17:47 PDT 2022

I would love to be included on this email, as well. Thank you!

On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 1:08 PM Aram Sinnreich via Air-L <
air-l at listserv.aoir.org> wrote:

> Great to see so many folks interested in this idea. In order to stop
> spamming everyone else on the AoIR list, I’ll email all the people who
> responded with interest in a separate message, and propose a time to meet
> up in Dublin.
>
> If anyone is interested and doesn’t hear from me in the next hour or two,
> please feel free to reach out directly at aram at american.edu<mailto:
> aram at american.edu> and I’ll invite you as well.
>
> Onwards and upwards.
>
> Aram
>
> On Oct 25, 2022, at 9:00 AM, Robert W Gehl via Air-L <
> air-l at listserv.aoir.org<mailto:air-l at listserv.aoir.org>> wrote:
>
> External Email: Use caution with links and attachments.
>
> Having just attended Roel's workshop on Hometown/Mastodon this past May,
> I can tell everyone interested in this that Roel and his colleagues are
> *extremely* adept at setting up, administering, moderating, and
> developing alternative social media that is ethical and inclusive. If we
> can get Roel and Varia/LURK to help, things will go well!
>
> - Rob
>
> On 10/25/22 11:07, Roel Roscam Abbing via Air-L wrote:
> Nice to see where this thread is going!
>
> If there is indeed an initiative to set up an AoIR instance, I am
> available and willing to contribute my knowledge and experience on the
> subject.
>
> I've been co-administering a Mastodon server since 2018
> (
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://post.lurk.org/about/__;!!IaT_gp1N!2e2RrN8ubjv0MAdVFDMbtFTLCPUNNYy15n38CIFVocbQUxu_JfggwM8Q8NwVtaKus19ztCbGNSL0QJnktw$
> ) and together with LURK, the association
> I am part of, we have facilitated various workshops on the matter
> (example:
>
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://txt.lurk.org/how-to-run-a-small-social-networking-site/__;!!IaT_gp1N!2e2RrN8ubjv0MAdVFDMbtFTLCPUNNYy15n38CIFVocbQUxu_JfggwM8Q8NwVtaKus19ztCbGNSIuZc9P_Q$
> )
>
> Unfortunately, I wont be attending AoIR but can be reached online!
>
> all the best,
>
> Roel
>
> On 10/25/22 15:20, Richard Forno via Air-L wrote:
> Aha.  Then disregard my prior musing. Thanks for the edification!
>
> On 25 Oct 2022, at 9:20, Enkerli, Alexandre wrote:
>
> Long story short: Mastodon instances are federated... and it's
> easier to follow activities on a given instance.
>
> --Alex
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : Richard Forno <rick at rickf.org<mailto:rick at rickf.org>>
> Envoyé : 25 octobre 2022 09:16
> À : Enkerli, Alexandre <Alexandre.Enkerli at collecto.ca<mailto:
> Alexandre.Enkerli at collecto.ca>>
> Cc : air-l at listserv.aoir.org<mailto:air-l at listserv.aoir.org>
> Objet : Re: [Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk?
>
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>
> I could be wrong, since I've only dabbled briefly w/Mastodon back in
> the spring and not really dug too deeply into it yet so bear with
> me:  Won't this just create a bunch of silos based on what instance
> you're in?  IoW, say you're in the AOIR instance, are you able to
> share/communicate/link/follow content and users on, say, ICA's
> instance?   (Think of how you and your guild has to log into a given
> server on WoW but can't chat w/someone on another server ... or at
> least you couldn't when I played.)
>
> If so, wouldn't this mean that Masto is more like an old-style BBS
> built around likeminded community of users/interests (which I think
> is nice, btw!) but at the same time fracture and stovepipe online
> interactions and communities further? It's hard enough to manage 1-2
> Twitter feeds ... how will someone manage their
> identity/participation in X number of Mastodon instances?
>
> As I said, I'm very much a newbie to Mastodon, so I could be totally
> wrong in my comments here.   -- rick
>
> On 25 Oct 2022, at 8:45, Enkerli, Alexandre via Air-L wrote:
>
> Nice to meet other Masto users.
>
> Moved to Scholar.social during a recent Musk-induced flurry of
> activity on Mastodon. At that time (a few weeks before the Open
> Education Global event), a significant number of people in the Open
> Education movement transferred some activity to the Fediverse.
>
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>
> However, it doesn't sound like the level of activity at this point
> is that much higher than previous attempts at moving away from
> birdsite.
>
> Maybe an AIR instance will change things, especially if the
> messages from this mailing-list convert into toots.
>
>
> --Alex
>
> ALEXANDRE ENKERLI
> CHARGÉ DE PROJETS • SERVICES DE PÉDAGOGIE NUMÉRIQUE collecto.ca
>
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : Air-L <air-l-bounces at listserv.aoir.org> De la part de sally---
> via Air-L
> Envoyé : 24 octobre 2022 18:27
> À : Robert W Gehl <lists at robertwgehl.org>; Fenwick Mckelvey
> <mckelveyf at gmail.com>
> Cc : air-l at listserv.aoir.org
> Objet : Re: [Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk?
>
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>
> Hi
>
> I'm on Mastadon already, but would prefer to be on an AOIR
> sponsored server...
> ________________________________
> From: Air-L <air-l-bounces at listserv.aoir.org> on behalf of Fenwick
> Mckelvey via Air-L <air-l at listserv.aoir.org>
> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2022 1:45 PM
> To: Robert W Gehl <lists at robertwgehl.org>
> Cc: air-l at listserv.aoir.org <air-l at listserv.aoir.org>
> Subject: Re: [Air-L] Will Academic Twitter Exist Under Elon Musk?
>
> Hi all
> I am very much interested in the Mastadon opportunity. Please count
> me in too.
>
> Be good,
> Fenwick
>
> On Mon, 24 Oct 2022 at 13:52, Robert W Gehl via Air-L <
> air-l at listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
>
> Count me in on this, Aram. (no surprise there, I imagine!)
>
> As far as I'm concerned, there is academic microblogging beyond the
> Musk site -- it's on the fediverse. I'll be talking about it a bit in
> my presentation at AOIR.
>
> - Rob
>
> On 10/24/22 13:21, Aram Sinnreich via Air-L wrote:
> I’ve been thinking that AoIR should launch its own Mastodon
> instance,
> open to all members. Something like aoir[dot]social.
> Glad to discuss in Dublin.
>
> On Oct 23, 2022, at 4:42 PM, Richard Forno via Air-L <
> air-l at listserv.aoir.org> wrote:
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>
> Hi Stu -
>
> Like many, I'm hoping for the best, but expecting the worst for
> Twitter.
> I find Twitter a fantastic tool for staying in-touch and updated on
> colleagues' research/ideas/musings, sharing ideas of my own and
> perhaps soliciting feedback/contributions, following conference
> hashtags (hello #AOIR2022!), some current events and
> socialization...and the odd dog or nature photo  I'd hate quit it,
> but I've not ruled it out ... but I could live w/o Twitter, even
> after 13 years.
>
> Without getting too deeply into politics here (which can be hard
> given the broader issues raised) -- as to your last paragraph Stu,
> I'm with you.  Since 2001 I've been increasingly concerned about
> the future of America's lttle-d democracy, view 2016 as a populist
> accident/experiment, saw 2020--1/6 as a test run. feel 2022 will be
> a good indicator of where things are heading having learned from
> 2020, and firmly believe that 2024 likely will be *the* pivotal
> point for our
> country one way or the other.   (Though politically, I think this
> political decline started in the mid-90s when one party decided to
> treat the other as the 'enemy' and embraced a scorched-earth brand
> of politics that considered compromise akin to treason, which got
> cranked to 11 thanks to silo'd cable news and SM platforms in
> ensuing years.)  And that's all I will prognosticate about here
> politically -- other than to conclude by saying I'm worried not
> just about now, but that we will not be able to fix things and get
> "back on track for the future" anytime soon.  :/.
>
> I do admit that despite being an old-school geek/hacker, in recent
> years I've wrestled with the warm-and-fuzzy nostalgic notion from
> the '90s that "information wants to be free". In some ways, it's
> been great for individuals and society -- in other ways, as Borat
> might say, "not so much."  Of course, that change in thinking
> also could be a function of
> midlife as well as current events.   ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>
> But one of the world's dominant modern comms mediums transitioning
> into an unaccountable private entity run by a person .... however
> you view Musk .... definitely is concerning on *many* levels.[1].
> By contrast, at least FB is a regulated public company and has the
> appearance of some 'objective' review of controversial things
> via its Oversight Board.
>
> As for aca-Twitter?  As I said, I'm still in wait-and-see, but it
> wouldn't surprise me to see many tweeps both from academia and
> elsewhere posting their final tweets either due to protest or for
> professional reasons / protection by year-end or early next year,
> depending on what 'innovations' are introduced to the platform
> post-acquisition.
>
> Stay tuned, I guess...
>
> -- rick
>
> [1] WaPo reported Friday that DOD/DOJ 'might' be investigating the
> Twitter deal and SpaceX-DOD contracts due to national security
> concerns with Musk's public views and his foreign investors.  Could
> be something there, could be a flash of desperation to block the
> sale ... but again, the question of accountability comes up.
>
>
> On 21 Oct 2022, at 7:43, Shulman, Stu via Air-L wrote:
>
> Will academic Twitter exist under Elon Musk? Will there be more or
> less data? More or less urgent issues to study? Will the "Fail
> Whale" show up again after 75% of the staff is gone? Who will do
> content moderation?
> Is
> this a FastTrack to the next violent uprising in the US?
>
> I am curious what people on this particular list think is about to
> happen.
> After 12 years featuring the formal study of Twitter data I am
> completely burned out. Not on the challenges, nor the art and
> science of the tasks. I still love talking to students and faculty
> who have chosen Twitter as the object of their research. The data
> has never been more widely available and the positive uses of it
> can be inspiring.
>
> It's the voluminous amounts of hate I see in my own research. Also
> the systemic weaponization of Twitter against democratic systems
> of government globally. As an original Board Member and the
> Treasurer of a 501
> (c)(6)
> called "The Big Boulder Initiative" I was working as a liaison to
> academia with a group of industry people on the "long term
> preservation of the social data industry." The industry survived,
> but the ideals aspired to have not. We offered this 2-minute
> Lawrence Lessig-inspired vision of the challenges about 7 years
> ago:
>
> "Why Texifter Joined the Big Boulder Initiative"
>
>
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> Lessig was right. On the Internet, architecture is the most
> powerful regulator. The architecture of Twitter, with corporate
> ads featured on insurrectionist and other problematic timelines,
> is now a persistent threat to democratic systems of government
> without a single day of Musk governance. The insurrection January
> 6, 2021 was planned in the open on Twitter. There were
> advertisements from familiar brands in every seditious timeline.
> Evolving tactics using Twitter trains (tagging 30 like-minded
> users), notification-rich replies, the ReTweet functionality,
> gamification, domestic and foreign meme warfare, the idolatry of
> influence via misinformation, bots and trolls, as well as paid
> amplifiers of all manner and variety. The "digital soldiers" we
> found in the Canadian election of
> 2019 (fake Americans who hated Trudeau but liked RT, Russia Today
> and
> Southfront) were openly planning a QAnon-inspired "storm" which
> ultimately was the first coup attempt in two centuries of American
> democracy. I briefed the US/UK Intelligence Community (staff from
> the Joint Chiefs, JSOC, etc.) February 12, 2020 via the Strategic
> Multilayer Assessment using open source information from Twitter.
> Things have since gotten much worse, not better, since that
> briefing. These were the slides in early February
> 2020:
>
>
>
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> Looking at the current threat-relevant data, I have a
> sick-to-my-stomach feeling about the next 60 days in U.S. history.
> We may be late to notice the end of small "d" democracy is
> imminent or inevitable because of the Internet effects we cannot
> fully see, capture, measure, or control.
>
> --
> Dr. Stuart W. Shulman
> Founder and CEO, Texifter
> Editor Emeritus, *Journal of Information Technology & Politics*
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