[Air-L] fyi: Zoom claims right to use your sessions to train AI

[Mark Ackerman]

FYI. This is true only for non-enterprise accounts, according to Michael
Hess, UM school of information’s resident IT sage..  The enterprise license
has restrictions on how data can be used, and we (UM) has a standard data
protection agreement as well.

On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 1:29 PM Colin Delany via Air-L <
air-l at listserv.aoir.org> wrote:

> I suspect that the best chance of stopping this is publicity. The more
> media coverage of it, the better.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joseph Reagle via Air-L" <air-l at listserv.aoir.org>
> To: "Robert W Gehl" <lists at robertwgehl.org>, "air-l" <
> air-l at listserv.aoir.org>
> Sent: Monday, August 7, 2023 1:07:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [Air-L] fyi: Zoom claims right to use your sessions to train
> AI
>
> My hope is that large institutions -- such as universities -- have
> licenses that would not permit this...? ---Joseph
>
> On 8/7/23 11:35, Robert W Gehl via Air-L wrote:
> > Hi, rick --
> >
> > Thanks for sharing this. I saw your post on the fediverse, and following
> your lead, read the relevant section. In my professional opinion: Zoom's
> claim to our voice and face data for training AI is super gross.
> >
> > People may wonder: what do we do instead of Zoom? One answer I could
> point to is Nextcloud. I host my own Nextcloud server and I regularly use
> its Talk application to do video chats -- in fact, I just got off a call
> with an interviewee for my book project.
> >
> > For those of you who don't self-host and want to rely on university or
> institutional licenses, Nextcloud could be something to point to when you
> talk to your admins about where to go if Zoom is no longer attractive.
> >
> > There are obviously other alternatives (e.g., Jitsi) but I can
> personally say Nextcloud has done well for me.
> >
> > - Rob
> >
> > On 2023-08-07 07:47, Richard Forno via Air-L wrote:
> >> Hi folks -
> >>
> >> As I posted to rickf at indieweb.social <mailto:rickf at indieweb.social>
> yesterday, for those who may be using Zoom for teaching, research, external
> collaborations and/or personal meetings, please note that their latest
> terms of service (7/27/23) sections 10.1 - 10.4 seems to give them the
> right to use the audio/video/shared content from your Zoom sessions to
> train AI models.[1] I'm not aware of any opt-out to this collection.   This
> item began surfacing over the weekend so more coverage in the coming days
> is likely as the tech & privacy communities digest the potential legal,
> medical, educational, and IP ramifications of this practice.
> >>
> >> [1] https://explore.zoom.us/en/terms/
> >>
> >> Just providing a heads-up for AoIRistas concerned with how their
> (potentially sensitive) data, voice, and/or likeness - or those of their
> friends, family, students, or collaborators - may be used by a third
> party.  IIRC BlueSky claims something similar with content posted on that
> platform, but imo that's not as far-reaching or potentially invasive as
> this move by Zoom.
> >>
> >> <sigh> One wonders if there are any internet ethics folks employed &
> empowered @ these places anymore, but I'm not optimistic. :/
> >>
> >> -- rick
> >>
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