[Assam] Assam:FROM INDIA BUSINESS SCHOOLS --2

[Chan Mahanta]

Come right in Ram. But you are missing the point--by a mile :-).

>  >If one truly believe their roots are Indian and yearn for things home,
>good news about Indians advancing might actually bring some pride, if
>you will.

A: Going ga-ga over a handful of desis fortunate enough to have ESCAPED the
tentacles of Indian national incompetence, and 
shined elsewhere is very DIFFERENT from feeling 
good and crowing about those who are changing the 
face of  the country, the ex-pats left behind. 
The ex-pats'; successes and achievements not only 
are not an indicator of the state back home, in 
fact it is a stark reminder of what could have 
been but isn't. These achievers are cut from the 
same cloth and they walked out of the same 
gene-pool that millions still are stuck in, 
dangling slowly in the desi-doldrums. It is 
therefore NOT extra-ordinary individual gift and 
diligence that made the difference for the 
escapees,( something therefore the rest are 
deprived of one might construe)-- it is the 
environment that allowed them to flourish, an 
environment India has utterly failed to create, 
and there is no perceptible trend for change 
either.


>  >This is NO different than when we feel proud and elated when we find
>Assamese making great strides in the world. Even Assamese, who don't
>consider themselves Indian or having roots there, do it all the time.
>And so do, people from other countries - all the way to China.

*** Same story again. You are confusing our 
fellowship, our kinship--be it cultural, be it 
racial, be it linguistic, be it nationalistic or 
be it merely :-) human -- taking delight in a 
fellow whatchmacallit's successes or 
achievements. It is very different from waving 
such successes and achievements as a proof of a 
class renewal or of class progress or of national 
achievements.

That is the difference.


>  >You could have a point there. But then, we see Hispanics go ga-ga over
>Cinco-de-Mayo stuff, or you see the St. Patricks dat (wear green).

*** This is much too far removed from our subject 
to even discuss. Entirely different animal, this.



>  >he difference
>being for you it may that the success stories must be from Assamese to
>feel any sort of elation, while for Bhuban da and others it is
>Indians, and more so if it is Assamese.


*** Nice try Ram :-). But no cigar!


c-da



At 10:18 AM -0500 8/26/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
>C'da,
>
>If I may butt in.
>
>>Even though I don't consider the syndrome 
>>malevolent, I find it >quite tacky. I will be 
>>the first one to acknowledge a fellow 
>>person's >success. But would I want to wrap 
>>myself up with the reflected >glow of his or 
>>her celebrity, like we see desis do so often, 
>>all over >this darned internet and in the 
>>desi-media?
>
>I have also heard things along that thought sometimes. This really
>depends on where you are coming from. Let me explain:
>
>If one truly believe their roots are Indian and yearn for things home,
>good news about Indians advancing might actually bring some pride, if
>you will.
>
>This is NO different than when we feel proud and elated when we find
>Assamese making great strides in the world. Even Assamese, who don't
>consider themselves Indian or having roots there, do it all the time.
>And so do, people from other countries - all the way to China.
>
>>Could it be due to a debilitating national 
>>inferiority complex,self doubt, no doubt born 
>>of centuries of colonial subjugation;that 
>>when >some-one of  their kind gets noticed by 
>>their once-tormentors, they >think, finally 
>>they  have arrived, they are getting RESPECT ?
>
>You could have a point there. But then, we see Hispanics go ga-ga over
>Cinco-de-Mayo stuff, or you see the St. Patricks dat (wear green).
>
>This elation you talk about is there in all of us. The difference
>being for you it may that the success stories must be from Assamese to
>feel any sort of elation, while for Bhuban da and others it is
>Indians, and more so if it is Assamese.
>
>--Ram
>
>
>
>
>
>
>On 8/26/06, Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:
>>
>>BK:
>>
>>
>>Another thing:
>>
>>>As Indians, we feel happy to get good news about our expatriate friends in
>>spite of the ground realities of which I am >keenly aware.
>>
>>
>>*** I am curious about this "us Indians" thingie.
>>
>>I have always wondered WHY Indians like you ( I say you, because I don't
>>consider myself either an Indian and certainly not one like you describe
>>:-)) get so euphoric about it, and often extend the euphoria to include all
>>their kind, even though you don't?
>>
>>
>>Could it be due to a debilitating national inferiority complex,self doubt,
>>no doubt born of centuries of colonial subjugation;that when some-one of
>>their kind gets noticed by their once-tormentors, they think, finally they
>>have arrived, they are getting RESPECT ?
>>
>>And could the same affliction be the reason for so many Kharkhowas'
>>inferiority complex and self-doubt? This time born out of dependence on and
>>similar subjugation of Indian colonialism in Assam, even though the latter
>>may not be as overt as British colonialism was, but more insidious and
>>pervasive?
>>
>>Even though I don't consider the syndrome malevolent, I find it quite tacky.
>>I will be the first one to acknowledge a fellow person's success. But would
>>I want to wrap myself up with the reflected glow of his or her celebrity,
>>like we see desis do so often, all over this darned internet and in the
>>desi-media?
>>
>>Would you?
>>
>>Does it reflect a paucity of individualism that so plague desis?
>>
>>Best.
>>
>>c
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>At 5:09 AM +0100 8/26/06, umesh sharma wrote:
>>
>>BBaruah at aol.com wrote:
>>Chandan/Umesh
>>
>>As Indians, we feel happy to get good news about our expatriate friends in
>>spite of the ground realities of which I am keenly aware. Have no intention
>>to make a song and dance about it.
>>
>>Most able will race ahead, whether it is USA or Namti.  Despite barriers
>>like age, sex, colour, creed,  want of  prescribed qualifications, family
>>connections, etc.  This particular kind of ability â*" I am speaking from
>>experience â*" some of us do possess, particularly in India.
>>
>>Bhuban
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