[Assam] Fw: Hindu-Christian Big-Bang Theory
Himendra Thakur
hthakur at comcast.net
Thu Jun 1 20:19:20 PDT 2006
Dear Rajib,
I mentioned Charvaka to show that "Sanatan Path" (also known as "Hinduism") does not reject anybody.
Following a path of materialism, Charvaka and his followers arrived at a "reductio ad absurdum" where the famous line got attributed to Charvaka "yavat jivet sukham jivet, rinam kritwa ghritang pivet" --- "live with pleasure as long as you have life, borrow money to drink ghee"
This conclusion did not resolve the problem --- how long people would supply ghee to Charvaka followers without payment? How a ghee producer would pay his bills?
Following a path of spiritualism, the Hindu Sannyasi & Buddhist monks led a parasitic life depending upon donations of hardworking people. In 1959-Tibet, 90% population were lama, whereas 10% worked hard to produce all the food & supplies. In India also, number of Sannyasi keeps on exploding from time to time.
Apparently, both path of materialism or path of spiritualism led to the same quandary.
In Bhagavadgita, Shrikrishna advocated a path of Work --- please see the appended 319-word "Abstract" of my article. Please let me know if it makes sense.
I'll post more details about Charvaka when I find the material.
With love to everybody,
Himendra
APPENDIX:
FROM NIRVANA TO LOKASANGRAHA:
THE TRIUMPH OF
HUMAN CONSCIOUSNESS
an article by
Himendra Thakur
AN ABSTRACT
Human Consciousness, though intrinsic, became obvious when a caveman etched a hunting graphic on a cave wall --- precursor of Leonardo Da Vinci's paintings and scientific imaginations. Developing into a faculty of logic and science, Consciousness helps us today travel with our mind two million light years to the Galaxy of Andromeda. When we look back, the Earth appears as a mere dust particle. Our existence continues as dust particles, getting arranged and rearranged at every birth and death.
That is how Shrikrishna started his teaching in the second chapter of Bhagavadgita. In a universe of dancing particles, one can see the soul within the Self with the antarjyoti (inner light) of the Consciousness. Shrikrishna shows the path of stabilized intelligence --- sthitaprajna. The next step is nirvana, complete emancipation, where the chapter ends.
The third chapter of Bhagavadgita begins with the most intriguing question: If I can attain nirvana in this path, why are you instigating me into work? The answer is Absolute: You shall work because you are a part of Nature ----- which is always active.
Unfortunately, blind work under the forces of Nature creates bondage and the freedom of nirvana is lost. To remain free, Shrikrishna teaches to work without surrendering to the blind natural instincts, without attachment and without concern for results. However, the perception of cause and effect that connects work to its result turns "unattached work" into an enigma: this is resolved by Shrikrishna with the unique concept of "lokasangraha."
Lokasangraha is to run selflessly the affairs of the world --- samsara-yajna --- by taking care of each other in the society with affection, compassion and truth, the daivi sampada that Shrikrishna ordained in the later chapters of Bhagavadgita. For nirvana, one need not give up the world. Work for lokasangraha does not create bondage.
It is verily the triumph of Human Consciousness that the wisdom of nirvana inevitably flows into lokasangraha.
[END]
----- Original Message -----
From: umesh sharma
To: Rajib Das ; Himendra Thakur ; Barua25
Cc: assam at assamnet.org
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 10:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Hindu-Christian Big-Bang Theory
I think his folowers did not believe in God -and they were a Hindu sect. Also they said borrow money today to drink ghee (buuter) -don't bother about tomorrow!!
Umesh
Rajib Das <rajibdas at yahoo.com> wrote:
Can anyone elucidate on Charvaka a bit more? I did the
Wiki thing and would like for someone to explain it a
bit more.
--- Himendra Thakur wrote:
> Dear Barua,
>
> Sanatana Path --- which is called "Hinduism" by
> others --- is an "Eternal Way of Life" --- the word
> "religion" is a misnomer because it is so different.
>
> Knowing that no idea is perfect, the Sanatana Path
> accepts all ideas --- from worshipping a tree to
> meditating about Nirvana.The central core is
> universal love --- "yadeva kham tadeva kam iti" ---
> Whatever is Sky so is Love --- I see this as the
> Fifth Mahavakya of India.
>
> I request netters to tabulate the other four
> Mahavakya (Great Sayings) of Upanishad and discuss
> about it. Like you have said "This is very important
> for Hindus to know."
>
> With love to everybody,
> Himendra
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Barua25
> To: Himendra Thakur
> Cc: assam at assamnet.org ;
> umesh.sh05 at post.harvard.edu ; Pankaj Saharia ; Dilip
> K. Datta
> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 8:46 PM
> Subject: Re: Hindu-Christian Big-Bang Theory
>
>
> Himenda:
> Yes the message was posted in assam.net. May be
> you missed it.
> Thank you for your support of the Vedic view of
> origin of the universe which does not supports an
> almighty God.
> This is very important for Hindus to know. If we
> accept this view, God actually become irrelevant in
> our life and Buddhism becomes very close to
> Hinduism.
>
> The truth is that the world is running on its own
> automatically eternally without any operator
> controlling it. It is running under the Law of
> 'karmic cause and effect' and by what is called the
> law of 'dependent origination'. If there is a God
> it will have to be invented by man.
>
> Besides Buddhism, as you have pointed out Sankhya
> Philosophy also states the same view and supports
> modern science.
>
> RB
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Himendra Thakur
> To: Barua25
> Cc: assam at assamnet.org ;
> umesh.sh05 at post.harvard.edu ; Pankaj Saharia ; Dilip
> K. Datta
> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 5:08 AM
> Subject: Re: Hindu-Christian Big-Bang Theory
>
>
> Dear Rajen,
>
> Thank you for this wonderful piece. I really
> congratulate you ! And, this came from Rik Veda, the
> First Book of humankind!!
>
> I hope other netters will discuss and elucidate
> this teaching of "Hinduism" --- the word "Hinduism"
> or "Hindu" is not there in any ancient "Hindu"
> scriptures. This is a name the west-asians
> originated much later. I think we should use
> "Sanatana Path" --- this is open to discussion.
>
> A discussion about Charvaka also will enrich the
> Assam-net.
>
> And, then a homage to Lord Buddha !
>
> I also request you to elaborate on Sankhya
> philosophy which is so close to "Particle Physics"
> ---- no wonder Bhagavadgita started with this !
>
> With the best wishes,
> Himendra
>
> ---- Original Message -----
> From: Barua25
> To: Himendra Thakur
> Cc: assam at assamnet.org ;
> umesh.sh05 at post.harvard.edu ; Pankaj Saharia ; Dilip
> K. Datta
> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 5:02 PM
> Subject: Re: Hindu-Christian Big-Bang Theory
>
>
> "veda yadi va na veda"
> Yes, the Nasadiya Sukta ends with a
> questioning....
>
> But, after all, who knows, and who can say
> Whence it all came, and how creation happened?
> The gods themselves are later than creation,
> so who knows truly whence it has arisen?
>
> Whence all creation had its origin,
> he, whether he fashioned it or whether he did
> not,
> he, who surveys it all from highest heaven,
> he knows - or maybe even he does not know.
>
> Meaning: "After all, who really knows what
> happened and who can presume to tell it? What is the
> origin of creation? For, even the Gods themselves
> are younger than it. He whether he created it or did
> not, He who surveys it all from the highest heaven,
> He knows - or maybe even he does not!"
>
> This end-refrain, states that even the Supreme
> being also may be ignorant of the mystery of
> creation. This actually goes to supports the
> Buddhist view that the universe was not created by
> God but is eternal. If that is the case, Buddhist
> view is more correct that God is irrelevent in
> Hinduism also. After all we donot need a God who
> does not know how the universe was created and who
> is not almighty.
>
> This is what I say that theism is rather very
> week in Hindusim. In Hindusim we donot find a strong
> almighty God who is in charge of things like
> Judio-Christianity. This means the there is a higher
> realty, higher than Brahman, higher than the God of
> Gita.
>
> I would like to know what do you think is the
> Hindu view of supreme God. Is he almighty or not?
>
> >Hinduism accepted Buddha. Hinduism accepted
> Charvaka.
>
> Please not that it is not the same as
> statement: Hinduism accepted Buddhism and Carvaksim.
> If you find a book please show where it tells that
> Hindusim believes in Buddhism and Charvakaism.
>
> I wonder what the new definition of the
> Hindusim as resolved in California ended up with?
> Does it say that Hindusim believe as well not in a
> supreme God, and that in Hinduism the supreme God is
> not almighty God?
>
> These are questions for discussions.
>
> RB
> > _______________________________________________
> assam mailing list
> assam at assamnet.org
>
http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
>
__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
http://mail.yahoo.com
_______________________________________________
assam mailing list
assam at assamnet.org
http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
Umesh Sharma
5121 Lackawanna ST
College Park, MD 20740
1-202-215-4328 [Cell Phone]
Ed.M. - International Education Policy
Harvard Graduate School of Education,
Harvard University,
Class of 2005
weblog: http://jaipurschool.bihu.in/
Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.assamnet.org/pipermail/assam-assamnet.org/attachments/20060601/c412c203/attachment.htm>
More information about the Assam
mailing list