[Assam] Fw: Hindu-Christian Big-Bang Theory

Fri Jun 2 11:27:00 PDT 2006

Dear Rajib,

These are very pertinent points. I hope everyone will participate in the
discussion. I'll be away from the net for a few days, after which I'll join.

With love to everybody,
Himendra

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rajib Das" <rajibdas at yahoo.com>
To: "Himendra Thakur" <hthakur at comcast.net>
Cc: <umesh.sh05 at post.harvard.edu>; "Barua25" <barua25 at hotmail.com>;
<assam at assamnet.org>
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 1:59 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: [Assam] Hindu-Christian Big-Bang Theory

> Is it just live life with pleasure that is at the core
> of Charvaka philosophy? Or is there more to it - find
> balance of material and spiritual pursuits? Or be
> truthful, have integrity, freedom etc. are central to
> it?
>
> Was it historically a rebuff of Brahminism as much as
> Buddhism was except along different parameters?
>
> And then again, does Sikhism suggest that one should
> work hard and enjoy the fruits of his labor? Is that
> why Punjabis are hardworking farmers?
>
> And in that specific context does Charvaka have any
> similarity with Sikhism?
>
> --- Himendra Thakur <hthakur at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > Dear Rajib,
> >
> > I mentioned Charvaka to show that "Sanatan Path"
> > (also known as "Hinduism") does not reject anybody.
> >
> > Following a path of materialism, Charvaka and his
> > followers arrived at a "reductio ad absurdum" where
> > the famous line got attributed to Charvaka "yavat
> > jivet sukham jivet, rinam kritwa ghritang pivet" ---
> > "live with pleasure as long as you have life, borrow
> > money to drink ghee"
> >
> > This conclusion did not resolve the problem --- how
> > long people would supply ghee to Charvaka followers
> > without payment? How a ghee producer would pay his
> > bills?
> >
> > Following a path of spiritualism, the Hindu Sannyasi
> > & Buddhist monks led a parasitic life depending upon
> > donations of hardworking people. In 1959-Tibet, 90%
> > population were lama, whereas 10% worked hard to
> > produce all the food & supplies. In India also,
> > number of Sannyasi keeps on exploding from time to
> > time.
> >
> > Apparently,  both path of materialism or path of
> > spiritualism led to the same quandary.
> >
> > In Bhagavadgita, Shrikrishna advocated a path of
> > Work --- please see the appended 319-word "Abstract"
> > of my article. Please let me know if it makes sense.
> >
> > I'll post more details about Charvaka when I find
> > the material.
> >
> > With love to everybody,
> > Himendra
> >
> > APPENDIX:
> > FROM NIRVANA TO LOKASANGRAHA:
> >
> > THE TRIUMPH OF
> >
> > HUMAN CONSCIOUSNESS
> >
> >
> >
> > an article by
> >
> > Himendra Thakur
> >
> >
> >
> > AN ABSTRACT
> >
> >
> >
> > Human Consciousness, though intrinsic, became
> > obvious when a caveman etched a hunting graphic on a
> > cave wall --- precursor of Leonardo Da Vinci's
> > paintings and scientific imaginations. Developing
> > into a faculty of logic and science, Consciousness
> > helps us today travel with our mind two million
> > light years to the Galaxy of Andromeda. When we look
> > back, the Earth appears as a mere dust particle. Our
> > existence continues as dust particles, getting
> > arranged and rearranged at every birth and death.
> >
> >
> >
> > That is how Shrikrishna started his teaching in the
> > second chapter of Bhagavadgita. In a universe of
> > dancing particles, one can see the soul within the
> > Self with the antarjyoti (inner light) of the
> > Consciousness. Shrikrishna shows the path of
> > stabilized intelligence --- sthitaprajna. The next
> > step is nirvana, complete emancipation, where the
> > chapter ends.
> >
> >
> >
> > The third chapter of Bhagavadgita begins with the
> > most intriguing question: If I can attain nirvana in
> > this path, why are you instigating me into work? The
> > answer is Absolute: You shall work because you are a
> > part of Nature ----- which is always active.
> >
> >
> >
> > Unfortunately, blind work under the forces of Nature
> > creates bondage and the freedom of nirvana is lost.
> > To remain free, Shrikrishna teaches to work without
> > surrendering to the blind natural instincts, without
> > attachment and without concern for results. However,
> > the perception of cause and effect that connects
> > work to its result turns "unattached work" into an
> > enigma: this is resolved by Shrikrishna with the
> > unique concept of "lokasangraha."
> >
> >
> >
> > Lokasangraha is to run selflessly the affairs of the
> > world --- samsara-yajna --- by taking care of each
> > other in the society with affection, compassion and
> > truth, the daivi sampada that Shrikrishna ordained
> > in the later chapters of Bhagavadgita. For nirvana,
> > one need not give up the world. Work for
> > lokasangraha does not create bondage.
> >
> >
> >
> > It is verily the triumph of Human Consciousness that
> > the wisdom of nirvana inevitably flows into
> > lokasangraha.
> >
> >
> >
> > [END]
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: umesh sharma
> > To: Rajib Das ; Himendra Thakur ; Barua25
> > Cc: assam at assamnet.org
> > Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 10:38 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Assam] Hindu-Christian Big-Bang Theory
> >
> >
> > I think his folowers did not believe in God -and
> > they were a Hindu sect. Also they said borrow money
> > today to drink ghee (buuter) -don't bother about
> > tomorrow!!
> >
> > Umesh
> >
> > Rajib Das <rajibdas at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >   Can anyone elucidate on Charvaka a bit more? I did
> > the
> >   Wiki thing and would like for someone to explain
> > it a
> >   bit more.
> >
> >   --- Himendra Thakur wrote:
> >
> >   > Dear Barua,
> >   >
> >   > Sanatana Path --- which is called "Hinduism" by
> >   > others --- is an "Eternal Way of Life" --- the
> > word
> >   > "religion" is a misnomer because it is so
> > different.
> >   >
> >   > Knowing that no idea is perfect, the Sanatana
> > Path
> >   > accepts all ideas --- from worshipping a tree to
> >   > meditating about Nirvana.The central core is
> >   > universal love --- "yadeva kham tadeva kam iti"
> > ---
> >   > Whatever is Sky so is Love --- I see this as the
> >   > Fifth Mahavakya of India.
> >   >
> >   > I request netters to tabulate the other four
> >   > Mahavakya (Great Sayings) of Upanishad and
> > discuss
> >   > about it. Like you have said "This is very
> > important
> >   > for Hindus to know."
> >   >
> >   > With love to everybody,
> >   > Himendra
> >   >
> >   >
> >   >
> >   >
> >   >
> >   >
> >   > ----- Original Message -----
> >   > From: Barua25
> >   > To: Himendra Thakur
> >   > Cc: assam at assamnet.org ;
> >   > umesh.sh05 at post.harvard.edu ; Pankaj Saharia ;
> > Dilip
> >   > K. Datta
> >   > Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 8:46 PM
> >   > Subject: Re: Hindu-Christian Big-Bang Theory
> >   >
> >   >
> >   > Himenda:
> >   > Yes the message was posted in assam.net. May be
> >   > you missed it.
> >   > Thank you for your support of the Vedic view of
> >   > origin of the universe which does not supports
> > an
> >   > almighty God.
> >   > This is very important for Hindus to know. If we
> >   > accept this view, God actually become irrelevant
> > in
> >   > our life and Buddhism becomes very close to
> >   > Hinduism.
> >   >
> >
> === message truncated ===
>
>
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