[Assam] Fw: Hindu-Christian Big-Bang Theory

Fri Jun 2 18:43:40 PDT 2006

so we have now gone on to discuss the current credit card culture!

  From Himendra-da's remarks:
  "Following a path of materialism, Charvaka and his
> followers arrived at a "reductio ad absurdum" where
> the famous line got attributed to Charvaka "yavat
> jivet sukham jivet, rinam kritwa ghritang pivet" ---
> "live with pleasure as long as you have life, borrow
> money to drink ghee" 
> 
> This conclusion did not resolve the problem --- how
> long people would supply ghee to Charvaka followers
> without payment? How a ghee producer would pay his
> bills?"

  Umesh

Rajib Das <rajibdas at yahoo.com> wrote:
  Is it just live life with pleasure that is at the core
of Charvaka philosophy? Or is there more to it - find
balance of material and spiritual pursuits? Or be
truthful, have integrity, freedom etc. are central to
it?

Was it historically a rebuff of Brahminism as much as
Buddhism was except along different parameters?

And then again, does Sikhism suggest that one should
work hard and enjoy the fruits of his labor? Is that
why Punjabis are hardworking farmers?

And in that specific context does Charvaka have any
similarity with Sikhism?

--- Himendra Thakur wrote:

> Dear Rajib,
> 
> I mentioned Charvaka to show that "Sanatan Path"
> (also known as "Hinduism") does not reject anybody. 
> 
> Following a path of materialism, Charvaka and his
> followers arrived at a "reductio ad absurdum" where
> the famous line got attributed to Charvaka "yavat
> jivet sukham jivet, rinam kritwa ghritang pivet" ---
> "live with pleasure as long as you have life, borrow
> money to drink ghee" 
> 
> This conclusion did not resolve the problem --- how
> long people would supply ghee to Charvaka followers
> without payment? How a ghee producer would pay his
> bills?
> 
> Following a path of spiritualism, the Hindu Sannyasi
> & Buddhist monks led a parasitic life depending upon
> donations of hardworking people. In 1959-Tibet, 90%
> population were lama, whereas 10% worked hard to
> produce all the food & supplies. In India also,
> number of Sannyasi keeps on exploding from time to
> time. 
> 
> Apparently, both path of materialism or path of
> spiritualism led to the same quandary. 
> 
> In Bhagavadgita, Shrikrishna advocated a path of
> Work --- please see the appended 319-word "Abstract"
> of my article. Please let me know if it makes sense.
> 
> I'll post more details about Charvaka when I find
> the material.
> 
> With love to everybody,
> Himendra
> 
> APPENDIX:
> FROM NIRVANA TO LOKASANGRAHA:
> 
> THE TRIUMPH OF
> 
> HUMAN CONSCIOUSNESS
> 
> 
> 
> an article by
> 
> Himendra Thakur
> 
> 
> 
> AN ABSTRACT 
> 
> 
> 
> Human Consciousness, though intrinsic, became
> obvious when a caveman etched a hunting graphic on a
> cave wall --- precursor of Leonardo Da Vinci's
> paintings and scientific imaginations. Developing
> into a faculty of logic and science, Consciousness
> helps us today travel with our mind two million
> light years to the Galaxy of Andromeda. When we look
> back, the Earth appears as a mere dust particle. Our
> existence continues as dust particles, getting
> arranged and rearranged at every birth and death. 
> 
> 
> 
> That is how Shrikrishna started his teaching in the
> second chapter of Bhagavadgita. In a universe of
> dancing particles, one can see the soul within the
> Self with the antarjyoti (inner light) of the
> Consciousness. Shrikrishna shows the path of
> stabilized intelligence --- sthitaprajna. The next
> step is nirvana, complete emancipation, where the
> chapter ends.
> 
> 
> 
> The third chapter of Bhagavadgita begins with the
> most intriguing question: If I can attain nirvana in
> this path, why are you instigating me into work? The
> answer is Absolute: You shall work because you are a
> part of Nature ----- which is always active. 
> 
> 
> 
> Unfortunately, blind work under the forces of Nature
> creates bondage and the freedom of nirvana is lost.
> To remain free, Shrikrishna teaches to work without
> surrendering to the blind natural instincts, without
> attachment and without concern for results. However,
> the perception of cause and effect that connects
> work to its result turns "unattached work" into an
> enigma: this is resolved by Shrikrishna with the
> unique concept of "lokasangraha." 
> 
> 
> 
> Lokasangraha is to run selflessly the affairs of the
> world --- samsara-yajna --- by taking care of each
> other in the society with affection, compassion and
> truth, the daivi sampada that Shrikrishna ordained
> in the later chapters of Bhagavadgita. For nirvana,
> one need not give up the world. Work for
> lokasangraha does not create bondage. 
> 
> 
> 
> It is verily the triumph of Human Consciousness that
> the wisdom of nirvana inevitably flows into
> lokasangraha.
> 
> 
> 
> [END] 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: umesh sharma 
> To: Rajib Das ; Himendra Thakur ; Barua25 
> Cc: assam at assamnet.org 
> Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 10:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [Assam] Hindu-Christian Big-Bang Theory
> 
> 
> I think his folowers did not believe in God -and
> they were a Hindu sect. Also they said borrow money
> today to drink ghee (buuter) -don't bother about
> tomorrow!!
> 
> Umesh
> 
> Rajib Das wrote:
> Can anyone elucidate on Charvaka a bit more? I did
> the
> Wiki thing and would like for someone to explain
> it a
> bit more.
> 
> --- Himendra Thakur wrote:
> 
> > Dear Barua,
> > 
> > Sanatana Path --- which is called "Hinduism" by
> > others --- is an "Eternal Way of Life" --- the
> word
> > "religion" is a misnomer because it is so
> different.
> > 
> > Knowing that no idea is perfect, the Sanatana
> Path 
> > accepts all ideas --- from worshipping a tree to
> > meditating about Nirvana.The central core is
> > universal love --- "yadeva kham tadeva kam iti"
> ---
> > Whatever is Sky so is Love --- I see this as the
> > Fifth Mahavakya of India.
> > 
> > I request netters to tabulate the other four
> > Mahavakya (Great Sayings) of Upanishad and
> discuss
> > about it. Like you have said "This is very
> important
> > for Hindus to know."
> > 
> > With love to everybody,
> > Himendra
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: Barua25 
> > To: Himendra Thakur 
> > Cc: assam at assamnet.org ;
> > umesh.sh05 at post.harvard.edu ; Pankaj Saharia ;
> Dilip
> > K. Datta 
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 8:46 PM
> > Subject: Re: Hindu-Christian Big-Bang Theory
> > 
> > 
> > Himenda:
> > Yes the message was posted in assam.net. May be
> > you missed it.
> > Thank you for your support of the Vedic view of
> > origin of the universe which does not supports
> an
> > almighty God.
> > This is very important for Hindus to know. If we
> > accept this view, God actually become irrelevant
> in
> > our life and Buddhism becomes very close to
> > Hinduism.
> > 
> 
=== message truncated ===

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