[Assam] beef-eating in india -myth of Jesus, Muhhamad, Moses etc

[Barua25]

>Barua -Are you an atheist or a believer of some religion ? :-)

That is what I want to know. Can't an atheist believe in his own God-less religion? Can't there be a religion without God? I think even Hindusim does not believe in a Creator God since Hinduism does not believe that the Universe has an origin. The Hindu God (Brahma, Vishnu, Maheswara) is suborninate to Brahman. According to Rig Veda even God does not know how the Universe was created. Does it mean that a true Hindu who believe in the Rig Veda is actually an atheist?
RB
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Ram Sarangapani 
  To: Rajen Barua 
  Cc: umesh.sh05 at post.harvard.edu ; xourov at yahoo.com ; assam at assamnet.org 
  Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 11:36 PM
  Subject: Re: [Assam] beef-eating in india -myth of Jesus, Muhhamad, Moses etc


  Hehehe!

  There is absolutely no way to prove or disprove the existence of God or "genuine incarnations'

  And to the question of  "That they have not done that, shows that either there is no God or they were fake incarnations, and guys like you are trying their best to believe something which is not true." 

  Does this pertain only to Hindu beliefs or does your theory also transcend to other religions like Christianity, Islam and Buddhism?

  I think, you are missing a very important ingredient of all religions: ie the concept of faith. All religions are based upon and survive on this concept.

  In Buddhism (some forms at least), for example, the existence of God is not there. So, then the question of course becomes, why do Buddhists believe in the Buddha, pray to him, celebrate him etc. After all he was just a man, and why should modern men, after so many centuries bow down to a celestial Buddha? 

  One can well argue that him sitting under a tree for many years and attaining nirvana is all hog-wash - no human (from all we know) can perform such a feat, where termites and ants built mounds on the Buddha, let alone the concept of some claim to the attainment of "nirvana". 

  I hope you are not trying to tell us some religions are better than others? Either one believes in a religion or not at all - I can accept that. 
  Its a good possibility that there were atleast  "people" known as Ram & Krishna of Hinduism. You probably think their elevations to celestial beings are fake. If that is true, then so are Christ, Mohammad, and Buddha. True atheists would lay their belief systems on solid or scientific proof. 
  Barua, I think you are trying very hard to place bets everywhere. Sometimes, you have to make a choice - Are you an atheist or a believer of some religion ? :-)

  --Ram





   
  On 6/19/06, Rajen Barua <barua25 at hotmail.com> wrote: 
    Umesh:

    Frankly speaking, I doubt if God will help you.

    If Rama and Krishna were genuine incarnations of God, they would have, by  this time, established themselves firmly their positions against Western Christian critics. That they have not done that, shows that either there is no God or they were fake incarnations, and guys like you are trying their best to believe something which is not true. 

    What do you say? Do you think God is partial to Christianity?

    RB



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      From: umesh sharma <jaipurschool at yahoo.com>
      Reply-To: umesh.sh05 at post.harvard.edu
      To: Rajen & Ajanta Barua <barua25 at hotmail.com>, xourov pathok < xourov at yahoo.com>, Ram Sarangapani < assamrs at gmail.com>
      CC: assam at assamnet.org

    Subject: Re: [Assam] beef-eating in india -myth of Jesus, Muhhamad, Moses etc

    Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:12:16 +0100 (BST)



    well I agree to that.

    I need God's help again.

    after eating Chinese dish -which did not mention what was in it (i avoided seafood -since my last attack in Jan-for same reasons perhaps -though my students had eye flu too) I look Chinese too - eyes are mere slits. The rashes have gone but breathing is still heavy . 

    Umesh

    Rajen & Ajanta Barua <barua25 at hotmail.com> wrote:
      This means the Hindus will haqve to do some homework to establish 
      historicity of Rama and Krsuhna. This does not mean they are all myth, but 
      they have to prove otherwise.
      Compare these to Jesus.
      RB

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "xourov pathok" 
      To: ; "Ram Sarangapani" 
      Cc: 
      Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 7:47 PM 
      Subject: Re: [Assam] beef-eating in india -myth of Jesus, Muhhamad, Moses 
      etc


      >
      >
      > --- umesh sharma wrote:
      >
      >> Any comments about Mythical nature of Jesus, Moses
      >> or Muhammad? 
      >> There is NO historical proof that any of the above
      >> did any miraculous work to render them divine --like
      >> resurrection of Christ, parting the waves crossing
      >> the Red sea by Moses etc --yet despite the stories 
      >> circulating around them which defy human logic -they
      >> are believed to have existed.
      >
      > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus
      >
      >
      >> Why not about Ram or Krishna ( recently they have
      >> even found an underwater city -adjacent Dwarka-
      >> established by Krishna -as mentioned in Mahabharat 
      >> and other Hindu texts) -despite some
      >> miraculous/illogical events?
      >
      > rama and krishna are given as much historicity as
      > possible, according to the evidence. the underwater
      > city they claim as dwarka is not confirmed. the 
      > problem is let alone dwarka, even hastinapur,
      > indraprastha etc have not been properly identified.
      > even though they have found settlements, they do not
      > correspond to cities, let alone grand cities as 
      > depicted in the epics. this does not negate the
      > possibility of a historical indraprastha, of course.
      > it simply means we have not found it yet.
      >
      >
      >
      >


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