[Assam] Bamiyan Statue & ATAN BURAGOHAIN SAKO

[Ram Sarangapani]

Hi C'da,

When you said 'Nothing' I was kinda taken aback. Of course, one does
acknowledge the contributions/influences of the invaders - some good, while
others not so good as you yourself alluded to in Bollywood movies and music.

If I am reading you correct, this 'nothing' would imply that before the
Moslem invasions, India as a country had little culture/music/language/ and
finesse to practically everything. It was the invaders who brought in their
superior knowledge and culture and taught the natives a thing or two about
the arts. And it was the Moslem influence put all these things on the World
map.

 >Tenga anza, alu-pitika with mitha tel, poita bhaat with pwra goroi >maas,
dosa, sambar and idli are wonderful. But Indian cuisine, as >the world knows
it, and modern Indians savor it, are not made up of >all those things.

Is this some divissive plot to label these as 'un-Indian' ? :-)

 >Manipuri dance, Xottriya naas, Oddissi, Bharatnatyam too are >wonderful.
But Bollywood dancing won't be anything without them >invaders' decadent
influences.

And, of course, Bollywood actually represent India.

>But Bollywood dancing won't be anything without them >invaders' >decadent
influences.

So, finally, are the invaders' influences decandent and India could have
done without, or were they such that Indian art forms, architecture, music,
culture etc have received world recognition(if any) wouldn't be worth a darn
if it wern't for the invasions?

:-)

--Ram


On 6/29/06, Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:
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> Unfortunately it it is too late to try and alter history, pathetic
> text-book revising not-withstanding. Trying to deny it is futile. Get used
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> Indian architecture, as the world knows it, is not represented by
> Meenakshi temple. Nor by the other great temples, which are architectural
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> But the Buddhist era structures are far better examples of ARCHITECTURE,
> that created SPACE. Hindu temple architecture never created SPACE, the
> singular test of what is architecture and what is not. Not to downplay the
> craftsmanship and carving skills -- it is remarkable. As was the genius of
> engineering in moving all that rock. But still, architecture strictly it
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> Indian music, again as the world knows it, is a fusion of what developed
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> sitar, or sarod, or Bollywood music without it. Again not to deny or
> downplay Carnatic forms or Oxomiya bihu-geet, but that is not what 'Indian
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> Tenga anza, alu-pitika with mitha tel, poita bhaat with pwra goroi maas,
> dosa, sambar and idli are wonderful. But Indian cuisine, as the world knows
> it, and modern Indians savor it, are not made up of all those things.
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> Manipuri dance, Xottriya naas, Oddissi, Bharatnatyam too are wonderful.
> But Bollywood dancing won't be anything without them invaders' decadent
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> There now! Get used to it Ram. Tending a slow burning fire of denial
> should be left to the zealots :-).
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> >BTW, Indian architecture ( like its music or its cuisine) would be
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> would remind people, lest the Hinduttwa induced >amnesia takes over.
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> NOTHING! Wow! Even its cuisine and music? How about art forms like
> Bharatanatyam, Oddissi, Manipuri dances or music like Carnatic music, or
> even our own Bihu songs etc.
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> As for cuisine - How about dosas, idlis, mas or tenga anjas etc.
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> About architecture (we discussed this before) - I find the Taj and
> structures like the Meenakshi temple (Madurai) equally fasinating, but am
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> All influenced by them invaders? Methinks India ought to be invaded more
> and more frequently by these great 'thinkers and movers'.
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> On 6/29/06,* Chan Mahanta* <cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:
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> >Demolishing of Bamiyan Buddha in Afghanistan on March 11, 2001, a
> precursor  of 911, is a well-known tradition of >Islamic supporters.* Mr.
> Chandan Mahanta demolished the ATAN BURAGOHAIN SAKO even "before" it was
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> Thanks for the recognition of my humble contribution to Oxomiya
> civilization. Yet another feather on my jaapi that I shall proudly wear :-).
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> Demolishing of Bamiyan Buddha in Afghanistan on March 11, 2001, a
> precursor  of 911, is a well-known tradition of Islamic supporters. Mr.
> Chandan Mahanta demolished the ATAN BURAGOHAIN SAKO even "before" it was
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> Has anybody any record as to how many Buddhist, Jain, Hindu and Jewish
> Temples and Christian Churches were demolished by supporters of Islam
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> As for Nehru's question "What Happened to Buddhism in India?" --- my
> answer is "Buddhism is there is India." Nehru had to "discover" India. He
> was never with India. In his process of discovering India, he missed a great
> deal of things, including the Advaita Philosophy. Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru
> proudly recorded in 1945 that he did not understand Advaita, probably to
> glorify his socialistic style which was rather an erroneous tunnel view of
> Marxism. Nehru went on using "monism" to mean Advaita to the last day of his
> life, whereas Advaita, with its* "tena tyaktena bhunjeethah"* was the
> highest form of socialism and Marxism.
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> Throughout his life, Nehru proved himself to be a very light minded
> individual. When Gopinath Bordoloi opposed the Cabinet Mission proposal
> where Assam was grouped in a pre-pakistani grouping, Nehru retorted "Assam
> must sacrifice for the greater cause of India." There are many more
> instances of Nehru's light talks. One was "thora kuch de do" to his cousin
> Teja.
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> Simple folks of India worship Buddha as an Avatar of Vishnu; they follow
> Buddha's teaching of love --- the simple folks of India do not reject
> anything --- a highest form of human wisdom --- a trait that was not seen by
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> outside, and China still has a inner resentment that India dominated her
> mind for 2000 years through Buddhism",   I must point out that Taoism of
> China [ Lao-Tse (604-531 BCE)]  is as old as Buddhism [ Buddha 536 -483
>  BCE]. The words like "resentment" "dominated" "imported from outside" are
> extremely mundane in Taoism, which is Advaita.
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> With the best wishes,
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