[Assam] Enemies of India are enemies of Assam
Chan Mahanta
cmahanta at charter.net
Tue Mar 7 15:40:50 PST 2006
>A strong country may simply mean that Assam may be safe from
>external attack from China. That is all.
*** In this day and age, this is not as much of an issue as it might
have been 50 years ago. Today, China cannot afford to go gobble up
another territory, without any semblance of historical /cultural or
economic affinity as an independent Assam. Even 35 years back China
had to back out from the territory that it occupied for a few weeks
or months-and that was not out of fear of India. Similarly for B'desh.
>A country may be very strong and secure, but that does nopt mean a
>state and the ethnic people within that state >within that counrty
>will be guranteed to survive.
*** That is an accurate observation, particularly in view of India's
well publicized policy of 'Indianization', read 'Hindification' ( and
to a large segment, including certain Oxomiyas--Hinduizaton) of those
who are not Hindi/Hindu enough. It is the same tack that Soviet
Russia pursued -- Russianization of its territories. I was surprised
to find Arunachalis attempting to speak to me in Hindi. Of course I
pleaded no-comprendo, just because I wanted to see what they would
try next. Fortunately at Bhalukpung they knew Oxomiya too.
*** The stronger India gets, the greater will be the pressure on its
not Hindi/Hindu enough colonies/territories/protectorates to submit
to the predominant language, cultural and religious domination. And
that not merely on its colonies, but all its smaller neighbors as
well.
*** And on benefits, we have a seen over fifty years the benefits
Assam got or getting today!
At 5:11 PM -0600 3/7/06, Rajen Barua wrote:
>Since you seem to have missed the point, let me try again.
>What I was trying ti imply was this.
>A country may be very strong and secure, but that does nopt mean a
>state and the ethnic people within that state within that counrty
>will be guranteed to survive.
>Forget the case of Assamese, let us take the case of the Tripuris.
>Do you think a strong India will mean anything to the Tripuris while
>they are loosing their own identity in front of the whole world.
>I was challeneging Hemenda's statement (now yours) from that angle.
>A strong country may simply mean that Assam may be safe from
>external attack from China. That is all.
>But Assamese people, like the Tripuris, may be loosing everything
>even inside the strongest India.
>For this where is the protection.
>So the statement
> >A strong, secure and united India is the geo-political
>guarantee >of the survival of Assam,
>is not correct.
>We are talking about survival not benefits.
>RB
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:assamrs at gmail.com>Ram Sarangapani
>To: <mailto:barua25 at hotmail.com>Rajen Barua
>Cc: <mailto:hthakur at comcast.net>Himendra Thakur ;
><mailto:cmahanta at charter.net>Chan Mahanta ;
><mailto:ibarua at yahoo.com>Indrajit Barua ;
><mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org
>Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 4:01 PM
>Subject: Re: [Assam] Enemies of India are enemies of Assam
>
> >A strong, secure and united India is the geo-political
>guarantee >of the survival of Assam, which is India.
>
>I am just going by this comment (and this comment only) by Himen da.
>
>If India is strong & united, it will be beneficial to all the states
>and the country as a whole. There is absolutely nothing wrong with
>that.
>
>Barua, you mentioned the leakages like the Cong. led govt., the BJP
>and even the AGP patronizing the illegal B'deshi population. I agree
>with you.
>And it exactly these kinds of leakages that have to plugged for
>India to remain and grow stronger. India as big as it is, and strong
>as it is, is dealt severe blows from within - anywhere from
>politicians, unscrupulous bureaucrats to insurgent elements and
>right wing religious fanatics.
>In that light, what Himen da says may be an aspiration and even a
>goal that India and Indians as whole must strive for.
>
> >Does it mean Assam's survival is guranteed?
>
>I am not exactly sure what that means. If it means that Assam may
>not be secure without India's protection, that could well be true.
>An Independent Assam (with all the inherent problems) may not be
>able to sustain itself and may actually slide into some form of
>anarchy.
>Now, if it means that will the continuous inflow of illegals, will
>Assam survive, then the answer to that would be for everyone to be
>aware the games that politicians and others are doing to court
>illegal B'deshi vote blocks, and thereby diluting the ethinic
>balance in Assam. The facts are illegals will (at this rate) one day
>be a majority in Assam. The sad part is this is happening under the
>very nose of the powers that be (and probably in connivance).
>The sadder part is that whenever the question of illegals come up,
>there are enough people (and some on this net) who would equate
>getting rid of or stemming the inflow of illegals as "anti-muslim".
>Nothing could be further from the truth. My take on this is if they
>are illegals, they need to be deported - irrespective of their
>religion. Illegals undermine the laws of Indian citizenship, and
>they undermine and take away jobs and the livlihood of the people of
>Assam. So the first criteria for deportation should be if they are
>illegals and not what religion they belong - which is besides the
>point.
>
> >Yes the net is hostile to loose comments.
>
>True, and thats why most frequent netters have grown a thick hide
>and it helps in other areas of life as well -:)
>
>Just my thoughts which ain't worth much anyway.
>
>--Ram
>
>
>
>On 3/7/06, Rajen Barua
><<mailto:barua25 at hotmail.com>barua25 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >A strong, secure and united India is the geo-political guarantee
>of the survival of Assam, which is India.
>
>First let us agree that we all have our different views and one may
>not agree with anybody.
>But at least for arguments sake, please think again what you are saying here.
> >A strong, secure and united India is the geo-political guarantee
>of the survival of Assam, which is India.
>Don't you think India is already not strong and secure?
>Does it mean Assam's survival is guranteed?
>That strong controller of that security, the Congress GOI is trying
>to change Foreigners detection Law in Assam for the benefit of the
>illegel immigrants against the judgement of Supreme court so that
>illegel Bangladeshis will stay in Assam.
>That strong controller of that security, BJP and even AGP, are
>symapthising with Bangladeshi immigtants to grant them land as
>refuges.
>In view of above, where does your theory that a A strong, secure and
>united India is the geo-political guarantee of the survival of Assam
>, stands?
>Please think carefully and comment.
>Please donot say, we need to do this or that.
>I am just making a comment of your comment and asking you to justify.
>Yes the net is hostile to loose comments.
>Rajen
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:hthakur at comcast.net>Himendra Thakur
>To: <mailto:cmahanta at charter.net>Chan Mahanta
>Cc: <mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org ;
><mailto:ibarua at yahoo.com>Indrajit Barua
>Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 11:38 AM
>Subject: [Assam] Enemies of India are enemies of Assam
>
>
>Dear Chandan,
>
>You are right to say One thing that jumps out is the preponderance
>of certain politically motivated views and assertions that keep
>appearing, even after being thoroughly debunked, refuted or
>discredited.
>
>It is now obvious that people who do not take any responsibility
>about what they say are spreading "politically motivated views"
> which are dangerous for Assam's survival.
>
>A strong, secure and united India is the geo-political guarantee of
>the survival of Assam, which is India.
>
>Enemies of India are enemies of Assam. However, the "politically
>motivated views" of these enemies are caught when they write phrases
>like "Civilian invasion by India" "Poor Bangladeshi "immigrants"
>looking for job" --- these are obviously biased & motivated opinions
>for the benefit of Bangladesh, which have been thoroughly debunked,
>refuted or discredited many times. .
>
>In the assam-net, even the Enemies of Assam should have their
>freedom of expression, but I am sure that the netters will be able
>to see the thinly covered political motivations of these
>irresponsible writers.
>
>With the best,
>Himendra
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:cmahanta at charter.net>Chan Mahanta
>To: <mailto:hthakur at comcast.net>Himendra Thakur ;
><mailto:jkk2020 at aim.com>jkk2020 at aim.com ;
><mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org
>Cc: <mailto:hthakur at comcast.net>hthakur at comcast.net ;
><mailto:umesh.sh05 at post.harvard.edu>umesh.sh05 at post.harvard.edu ;
><mailto:ibarua at yahoo.com>Indrajit Barua
>Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 10:13 AM
>Subject: Re: [Assam] Strong, secure, united INDIA
>
>
>Hi Himen-da,
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>Have time for comment only one point for now, even though many more
>deserve a response :-):
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>The atmosphere in assam-net has become very tense. Is this is a
>symptom of our internal despondency because we are in the verge of
>losing our beloved land?
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>*** If it is so, it is a result of the subject-matter being dealt
>with in the posts that we have seen. One thing that jumps out is the
>preponderance of certain politically motivated views and assertions
>that keep appearing, even after being thoroughly debunked, refuted
>or discredited. That is a sure-fire recipe to draw strident
>responses.
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>c
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