[Assam] Enemies of India are enemies of Assam
Chan Mahanta
cmahanta at charter.net
Wed Mar 8 05:20:36 PST 2006
> In fact as I cited, Congress GOI is acting against the people of
>Assam, and has been working against for last so >many decades.
*** And the REASON for this is ENTIRELY the desi-demokrasy model of
governance, further debauched by remote control of real state powers
usurped by Delhi.
Until this cycle is broken, 'oxomor nistar nai' ( Assam has no way out)!
At 11:27 PM -0600 3/7/06, Barua25 wrote:
> >What you are saying is Assamese (like the Tripuris) are losing
>their identity from within India. Am I correct?
>
>Even if we bring the factor of illegel Bangladeshis, a strong India,
>as one can see, absolutely mean nothing for the protection of the
>Assamese people. In fact as I cited, Congress GOI is acting against
>the people of Assam, and has been working against for last so many
>decades.
>
>In either case, the statement that >A strong, secure and united
>India is the geo-political guarantee >of the survival of Assam , is
>simply not true.
>
>That is my point.
>
>RB
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:assamrs at gmail.com>Ram Sarangapani
>To: <mailto:barua25 at hotmail.com>Rajen Barua
>Cc: <mailto:hthakur at comcast.net>Himendra Thakur ;
><mailto:cmahanta at charter.net>Chan Mahanta ;
><mailto:ibarua at yahoo.com>Indrajit Barua ;
><mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org
>Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 5:38 PM
>Subject: Re: [Assam] Enemies of India are enemies of Assam
>
>Thank you Barua for clarifying.
>
> >A strong country may simply mean that Assam may be safe from
>external >attack from China. That is all.
> >But Assamese people, like the Tripuris, may be loosing everything
>even inside >the strongest India.
> >For this where is the protection.
>
>Now, it looks like this is a different angle. I thought Himen da was
>refering to the illegal influx diluting the Assamese identity.
>
>But apparently, I missed the point. What you are saying is Assamese
>(like the Tripuris) are losing their identity from within India. Am
>I correct?
>
>I assume (you mean) the Assamese are losing their identity from the
>'main land'.
>
>If so, I have a few questions then:
>
>Is the 'invasion' from the main land more of a threat than that of
>illegal B'deshis?
>Has the Assamese language been replaced by Hindi (or Rajasthani or Bengali)?
>Culturally, have the Assamese lost the essence of Bihus, the Mekhala
>Chadors or foods?
>Economically, has the main land pillaged everything (tea, oil etc)
>and NOT paid back Assam?
>
>If all the answers are yes (as many would subscribe), then the
>question is would Assam actually be better off outside of India's
>control?
>Lastly, are you trying to curb the influence of the main land on
>Assam? If so, how do you plan to stem that (specially when many
>Assamese are so in tune with Hindi cinema, Bollywood, fashions,
>Hindi etc)?
>
>--Ram
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>On 3/7/06, Rajen Barua
><<mailto:barua25 at hotmail.com>barua25 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Since you seem to have missed the point, let me try again.
>What I was trying ti imply was this.
>A country may be very strong and secure, but that does nopt mean a
>state and the ethnic people within that state within that counrty
>will be guranteed to survive.
>Forget the case of Assamese, let us take the case of the Tripuris.
>Do you think a strong India will mean anything to the Tripuris while
>they are loosing their own identity in front of the whole world.
>I was challeneging Hemenda's statement (now yours) from that angle.
>A strong country may simply mean that Assam may be safe from
>external attack from China. That is all.
>But Assamese people, like the Tripuris, may be loosing everything
>even inside the strongest India.
>For this where is the protection.
>So the statement
> >A strong, secure and united India is the geo-political
>guarantee >of the survival of Assam ,
>is not correct.
>We are talking about survival not benefits.
>RB
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:assamrs at gmail.com>Ram Sarangapani
>To: <mailto:barua25 at hotmail.com>Rajen Barua
>Cc: <mailto:hthakur at comcast.net>Himendra Thakur ;
><mailto:cmahanta at charter.net>Chan Mahanta ;
><mailto:ibarua at yahoo.com>Indrajit Barua ;
><mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org
>Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 4:01 PM
>Subject: Re: [Assam] Enemies of India are enemies of Assam
>
>
> >A strong, secure and united India is the geo-political
>guarantee >of the survival of Assam, which is India.
>
>I am just going by this comment (and this comment only) by Himen da.
>
>If India is strong & united, it will be beneficial to all the states
>and the country as a whole. There is absolutely nothing wrong with
>that.
>
>Barua, you mentioned the leakages like the Cong. led govt., the BJP
>and even the AGP patronizing the illegal B'deshi population. I agree
>with you.
>And it exactly these kinds of leakages that have to plugged for
>India to remain and grow stronger. India as big as it is, and strong
>as it is, is dealt severe blows from within - anywhere from
>politicians, unscrupulous bureaucrats to insurgent elements and
>right wing religious fanatics.
>In that light, what Himen da says may be an aspiration and even a
>goal that India and Indians as whole must strive for.
>
> >Does it mean Assam's survival is guranteed?
>
>I am not exactly sure what that means. If it means that Assam may
>not be secure without India's protection, that could well be true.
>An Independent Assam (with all the inherent problems) may not be
>able to sustain itself and may actually slide into some form of
>anarchy.
>Now, if it means that will the continuous inflow of illegals, will
>Assam survive, then the answer to that would be for everyone to be
>aware the games that politicians and others are doing to court
>illegal B'deshi vote blocks, and thereby diluting the ethinic
>balance in Assam. The facts are illegals will (at this rate) one day
>be a majority in Assam. The sad part is this is happening under the
>very nose of the powers that be (and probably in connivance).
>The sadder part is that whenever the question of illegals come up,
>there are enough people (and some on this net) who would equate
>getting rid of or stemming the inflow of illegals as "anti-muslim".
>Nothing could be further from the truth. My take on this is if they
>are illegals, they need to be deported - irrespective of their
>religion. Illegals undermine the laws of Indian citizenship, and
>they undermine and take away jobs and the livlihood of the people of
>Assam. So the first criteria for deportation should be if they are
>illegals and not what religion they belong - which is besides the
>point.
>
> >Yes the net is hostile to loose comments.
>
>True, and thats why most frequent netters have grown a thick hide
>and it helps in other areas of life as well -:)
>
>Just my thoughts which ain't worth much anyway.
>
>--Ram
>
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>
>On 3/7/06, Rajen Barua
><<mailto:barua25 at hotmail.com>barua25 at hotmail.com > wrote:
>
> >A strong, secure and united India is the geo-political guarantee
>of the survival of Assam, which is India.
>
>First let us agree that we all have our different views and one may
>not agree with anybody.
>But at least for arguments sake, please think again what you are saying here.
> >A strong, secure and united India is the geo-political guarantee
>of the survival of Assam, which is India.
>Don't you think India is already not strong and secure?
>Does it mean Assam's survival is guranteed?
>That strong controller of that security, the Congress GOI is trying
>to change Foreigners detection Law in Assam for the benefit of the
>illegel immigrants against the judgement of Supreme court so that
>illegel Bangladeshis will stay in Assam.
>That strong controller of that security, BJP and even AGP, are
>symapthising with Bangladeshi immigtants to grant them land as
>refuges.
>In view of above, where does your theory that a A strong, secure and
>united India is the geo-political guarantee of the survival of Assam
>, stands?
>Please think carefully and comment.
>Please donot say, we need to do this or that.
>I am just making a comment of your comment and asking you to justify.
>Yes the net is hostile to loose comments.
>Rajen
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:hthakur at comcast.net>Himendra Thakur
>To: <mailto:cmahanta at charter.net>Chan Mahanta
>Cc: <mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org ;
><mailto:ibarua at yahoo.com>Indrajit Barua
>Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 11:38 AM
>Subject: [Assam] Enemies of India are enemies of Assam
>
>
>Dear Chandan,
>
>You are right to say One thing that jumps out is the preponderance
>of certain politically motivated views and assertions that keep
>appearing, even after being thoroughly debunked, refuted or
>discredited.
>
>It is now obvious that people who do not take any responsibility
>about what they say are spreading "politically motivated views"
> which are dangerous for Assam's survival.
>
>A strong, secure and united India is the geo-political guarantee of
>the survival of Assam, which is India.
>
>Enemies of India are enemies of Assam. However, the "politically
>motivated views" of these enemies are caught when they write phrases
>like "Civilian invasion by India" "Poor Bangladeshi "immigrants"
>looking for job" --- these are obviously biased & motivated opinions
>for the benefit of Bangladesh, which have been thoroughly debunked,
>refuted or discredited many times. .
>
>In the assam-net, even the Enemies of Assam should have their
>freedom of expression, but I am sure that the netters will be able
>to see the thinly covered political motivations of these
>irresponsible writers.
>
>With the best,
>Himendra
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:cmahanta at charter.net>Chan Mahanta
>To: <mailto:hthakur at comcast.net>Himendra Thakur ;
><mailto:jkk2020 at aim.com>jkk2020 at aim.com ;
><mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org
>Cc: <mailto:hthakur at comcast.net>hthakur at comcast.net ;
><mailto:umesh.sh05 at post.harvard.edu>umesh.sh05 at post.harvard.edu ;
><mailto:ibarua at yahoo.com>Indrajit Barua
>Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 10:13 AM
>Subject: Re: [Assam] Strong, secure, united INDIA
>
>
>Hi Himen-da,
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>Have time for comment only one point for now, even though many more
>deserve a response :-):
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>The atmosphere in assam-net has become very tense. Is this is a
>symptom of our internal despondency because we are in the verge of
>losing our beloved land?
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>*** If it is so, it is a result of the subject-matter being dealt
>with in the posts that we have seen. One thing that jumps out is the
>preponderance of certain politically motivated views and assertions
>that keep appearing, even after being thoroughly debunked, refuted
>or discredited. That is a sure-fire recipe to draw strident
>responses.
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