[Assam] Enemies of India are enemies of Assam

Tue Mar 7 21:27:12 PST 2006

>What you are saying is Assamese (like the Tripuris) are losing their identity from within India. Am I correct?

Even if we bring the factor of illegel Bangladeshis, a strong India, as one can see, absolutely mean nothing for the protection of the Assamese people. In fact as I cited, Congress GOI is acting against the people of Assam, and has been working against for last so many decades.

In either case, the statement that >A strong, secure and united India is the geo-political guarantee >of the survival of Assam , is simply not true.

That is my point.

RB
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Ram Sarangapani 
  To: Rajen Barua 
  Cc: Himendra Thakur ; Chan Mahanta ; Indrajit Barua ; assam at assamnet.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 5:38 PM
  Subject: Re: [Assam] Enemies of India are enemies of Assam

  Thank you Barua for clarifying.

  >A strong country may simply mean that  Assam may be safe from external >attack from China. That is all.
  >But Assamese people, like the Tripuris, may be loosing everything even inside >the strongest India.
  >For this where is the protection.

  Now, it looks like this is a different angle. I thought Himen da was refering to the illegal influx diluting the Assamese identity.

  But apparently, I missed the point. What you are saying is Assamese (like the Tripuris) are losing their identity from within India. Am I correct?

  I assume (you mean) the Assamese are losing their identity from the 'main land'.  

  If so, I have a few questions then:

  Is the 'invasion' from the main land more of a threat than that of illegal B'deshis?
  Has the Assamese language been replaced by Hindi (or Rajasthani or Bengali)?
  Culturally, have the Assamese lost the essence of Bihus, the Mekhala Chadors or foods?
  Economically, has the main land  pillaged everything (tea, oil etc) and NOT paid back Assam?

  If all the answers are yes (as many would subscribe), then the question is would Assam actually be better off outside of India's control? 
  Lastly, are you trying to curb the influence of the main land on Assam? If so, how do you plan to stem that (specially when many Assamese are so in tune with Hindi cinema, Bollywood, fashions, Hindi etc)? 

  --Ram

  On 3/7/06, Rajen Barua <barua25 at hotmail.com> wrote: 
    Since you seem to have missed the point, let me try again.
    What I was trying ti imply was this.
    A country may be very strong and secure, but that does nopt mean a state and the ethnic people within that state within that  counrty will be guranteed to survive. 
    Forget the case of Assamese, let us take the case of the Tripuris.
    Do you think a strong India will mean anything to the Tripuris while they are loosing their own identity in front of the whole world.
    I was challeneging Hemenda's statement (now yours) from that angle.
    A strong country may simply mean that  Assam may be safe from external attack from China. That is all.
    But Assamese people, like the Tripuris, may be loosing everything even inside the strongest India.
    For this where is the protection.
    So the statement 
    >A strong, secure and united India is the geo-political guarantee >of the survival of Assam , 
    is not correct.
    We are talking about survival not benefits.
    RB 
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Ram Sarangapani 
      To: Rajen Barua 
      Cc: Himendra Thakur ; Chan Mahanta ; Indrajit Barua ; assam at assamnet.org 
      Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 4:01 PM
      Subject: Re: [Assam] Enemies of India are enemies of Assam

      >A strong, secure and united India is the geo-political guarantee >of the survival of Assam, which is India. 

      I am just going by this comment (and this comment only) by Himen da.

      If India is strong & united, it will be beneficial to all the states and the country as a whole. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

      Barua, you mentioned the leakages like the Cong. led govt., the BJP and even the AGP patronizing the illegal B'deshi population. I agree with you. 
      And it exactly these kinds of leakages that have to plugged for India to remain and grow stronger. India as big as it is, and strong as it is, is dealt severe blows from within - anywhere from politicians, unscrupulous bureaucrats to insurgent elements and right wing religious fanatics. 
      In that light, what Himen da says may be an aspiration and even a goal that India and Indians as whole must  strive for.

      >Does it mean Assam's survival is guranteed?

      I am not exactly sure what that means. If it means that Assam may not be secure without India's protection, that could well be true. An Independent Assam (with all the inherent problems) may not be able to sustain itself and may actually slide into some form of anarchy. 
      Now, if it means that will the continuous inflow of illegals, will Assam survive, then the answer to that would be for everyone to be aware the games that politicians and others are doing to court illegal B'deshi vote blocks, and thereby diluting the ethinic balance in Assam. The facts are illegals will (at this rate) one day be a majority in Assam. The sad part is this is happening under the very nose of the powers that be (and probably in connivance). 
      The sadder part is that whenever the question of illegals come up, there are enough people (and some on this net) who would equate getting rid of or stemming the inflow of illegals as "anti-muslim". 
      Nothing could be further from the truth. My take on this is if they are illegals, they need to be deported - irrespective of their religion. Illegals undermine the laws of Indian citizenship, and they undermine and take away jobs and the livlihood of the people of Assam. So the first criteria for deportation should be if they are illegals and not what religion they belong - which is besides the point. 

      >Yes the net is hostile to loose comments.

      True, and thats why most frequent netters have grown a thick hide and it helps in other areas of life as well -:)

      Just my thoughts which ain't worth much anyway.

      --Ram

      On 3/7/06, Rajen Barua <barua25 at hotmail.com > wrote: 
        >A strong, secure and united India is the geo-political guarantee of the survival of Assam, which is India. 

        First let us agree that we all have our different views and one may not agree with anybody.
        But at least for arguments sake, please think again what you are saying here.
        >A strong, secure and united India is the geo-political guarantee of the survival of Assam, which is India. 
        Don't you think India is already not strong and secure?
        Does it mean Assam's survival is guranteed?
        That strong controller of that security, the Congress GOI is trying to change Foreigners detection Law in Assam for the benefit of the illegel immigrants against the judgement of Supreme court so that illegel Bangladeshis will stay in Assam. 
        That strong controller of that security, BJP and even AGP, are symapthising with Bangladeshi immigtants to grant them land as refuges.
        In view of above, where does your theory that a A strong, secure and united India is the geo-political guarantee of the survival of Assam , stands?
        Please think carefully and comment.
        Please donot say, we need to do this or that.
        I am just making a comment of your comment and asking you to justify.
        Yes the net is hostile to loose comments.
        Rajen
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Himendra Thakur 
        To: Chan Mahanta 
        Cc: assam at assamnet.org ; Indrajit Barua 
        Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 11:38 AM
        Subject: [Assam] Enemies of India are enemies of Assam

        Dear Chandan,

        You are right to say One thing that jumps out is the preponderance of certain politically motivated views and assertions that keep appearing, even after being thoroughly debunked, refuted or discredited. 

        It is now obvious that people who do not take any responsibility about what they say are spreading "politically motivated views"   which are dangerous for Assam's survival.

        A strong, secure and united India is the geo-political guarantee of the survival of Assam, which is India. 

        Enemies of India are enemies of Assam. However, the "politically motivated views" of these enemies are caught when they write phrases like "Civilian invasion by India" "Poor Bangladeshi "immigrants" looking for job" --- these are obviously biased & motivated opinions for the benefit of Bangladesh, which have been thoroughly debunked, refuted or discredited many times. . 

        In the assam-net, even the Enemies of Assam should have their freedom of expression, but I am sure that the netters will be able to see the thinly covered political motivations of these irresponsible writers. 

        With the best,
        Himendra
          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: Chan Mahanta 
          To: Himendra Thakur ; jkk2020 at aim.com ; assam at assamnet.org 
          Cc: hthakur at comcast.net ; umesh.sh05 at post.harvard.edu ; Indrajit Barua 
          Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 10:13 AM
          Subject: Re: [Assam] Strong, secure, united INDIA

          Hi Himen-da,

          Have time for comment only one point for now, even though many more deserve a response :-):

          The atmosphere in assam-net has become very tense. Is this is a symptom of our internal despondency because we are in the verge of losing our beloved land?

          *** If it is so, it is a result of the subject-matter being dealt with in the posts that we have seen. One thing that jumps out is the preponderance of certain politically motivated views and assertions that keep appearing, even after being thoroughly debunked, refuted or discredited. That is a sure-fire recipe to draw strident responses. 

          c

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