[Assam] Fwd: What a shame! YOUR Qs ANSWERED IN CAPS

[Nayanjyoti Medhi]

Hello Dada,
Thank you for indulging me.
I was sure, you would burst after reading my 1st reply and will put me on
the firing line, then i thought lets give it another try.
and long after that i started writing. Sorry, won't be replying to your
observations now. Please indulge me more as i am preparing a case. bear with
me for some more time but I really would get back to you.
BUt let me answer the most important of your queries

*** First off, I wished you would have disavowed the first one as an
unfortunate knee-jerk reaction, instead of asking me to read it as a part of
an overall response :-)* --** I sticked to my first reply alongwith my other
replies because if I hadn't, You would have doubted my sincerity. Infact I
myself would have doubted my sincerity. Yes I was enraged. But that doesn't
change the thoughts that creeped up in my mind. So I wrote what I thought at
that point of time was right.*
**
**
Nayan

p.s: All these you've written to me now, why didn't you place it earlier on
Assam net. I suppose it takes someone like me to get it all out of you?
eh...  ;)

On 10/16/06, Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:
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> Hello Nayan:
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> I received all three of your replies. After reading the first two, I was
> wondering if I should have spent the effort I did in responding to you in
> the first place. But after this one, I felt that perhaps you were not
> entirely insincere, just not clear about issues. That is no sin. Happens to
> the best of the lot.
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> With that prologue, allow me to respond to your queries and also share my
> observations :
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> *** First off, I wished you would have disavowed the first one as an
> unfortunate knee-jerk reaction, instead of asking me to read it as a part of
> an overall response :-). But I will get back to later.
>
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> *** I will also get back to the second one, even if you don't want me to
> respond :-).
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> >* I'm not in a same boat with anyone. Infact I don't know anyone in
> >Assamnet personnally or otherwise. I come here because i want to >gather
> knowledge. Know what others think. What is their perceptions >of the
> problems and blah blah blah.....*
>
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> *** Being in the same boat with someone else is a manner of speech,
> 'kothaar maat', and one does not have to know another person personally to
> be so.
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> > A: What WRONG decision are you referring to? And WHO took
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>         those decisions?
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>         B: And if these decisions were taken by your 'pitamoh' (
> ancestors)
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>         :-), and they span generations, it tells me these might be
> societal
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>         problems that none of us can just wash-off saying you did not
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>         take part in it. I guess you could, but obviously to no avail.
> Would I
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>         be wrong to conclude that?* Loaded Gun? Ancestors? Span
> >Generations? What are you saying Dada? Have you been to Assam >recently? If
> you have, you won't tell me the above. If you haven't, >no use answering
> your questions because you won't understand from >there. Its a very long way
> back home.  :)*
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> *** Since you wanted to discuss what you referred to, very cryptically, as
> "wrong decisions", and you did not explain what those wrong decisions were
> and who took them, how on earth did you expect me, or for that matter
> anybody else to engage in it?
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> As a practising lawyer in the high-court, I would have hoped that you
> would have
> spoken out clearly and forthrightly. I had no clue to what you were
> talking about. I am beginning to have an inkling about it now, but still not
> quite sure.
> It still is only the vaguest of guesses that you might have been alluding
> to the ULFA insurgency. But if that is what you had in mind, why couldn't
> you say it out loud and clear, with the courage of your convictions, instead
> of speaking in riddles? I wouldn't have held it against you. No-one would
> have. Almost everyone I debate in Assamnet on this issue mince no words
> about their beliefs and wishes.
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> Anyway, if THAT was what it was, would you like to re-state what you want
> to discuss or share your opinions about it? Maybe hen we can have a
> meanigful dialogue. What?
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> Yes, I have been to Assam three times in the last two years. A little more
> frequently than in the past. However I don't get to meet important people
> when I go there. I visit family, make a trip to my ancestral village, and
> the last time
> took care of some charitable business with some highly unimportant people
> way out there at Silapthar, that some of my fellow 'markhowas' ( that is
> sondon-speak for  Markin Kharkhowas) entrusted me with. And nowhere I had to
> confront any ULFA insurgency issues, other than that in one of those trips
> my taxi-driver was harassed by Indian military at a bridge in upper-Assam.
> But once the soldier realized he was driving a 'phoren-Osomiya', promptly
> the Hindiwalla backed down. I suspect he would not have done so if it were
> an ordinary Oxomiya, do you think?
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> >*Yes we need a revolt. I personally feel it. But  a revolt against >what?
> A revolt is not a solution and what we need is a solution to >the needs of
> the present Assamese society.*
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> *** Hmmm! You are making two completely contradictory statements. Which
> should I go with? A revolt, or no revolt?
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> If you think a revolution is needed, against what? And a revolution does
> not necessarily have to be an armed one, or a bloody one, does it?
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> If you are not sure what it needs to be against, do ask me/us. I/we will
> be pleased to guide you along.
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> And if you don't think one is needed, but still feel 'you are NOT allowed'
> to participate by the powers that be, and are clueless about how to get to
> have a say in the running of your society's affairs in the much touted
> 'liberal democracy' of India,* then it is as serious problem*. I suspect
> you are not alone here.
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> *So, do tell us, which of the above is true, or if it is something
> entirely different, but clearly and forthrightly. THEN we can start talking
> meaningfully, and hopefully productively.*
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> >*In the 70's and 80's there were revolts too. What happened? A
> >generation of youths were wiped out from Assam. And why? Is there a
> >answer?*
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> *** You tell me! I wasn't there. I left Assam in 1963, and left India in
> 1970.
> Oh I know a lot about it. I also read the book by Sanjoy Hazarika that you
> recommended. But I would like to hear YOUR version of events: Why ULFA took
> up arms, instead of doing what the rest of you have been doing, what the
> outcomes have been--ULFA's activites' and the non-ULFAs' activities.
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> *I would also like to hear from YOU, about what has changed since then,
> about the CAUSES that gave rise to the ULFA rebellion, and correlate them
> the conditions of today, including HOW it makes YOU feel that YOU and others
> like you, CANNOT be a part of the solution to the problems you see.*
>
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> Once we can pin them down, we can look at ways to rectify them. There are
> a whole lot of people here, who are extremely intelligent, highly
> experienced, equal to the best in the world if not even better by dint of
> their Assam specific knowledge. I am sure they will all like to contribute
> to helping YOU and those others in your shoes who feel disenfranchised and
> helpless.
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> >*Once it starts, it never ends.*
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> *** You touch on an crucial point here. WHY do you think it never ends?
> The American war of independence ended, the Indian struggle ended, the South
> African ended. But what is it with the myriads of conflicts in our
> godforsaken land --
> that never ends, be it the Naga conflict, be it the Assam one, be it the
> Manipur one -- you name it? What in your mind is the problem here? The Naga
> conflict is now the world's longest running low-intensity warfare, if you
> did not know.
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> >*What is needed is a revolt for change, adaptation with the new >emerging
> trends and new everything.*
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> *** Tell me about it . Where did I hear that before :-)? I agree. But the
> big question is* WHAT stands in the way, as you see it?*  I have my ideas,
> as do others. But let us hear about YOUR assessment here, because it is
> about YOU who live in Assam, and not about those of us who left.
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> >*A society can't be changed in a whiff. It needs time. And thats what >we
> don't have.*
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> *** I agree with the two former points.  And that ties in very well with
> what I asked earlier about what has changed regarding the conditions that
> gave rise to the ULFA insurgency.
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> However I cannot concur with your view that you don't have time. Actually
> you have NOTHING else! For if you did have something else going for you,
> things WOULD have CHANGED. The world has changed dramatically in the last
> quarter century. One would have hoped that the causes that gave rise to the
> Oxom Andwlon and subsequently ULFA, would have changed perceptibly too in
> these long twenty five years of Assam's nightmare.* But have they?  If I
> read you correctly they have not.* I would like to hear of your views in
> your own words.
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> And we will go from there.
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> Best.
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> c-dada
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> At 12:48 PM +0530 10/15/06, Nayanjyoti Medhi wrote:
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From:* Nayanjyoti Medhi* <nayanjyoti.medhi at gmail.com>
> Date: Oct 14, 2006 11:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [Assam] What a shame! YOUR Qs ANSWERED IN CAPS
> To: Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net>
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> Dada, Its Around 11 at night here in Guwahati and i have nothing better to
> do. High Court is on vacation and we Wakils are relaxed for a while. So i'll
> try to do what you do with my communications. Dissect the sentences and then
> try to write long paragraphs as answers. What I wrote earlier in the evening
> can be read with this letter as i am still bound by what i have written.
>
>
>
> *****Glad to make your acquaintance. Nice to know that you are a
> practising lawyer  and that too in the high court. Often we play 'baam-ukil'
> here, without anyone being able help us with questions. Now we know we can
> speak to a real-life lawyer to help us out.*   No Comments*
>
>
>
> *** Glad to know you realize it. I was almost afraid you too were in the
> same boat with Jyoti, from your note of support for his position.
>
>
>
>
> It is OK to have different views and not to agree with someone. But when
> we differ or oppose, we also have an obligation to explain why. Just telling
> someone that she is wrong, does not go anywhere. Because why discuss and
> debate is to try and persuade others, and not merely to assert our own
> righteousness. And it is patently rude to go attack someone personally,
> directly or indirectly for any heartburn that their views may cause us :-).
> * I'm not in a same boat with anyone. Infact I don't know anyone in
> Assamnet personnally or otherwise. I come here because i want to gather
> knowledge. Know what others think. What is their perceptions of the problems
> and blah blah blah.....*
>
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> *** That is a loaded gun you aim here Nayan :-).
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>         A: What WRONG decision are you referring to? And WHO took
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>         those decisions?
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>         B: And if these decisions were taken by your 'pitamoh' (
> ancestors)
>
>         :-), and they span generations, it tells me these might be
> societal
>
>         problems that none of us can just wash-off saying you did not
>
>         take part in it. I guess you could, but obviously to no avail.
> Would I
>
>         be wrong to conclude that?* Loaded Gun? Ancestors? Span
> Generations? What are you saying Dada? Have you been to Assam recently? If
> you have, you won't tell me the above. If you haven't, no use answering your
> questions because you won't understand from there. Its a very long way back
> home.  :)*
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> *** IF the previous generation created these problems you refer to, why
> are they NOT helping resolve it? But more importantly, is your society being
> run by that previous generation only, or are you, the present generation, a
> part of that same society and thus a part of the solution?
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> I ask, because I cannot imagine the adults of a society like yourselves
> can remain outside of solutions to their societal needs. If your previous
> generation is keeping yours outside of its governance, then YOU, my friend,
> need nothing less than a revolt to take your rightful place in running your
> present and shaping your future. And you all have no excuses for not being
> involved, if you live in the much touted 'liberal democracy' of India.*Yes we need a revolt. I personally feel it. But  a revolt against what? A
> revolt is not a solution and what we need is a solution to the needs of the
> present Assamese society. In the 70's and 80's there were revolts too. What
> happened? A generation of youths were wiped out from Assam. And why? Is
> there a answer? Once it starts, it never ends. It did not end with
> Independence of India and it won't end even if Assam is liberated. What is
> needed is a revolt for change, adaptation with the new emerging trends
> and new everything. A society can't be changed in a whiff. It needs time.
> And thats what we don't have.*
>
>
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> *** I know you say that because you want to be generous :-) to us netters.
> But if by some chance you are serious, then you are harboring extremely
> unrealistic expectations which will lead to nothing but damaging
> disappointments.
>
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> On the other hand however, yes, this net can indeed facilitate a dialogue,
> a discussion and a debate  in describing the issues and developing solution
> scenarios for what confronts Assam. Yes occasionally we might even be able
> to offer an idea or lend a helping hand. But you all in Assam alone can and
> will have to resolve your society's problems.*   I have no expectations so
> i won't be dissapointed. But yes, as you said, this net can facilitate a
> dialogue, a discussion and debates so that hopefully a idea will emerge
> which can be given effect to. This net can be a medium. But it has its
> limitations and the worst of it is the discouragement that is shown to new
> ideas ( it is my personal feeling from what i have observed, am i may be
> corrected).*
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> *** While I entirely agree with the latter above, I cannot imagine WHO or
> WHY anyone, anyone at all, would wish to or attempt to either discourage
> your involvement, much less* push you aside or throw you out*. No one I
> have ever known, even the most stridently iconoclastic of NRAs I have known,
> would do any such thing.*  I** have explained this in my previous mail.
> Please don't take offence as he happens to be your brother but what i have
> stated is true.*
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> Not that you have brought this up, but you all must remember few very
> important thing about us ex-pats, because I can sense the underlying
> assumptions in the various exchanges of recent days:
>
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>         Even though we lead a reasonably comfortable and secure
> .......................
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>         .................... well does dry up.*  Well I do not think it
> would be proper for me to discuss the above.*
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> The lesson here is this: Charity will not deliver Assam to the promised
> land. Assam must create the opportunities for itself by managing its above
> average resources for ALL its people. It is the only way!* Assam has never
> asked for CHARITY. This land had always given, not taken rom others. People
> come here to earn, not to give charity. Investment yes, Charity No. Why do
> you think this land is a heaven for the illegal emigrants? BEcause they get
> charity here? No, there is enough resources available here to exploit and to
> make one rich.*
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> *Anyways, thankyou for the effort you have taken to reply to my whims.*
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> *With Regards*
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> *Nayan*
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> On 10/14/06,* Chan Mahanta* <cmahanta at charter.net > wrote:
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> Hello Nayan:
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> Greeting from St. Louis, in the heartland of America.
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> Glad to make your acquaintance. Nice to know that you are a practising
> lawyer  and that too in the high court. Often we play 'baam-ukil' here,
> without anyone being able help us with questions. Now we know we can speak
> to a real-life lawyer to help us out. Sorry, but I don't think we will be
> able to keep you on retainer :-).
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> >Its not true that I/we have any disagreement with the political
> >viewpoint of anyone. Anyone can have his/her personal viewpoint on >any
> subject.
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> *** Glad to know you realize it. I was almost afraid you too were in the
> same boat with Jyoti, from your note of support for his position.
>
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>
> It is OK to have different views and not to agree with someone. But when
> we differ or oppose, we also have an obligation to explain why. Just telling
> someone that she is wrong, does not go anywhere. Because why discuss and
> debate is to try and persuade others, and not merely to assert our own
> righteousness. And it is patently rude to go attack someone personally,
> directly or indirectly for any heartburn that their views may cause us :-).
>
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> >*But the very specific point that I would like to point out is that -
> >The wrong decisions that lead to the present socio political scenerio >of
> Assam/Asom/Axom..... were not taken by this present generation.*
>
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> *** That is a loaded gun you aim here Nayan :-).
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>         A: What WRONG decision are you referring to? And WHO took
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>         those decisions?
>
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>         B: And if these decisions were taken by your 'pitamoh' (
> ancestors)
>
>         :-), and they span generations, it tells me these might be
> societal
>
>         problems that none of us can just wash-off saying you did not
>
>         take part in it. I guess you could, but obviously to no avail.
> Would I
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>         be wrong to conclude that?
>
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> *>So I think the remedy should also started by the same Generation who
> >took the right decisions to make this land Xonar Axom, and if they >can't
> then let us help.*
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> >*In Assam net I have come across some great discussions and really >great
> ideas. And maybe this forum would go a long way in solving the >problems
> that persist in this land.*
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> *** I know you say that because you want to be generous :-) to us netters.
> But if by some chance you are serious, then you are harboring extremely
> unrealistic expectations which will lead to nothing but damaging
> disappointments.
>
>
>
>
> On the other hand however, yes, this net can indeed facilitate a dialogue,
> a discussion and a debate  in describing the issues and developing solution
> scenarios for what confronts Assam. Yes occasionally we might even be able
> to offer an idea or lend a helping hand. But you all in Assam alone can and
> will have to resolve your society's problems.
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> >*But then nothing will happen if we are thrown out/discouraged, >because
> we are ones who will face tomorrow and will carry the torch >forward.*
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> *** While I entirely agree with the latter above, I cannot imagine WHO or
> WHY anyone, anyone at all, would wish to or attempt to either discourage
> your involvement, much less* push you aside or throw you out*. No one I
> have ever known, even the most stridently iconoclastic of NRAs I have known,
> would do any such thing.
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> That however, is entirely different from giving or withholding active
> support for whatever one may put forth.
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> Not that you have brought this up, but you all must remember few very
> important thing about us ex-pats, because I can sense the underlying
> assumptions in the various exchanges of recent days:
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>         Even though we lead a reasonably comfortable and secure life, by
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>         and large, our sense of vulnerability is far higher than the
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>         average, because few if any of us have had the safety net of
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>         an extended family and friends unlike our counterparts back in
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>         Assam do. Therefore most of us immigrants, have always had
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>         to weigh our involvement in whatever we do against how it
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>         might impact our financial security. But it will change as our
> children
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>         grow up, raise their families and they become independent.
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>         The above is exactly why you see so few entrepreneurs amongst us.
> Most
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>         of us are wage earners, but with a degree of security that comes
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>         with it.
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>         There is a major misconception amongst our friends and families
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>         in Assam that us NRAs are hugely wealthy. Yes a few may be, but so
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>         few that it could not be applied as a rule. They are reasonably
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>         set, but by no means wealthy by local standards. As such it is
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>         unrealistic to expect large or significant charitable outlays
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>         from them. A couple of hundred dollars for this and that is
> different.
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>         But to expect large outlays, even for eminently worthwhile causes
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>         is simply unrealistic.
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>         Time too is a precious commodity. It was more so when our children
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>         were growing up and both parents were/are in the work-force. You
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>         would not believe what we went thru with pre-school childcare
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>         issues in our younger days. Therefore I can empathize with what
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>         others are going thru now.
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>         Ours also is a small community. We all have held the same ideals
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>         as you younger folks do now about helping others. And we continue
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>         to do that, but with a more mature and realistic approach. The
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>         bright-eyed optimism of unfettered young adults in prosperous
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>         societies with security and safety ready to change the face of
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>         Assam with our new found empowerment  soon gave way to the stark
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>         realities of raising a family and securing their futures. We
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>         attempted to do so many different  things for Assam! I personally
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>         led a number efforts at raising funds for charitable work, some
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>         right here in Assamnet, sometimes inviting taunts and
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>         boos from some of our less gifted compatriots :-). But one thing
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>         I quickly found out was that this small group of NRAs is NOT
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>         like a well that could never dry up.
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>         People give once, twice and may even three times. But comes a time
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>         only the complete fool will keep approaching the same people,
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> The lesson here is this: Charity will not deliver Assam to the promised
> land. Assam must create the opportunities for itself by managing its above
> average resources for ALL its people. It is the only way!
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> To that end good luck and god-speed to you all. And do count on us to lend
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> a hand when we can, in areas we can.
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> Best,
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> At 10:23 PM +0530 10/13/06, Nayanjyoti Medhi wrote:
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> Mahanta Da,
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> *** It is not a secret that yours, Jyoti's, Nayan's , Rajib's and a lot
> many others' angst in assamnet is rooted in your disagreements with the
> political viewpoints of those such as yours truly.* --------Its not true
> that I/we have any disagreement with the political viewpoint of anyone.
> Anyone can have his/her personal viewpoint on any subject. But the very
> specific point that I would like to point out is that - The wrong decisions
> that lead to the present socio political scenerio of Assam/Asom/Axom.....
> were not taken by this present generation. So I think the remedy should also
> started by the same Generation who took the right decisions to make this
> land Xonar Axom, and if they can't then let us help. In Assam net I have
> come across some great discussions and really great ideas. And maybe this
> forum would go a long way in solving the problems that persist in this land.
> But then nothing will happen if we are thrown out/discouraged, because we
> are ones who will face tomorrow and will carry the torch forward. Dada, let
> the people unite, remove the generation gap. Then maybe someday ..........
> *
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> *Regards*
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> *Nayan*
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> On 10/13/06,* Chan Mahanta* <cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:
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> Hi Momy:
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> Thanks for your response. I am delighted to see a young Oxomiya woman
> holding her ground and providing leadership and courage to others like Jyoti
> Das and Nayan Medhi  for example in a forum such as assamnet. That is MY
> kind of an Oxomiya; courageous, proud and willing to take a stand for what
> she believes in :-). So all powers to you Momy.
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> Having said that, I think it is important to point out out what was wrong
> about the OPINIONS that you delivered in your farewell note/s:
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> *** First off, your disappointments about assamnetters and assamnet were
> indeed rooted on an unexpressed assumption that it is a forum which* ought
> to* discuss
>
> *only* projects and issues such as what you hold dear, to the exclusion of
> issues that others might find more interesting. No doubt yours and others'
> like yourself who expressed such sentiments are GOOD and laudable
> issues/projects.
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> But it does not mean, in any way shape or form, that other issues could
> not or should not be pursued at the same time.
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> *** It is not a secret that yours, Jyoti's, Nayan's , Rajib's and a lot
> many others' angst in assamnet is rooted in your disagreements with the
> political viewpoints of those such as yours truly. You, just like anybody
> else here, are entitled to your views. But it would have been better if you
> could express that forthrightly, instead of finding other reasons to vent
> your frustrations. That is what I alluded to as the "Urohi gosor wr onyo
> korbaat", which roughly translated means that the real root of the
> disappointments are different from what was presented as.
>
>
>
>
> *** Your assumptions about the 'older generation' of expatriate Oxomiyas
> as a self-centered lot, unwilling to help others is a rather shallow and
> ignorant one. It is a typically unenviable  Indian/Kharkhowa trait of making
> broad brush
>
> judgements about a whole class of people based on scanty sampling.
>
>
>
>
> *** What *I* do or have done, either as charity or as public service, is
> MY business. I don't need anybody's approval or judgement about its
> adequacy. Besides, it is neither about ME, nor you, nor Rini Kakati, whom
> you have singled out as a villain :-). That is why I shall not speak about
> it here.
>
>
>
>
> *** It is also true that as laudable as charitable efforts are, they are
> merely
>
> outlets for salving one's guilt, and are inadequate vehicles for improving
> Assam's lot.
>
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>
>
> Personally I have no need to resort to charitable efforts to soothe my
> feelings of guilt. The burden of my guilt is far less than most I know. But
> I have nothing against those who do.
>
>
>
>
> *** I do have a right to use the words I do to characterize opinions of
> others, including 'naive', just as you do. But I use words judiciously and
> carefully, and only when I can back them up.
>
>
>
>
> If you would like to know why I used the word naive, let me know, I will
> be pleased to explain :-).
>
>
>
>
> >NOT TRYING TO PROVE ANYTHING.
>
>
>
>
> *** Not true. The haughtiness with which you dismissed assamnet, and thus
> its many participants, was a poor display of your own self-importance and
> self-image. While you are entitled to it, others don't need to accept it
> without a word :-).
>
>
>
>
> >I won't go into details now(YOU ARE ALWAYS WELCOME IF YOU WANT TO), but
> if you >would like for me to, I will be pleased to take them up for
> discussion at a >later time.(WHY PRIVATE..IT STARTED IN A PUBLIC FORUM, KEEP
> IT THAT WAY)>
>
>
>
>
> *** I don't get into private debates about public issues.
>
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> >(TALK AND TALK AND TALK SO THAT BY THE TIME I AM OF YOUR AGE, I WILL
> SHARE MY >OPINION WITH A YOUNGER MEMBER IN THE EXACT SAME WAY AS YOU HAVE
> DONE).
>
>
>
>
> *** Discussions/debates and action are not mutually exclusive of each
> other. Both can happen at the same time. Assamnet is NOT an action group,
> never has been, never will be. So if you came here with the expectation that
> it will be a platform for launching ACTIONS, while entirely possible ( I
> have personally led such efforts in the past and more than once), is not at
> all a given and not a realistic expectation. That *I*  have learnt from my
> nearly 12 years in assamnet. But the difference between you and I is that I
> did NOT leave in a huff, because I could not interest others in what I
> consider worthwhile or important.* When I failed, it was due to my
> inability to communicate and persuade.* And when we succeeded ( yes we did
> too) it was because others did participate and contribute.
>
>
>
>
>
> That is what I and Ram too attempted to point out to you, but
> unsuccessfully. No doubt because you already knew everything you needed to
> :-) about assamnet.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >WELL THAN POINT ME TOWARDS THE RIGHT DIRECTION, DONT ASK ME TO ARGUE,
> DEBATE >AND DISCUSS)
>
>
>
>
> *** It is not my place to teach someone like you Momy.I was merely
> attempting to point out what was missing from your assessments and verdicts.
> I do however serve as a teacher to those who learn from what I point out,
> just as all  those others from whom *I* have learnt so much over a decade
> and more.
>
>
>
>
> *In fact I can, without any hesitation what-so-ever, declare that I have
> learnt MORE about Assam (and India  too) from this forum than anywhere else
> in my entire life, in-spite of the fact that I grew up in what is
> essentially  Assam's heartland. And I know I am the better for it.*
>
>
>
>
> *Assamnet is, without a doubt, the most important forum for Assam and the
> Oxomiya identity that has developed in this IT age. And the credit for it
> goes to Prof. Jugal Kalita,Prof. Deep Medhi and the people who contribute to
> its existence and expansion thru their participation.*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >AND AM NOT AT THE LEAST INTERESTED IN  ALL YOUR OPINIONS ABOUT ME ( ESP.
> MR >MAHANTA)..
>
>
>
>
> ***  But the opinions that *I* have expressed  are a RESULT of the
> opinions that you expressed and implied Momy.  I do not go about finding
> ways to express opinions of others in this net or anywhere else. But I do
> speak out when I find reasons to take issue with others'.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Another long one here. Nice to have spoken to you. Wish you the best on
> all your efforts, personal as well as societal.
>
>
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>
> cm
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> At 4:19 PM +0100 10/12/06, Momy Saikia wrote:
>
> Hi Momy (HELLO MR MAHANTA):
>
>
> I was disappointed to read your note on the disappointments of your
> own (YOU SHOULD BE AND EVERYONE ELSE BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T APPRAISE AN
> YOUTH'S OPINION).
>
> Allow me to share a little observation of mine, with the hope that
> you will take a moment of your precious time to ponder(I ALWAYS HAVE TIME
> FOR ANY CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM AS ITS ONE OF THE REASONS BEHIND MY
> DEVELOPMENT):
> Expectations is the mother of all disappointments!" (WELL IF YOU ASK
> ME...EXPECTATION IS THE MOTHER OF ACHIEVEMENT)..... Is it catchy or
> what? (ITS DEGRADING THE TERM FOR ME SO NOT CATCHY AT ALL SIR)  Remember
> you heard it here first :-)( I NEVER HEARD OF IT AND EVEN IF I DID, I
> WOULDN'T MAKE SENSE OF IT BECAUSE THESE PROVERBS ARE OUTCOME OF SOMEONE'S
> EXPERIENCE NOT MINE).
>
>
>
> The point is that you had expectations of assamnetters (NEVER DID, THATS
> YOUR PRESSUMPTION); does not matter if they are realistic, meaningful,
> useful, or otherwise(ANY INTELLIGENT BEING WOULD AGREE THAT TAKING AN ACTION
> TO HELP SOMEONE ISN'T UNREALISTIC, NON MEANINGFULL OR USELESS). And since
> those were not met (TRUE), you are leaving the forum (LEAVING THE FORUM
> BECAUSE, I WOULD RATHER INVEST TIME IN ACTIONS THAN DISCUSSIONS WHICH LEADS
> ME NOWHERE BUT RESULTS IN RESENTMENT TOWARDS DIFFERENT PEOPLE OR GOVT IN THE
> END), in a huff (WELLCOME TO THE 21st CENTURY, IF YOU NEED SOMETHING DONE
> THAN DO IT NOW),
>
>   waving your own virtues(CAUSE I BELIEVE IN THEM UNLIKE MOST OF YOU),
> imagined or real(ABSOLUTELY REAL AND SO I AM ABLE TO PUT THEM INTO ACTIONS),
> for others to see and go (ACTUALLY TO IRK MINDS LIKE YOU...THE POSITIVE
> OUTCOME OF MY MAIL IS THAT SOME PEOPLE HAVE MAILED ME IN PERSON OFFERING
> HELP TO BUILD A SITE...BUT YOU AGAIN TOOK TIME TO WRITE ME A PAGE FULL OF
> YOUR OPINION ABOUT ME AND WANTING A DEBATE OUT OF IT) ( --Wow! What a young
> lady of action she is (SURE I AM, ELSE I WOULDN'T HAVE THE CONFIDENCE TO
> POINT AT THE "WORDS ONLY" GROUP).
>
>
>
> But I understand ( I SERIOUSLY HOPE YOU DO). Most do(AGAIN I CAN HOPE THAT
> THEY DO). We have seen them all here (THIS COULD ONLY MEAN TO ME THAT YOU
> HAVE BEEN POSTING YOUR OPINIONS ON THIS SITE SINCE IT FIRST STARTED). Good
> news (NOT REALLY CAUSE YOU ARE WASTING YOUR TIME)
> however is that you are young (JUST 25, LOT OF EXPECTATIONS YET), and
> hopefully still open to learning (I WOULDN'T BE DEVELOPING IF I WASNT OPEN
> TO LEARNING)
>
>
>   new tricks unlike some old us old dogs (DONOT EVER HUMILIATE
> YOURSELF...NO ONE CALLS YOU THAT , I AM SURE) . And it is NOT a beauty
> contest (I DO UNDERSTAND SIR, SEEKING HELP FROM YOU GUYS TO HELP OTHERS
> ISN'T A THOUGHT OF A BEAUTY ONLY...BEAUTY+BRAINS) here -- to prove what a
> hot-s--t one is or not (NOT TRYING TO PROVE ANYTHING..DO READ MY MAIL ONCE
> MORE) :-).
>
>
>
> New tricks? (TRICKS???THOUGHT I WAS STRAIGHT FORWARD) Indeed. You have
> shown how naive(WITH ALL DUE RESPECT SIR, INSPITE OF YOUR AGE YOU HAVE NO
> RIGHT TO USE "SUCH" WORDS AGAINST ME) you are about some of your assumptions
> (ASSUMPTIONS GET YOU STARTED WITH ANY PROBLEM), beliefs ( CAUSE I BELEIVE IN
> THEM) and expectations(TO BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE, I NEED TO EXPECT), from the
> few notes you posted here(FEW BUT SUBSTANTIAL). I won't go into details
> now(YOU ARE ALWAYS WELCOME IF YOU WANT TO), but if you would like for me to,
> I will be pleased to take them up for discussion at a later time.(WHY
> PRIVATE..IT STARTED IN A PUBLIC FORUM, KEEP IT THAT WAY)>
>
> But that is nothing new (YOUR OPINION AGAIN SIR). You are not alone in
> your naivete (I WOULD BE GLAD IF YOU ARE NOT ONE OF MY KIND THAN). We have
> all been there(HAVE YOU??NOT REALLY OR ELSE YOU WON'T BE STILL A MEMBER OF
> THE FORUM). Again good news is that we can shed them(NO INTENSIONS OF
> SHEDDING MY QUALITIES). How? Yes, by talking(TALK AND TALK AND TALK SO THAT
> BY THE TIME I AM OF YOUR AGE, I WILL SHARE MY OPINION WITH A YOUNGER MEMBER
> IN THE EXACT SAME WAY AS YOU HAVE DONE). By
> debating, discussing and deliberating and by paying attention(I DON'T HAVE
> TIME FOR PROLONGED DISCUSSIONS OR DEBATES).
>
> You may ask: But isn't that a waste of time? Aren't you guys just blowing
> air, accomplishing NOTHING? (THERE YOU GO..SEE YOU FINALLY KNOW ME BETTER)
>
> Well, it would be, IF that is ALL we do (YOU WOULD KNOW BETTER).
>
> See Momy, discussing and debating the issues we do, is NOT mutually
> exclusive of doing something concrete(WHICH I QUITE WELL UNDERSTOOD EVEN
> BEFORE YOU MENTIONED).
>
>
> That is what you fail to recognize(MAYBE, THANK U FOR TAKING THE EFFORT TO
> MAKE ME REALISE). Again, no harm done. You have a lot of time to learn(I
> AGREE WITH YOU THERE).
>
> Many netters do many things--for their own betterment and for others' too.
> Not all talk of their actions or contributions. And besides, there is ALWAYS
> a whole lot more to the persona of these people than what their posts in
> assamnet may indicate. It will do you good to be aware of that(PLEASE MAKE
> ME AWARE OF WHAT YOU HAVE DONE SO FAR AS YOU CLAIM TO BE OLD ..YOU HAVE HAD
> YOUR WHOLE LIFE AHEAD).
>
> What is important to recognize however, is that those who know better, or
> are expected to know better--people like yourselves, cannot and must not
> remain smug in your own righteousness, your self-image of a person of
> action, like you assert(WELL THAN POINT ME TOWARDS THE RIGHT DIRECTION, DONT
> ASK ME TO ARGUE, DEBATE AND DISCUSS). For if you do, you will be NO
> DIFFERENT from those who you perceive, albeit on scant and superficial
> evidence of assamnet posts, to be mere hot-air blowers, or having little to
> contribute towards what YOU consider meaningful. What is meaningful can come
> in many, many forms(JUST AN EXAMPLE FROM YOU IS WHAT I AM REQUESTING
> FOR..BESIDES I CLEARLY MENTIONED TWO CATEGORIES IN MY CONCLUDING
> LINE..PLEASE READ IT).
>
> Another thing  is that, we know, often a new member would leave in a huff,
> because netters' criticisms/comments  hurt their sense of what they hold
> dear(I BELEIVE IN MYSELF AND SOME INDIVIDUAL WHO IS VIRTUALLY KNOW TO ME
> JUST CANT HURT ME WITH WORDS..IT WILL TAKE YOU LOT MORE): Often myths
> associated with their realities or their beliefs (AGAIN FIRM BELEIEFS). And
> being unable or unwilling to articulate a defense of their own values and
> views, they would cite others' 'egos' or pro-this or anti-that or
> full-of-hot-air-ness(NOT ME...BUT YOUR MAIL COULD BE A CLASSIC EXAMPLE).
> This is the quintessential "Urohi-gosor-wrtw-onyo-korbat" syndrome(TAR MANE
> NUBUJILU). There is only one cure for it: SPEAK UP, defend what you
> believe(I ALWAYS DO CAUSE I HAVE NO FEAR OR SECOND THOUGHTS..I AM CONFIDENT
> AND ALWAYS SPEAK OF THINGS I CAN DEFEND IF NECESSARY). You will be
> surprised, that you CAN educate others(I KNOW THAT). And we will all be the
> better for it.
>
>
> Gave you an earful, didn't I :-)?(I CAN ABSORB MORE BUT DONT'T MAKE IT A
> HABBIT)
>
> Take care(U TOO), and whether you return to assamnet or not,(I WON'T AFTER
> TODAY) all the best to you and yours(AND TO YOU SIR).
>
>
>
> cm(MOMY)
>
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