[Assam] Fwd: What a shame! YOUR Qs ANSWERED IN CAPS

[Chan Mahanta]

No problems Nayan. Take all the time you need. And do well by your client/s.

What I am curious about now is what 'enraged' you. I can't think of a 
single thing I wrote in that long, long, note that I can imagine to 
be anger provoking.
Obviously we all have very different receptors in our sensory 
mechanisms leading to completely unexpected responses.

>p.s: All these you've written to me now, why didn't you place it 
>earlier on >Assam net.

*** Actually I did, any number of times, in the past twelve or so 
years of my tenure in assamnet. May not have been exactly in those 
same words, but substantially so.

Yes, if we have had an organized archiving system, I could have 
spared myself countless hours of repeating myself to every newcomer 
to the net, or to older ones with short memories :-). But I don't 
mind. I consider it a public service :-).

>I suppose it takes someone like me to get it all out of you? eh...  ;)

*** You are very welcome to take credit :-), even though you haven't 
even scratched the surface of the underlying and interrelated issues 
YET. Many others have asked me these and similar questions and even 
harder ones; not always with an intent to discover or learn but to 
discredit my analyses with the hope of finding something irrational, 
something self-contradictory. As a lawyer, I am sure you would have 
found the inquisitions I submitted myself to, quite willingly at 
that, over the years, interesting. These were interrogative sessions 
where I HAD to ANSWER questions of my inquisitor friends, while they 
didn't to mine :-).

I don't always have answers, much less good ones. But I try.

The most important thing  however, is to think critically and 
rationally. One thing is for sure, leading questions, even though 
they might be sins in your profession, do help in confronting issues 
head-on. So don't hesitate to do that, but forthrightly. I benefit 
from it, because it makes me think. Hopefully it helps others too.

I like to be challenged. To be stumped does not hurt my ego or a 
sense of omniscience. I always tell, that I don't owe it to anyone to 
know anything, much less everything.

Take care,

c-dada




At 9:02 PM +0530 10/16/06, Nayanjyoti Medhi wrote:
>Hello Dada,
>Thank you for indulging me.
>I was sure, you would burst after reading my 1st reply and will put 
>me on the firing line, then i thought lets give it another try.
>and long after that i started writing. Sorry, won't be replying to 
>your observations now. Please indulge me more as i am preparing a 
>case. bear with me for some more time but I really would get back to 
>you.
>BUt let me answer the most important of your queries
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>*** First off, I wished you would have disavowed the first one as an 
>unfortunate knee-jerk reaction, instead of asking me to read it as a 
>part of an overall response :-) -- I sticked to my first reply 
>alongwith my other replies because if I hadn't, You would have 
>doubted my sincerity. Infact I myself would have doubted my 
>sincerity. Yes I was enraged. But that doesn't change the thoughts 
>that creeped up in my mind. So I wrote what I thought at that point 
>of time was right.
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>Nayan 
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>p.s: All these you've written to me now, why didn't you place it 
>earlier on Assam net. I suppose it takes someone like me to get it 
>all out of you? eh...  ;)
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>On 10/16/06, Chan Mahanta 
><<mailto:cmahanta at charter.net>cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:
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>Hello Nayan:
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>I received all three of your replies. After reading the first two, I 
>was wondering if I should have spent the effort I did in responding 
>to you in the first place. But after this one, I felt that perhaps 
>you were not entirely insincere, just not clear about issues. That 
>is no sin. Happens to the best of the lot.
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>With that prologue, allow me to respond to your queries and also 
>share my observations :
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>*** First off, I wished you would have disavowed the first one as an 
>unfortunate knee-jerk reaction, instead of asking me to read it as a 
>part of an overall response :-). But I will get back to later.
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>*** I will also get back to the second one, even if you don't want 
>me to respond :-).
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>  > I'm not in a same boat with anyone. Infact I don't know anyone 
>in >Assamnet personnally or otherwise. I come here because i want 
>to >gather knowledge. Know what others think. What is their 
>perceptions >of the problems and blah blah blah.....
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>*** Being in the same boat with someone else is a manner of speech, 
>'kothaar maat', and one does not have to know another person 
>personally to be so.
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>         problems that none of us can just wash-off saying you did not
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>         take part in it. I guess you could, but obviously to no avail. Would I
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>         be wrong to conclude that? Loaded Gun? Ancestors? 
>Span >Generations? What are you saying Dada? Have you been to 
>Assam >recently? If you have, you won't tell me the above. If you 
>haven't, >no use answering your questions because you won't 
>understand from >there. Its a very long way back home.  :)
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>*** Since you wanted to discuss what you referred to, very 
>cryptically, as "wrong decisions", and you did not explain what 
>those wrong decisions were and who took them, how on earth did you 
>expect me, or for that matter anybody else to engage in it?
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>As a practising lawyer in the high-court, I would have hoped that 
>you would have
>spoken out clearly and forthrightly. I had no clue to what you were 
>talking about. I am beginning to have an inkling about it now, but 
>still not quite sure.
>It still is only the vaguest of guesses that you might have been 
>alluding to the ULFA insurgency. But if that is what you had in 
>mind, why couldn't you say it out loud and clear, with the courage 
>of your convictions, instead of speaking in riddles? I wouldn't have 
>held it against you. No-one would have. Almost everyone I debate in 
>Assamnet on this issue mince no words about their beliefs and wishes.
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>Anyway, if THAT was what it was, would you like to re-state what you 
>want to discuss or share your opinions about it? Maybe hen we can 
>have a meanigful dialogue. What?
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>Yes, I have been to Assam three times in the last two years. A 
>little more frequently than in the past. However I don't get to meet 
>important people when I go there. I visit family, make a trip to my 
>ancestral village, and the last time
>took care of some charitable business with some highly unimportant 
>people way out there at Silapthar, that some of my fellow 
>'markhowas' ( that is sondon-speak for  Markin Kharkhowas) entrusted 
>me with. And nowhere I had to confront any ULFA insurgency issues, 
>other than that in one of those trips my taxi-driver was harassed by 
>Indian military at a bridge in upper-Assam. But once the soldier 
>realized he was driving a 'phoren-Osomiya', promptly the Hindiwalla 
>backed down. I suspect he would not have done so if it were an 
>ordinary Oxomiya, do you think?
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>  >Yes we need a revolt. I personally feel it. But  a revolt 
>against >what? A revolt is not a solution and what we need is a 
>solution to >the needs of the present Assamese society.
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>*** Hmmm! You are making two completely contradictory statements. 
>Which should I go with? A revolt, or no revolt?
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>If you think a revolution is needed, against what? And a revolution 
>does not necessarily have to be an armed one, or a bloody one, does 
>it?
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>If you are not sure what it needs to be against, do ask me/us. I/we 
>will be pleased to guide you along.
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>And if you don't think one is needed, but still feel 'you are NOT 
>allowed' to participate by the powers that be, and are clueless 
>about how to get to have a say in the running of your society's 
>affairs in the much touted 'liberal democracy' of India, then it is 
>as serious problem. I suspect you are not alone here.
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>So, do tell us, which of the above is true, or if it is something 
>entirely different, but clearly and forthrightly. THEN we can start 
>talking meaningfully, and hopefully productively.
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>  >In the 70's and 80's there were revolts too. What happened? 
>A >generation of youths were wiped out from Assam. And why? Is there 
>a >answer?
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>*** You tell me! I wasn't there. I left Assam in 1963, and left India in 1970.
>Oh I know a lot about it. I also read the book by Sanjoy Hazarika 
>that you recommended. But I would like to hear YOUR version of 
>events: Why ULFA took up arms, instead of doing what the rest of you 
>have been doing, what the outcomes have been--ULFA's activites' and 
>the non-ULFAs' activities.
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>I would also like to hear from YOU, about what has changed since 
>then, about the CAUSES that gave rise to the ULFA rebellion, and 
>correlate them the conditions of today, including HOW it makes YOU 
>feel that YOU and others like you, CANNOT be a part of the solution 
>to the problems you see.
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>Once we can pin them down, we can look at ways to rectify them. 
>There are a whole lot of people here, who are extremely intelligent, 
>highly experienced, equal to the best in the world if not even 
>better by dint of their Assam specific knowledge. I am sure they 
>will all like to contribute to helping YOU and those others in your 
>shoes who feel disenfranchised and helpless.
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>  >Once it starts, it never ends.
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>*** You touch on an crucial point here. WHY do you think it never 
>ends? The American war of independence ended, the Indian struggle 
>ended, the South African ended. But what is it with the myriads of 
>conflicts in our godforsaken land --
>that never ends, be it the Naga conflict, be it the Assam one, be it 
>the Manipur one -- you name it? What in your mind is the problem 
>here? The Naga conflict is now the world's longest running 
>low-intensity warfare, if you did not know.
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>  >What is needed is a revolt for change, adaptation with the 
>new >emerging trends and new everything.
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>*** Tell me about it . Where did I hear that before :-)? I agree. 
>But the big question is WHAT stands in the way, as you see it?  I 
>have my ideas, as do others. But let us hear about YOUR assessment 
>here, because it is about YOU who live in Assam, and not about those 
>of us who left.
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>  >A society can't be changed in a whiff. It needs time. And thats 
>what >we don't have.
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>*** I agree with the two former points.  And that ties in very well 
>with what I asked earlier about what has changed regarding the 
>conditions that gave rise to the ULFA insurgency.
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>However I cannot concur with your view that you don't have time. 
>Actually you have NOTHING else! For if you did have something else 
>going for you, things WOULD have CHANGED. The world has changed 
>dramatically in the last quarter century. One would have hoped that 
>the causes that gave rise to the Oxom Andwlon and subsequently ULFA, 
>would have changed perceptibly too in these long twenty five years 
>of Assam's nightmare. But have they?  If I read you correctly they 
>have not. I would like to hear of your views in your own words.
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>And we will go from there.
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>Best.
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>c-dada
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>At 12:48 PM +0530 10/15/06, Nayanjyoti Medhi wrote:
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>>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>From: Nayanjyoti Medhi 
>><<mailto:nayanjyoti.medhi at gmail.com>nayanjyoti.medhi at gmail.com >
>>Date: Oct 14, 2006 11:35 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Assam] What a shame! YOUR Qs ANSWERED IN CAPS
>>To: Chan Mahanta <<mailto:cmahanta at charter.net> cmahanta at charter.net>
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>Dada, Its Around 11 at night here in Guwahati and i have nothing 
>better to do. High Court is on vacation and we Wakils are relaxed 
>for a while. So i'll try to do what you do with my communications. 
>Dissect the sentences and then try to write long paragraphs as 
>answers. What I wrote earlier in the evening can be read with this 
>letter as i am still bound by what i have written.
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>*****Glad to make your acquaintance. Nice to know that you are a 
>practising lawyer  and that too in the high court. Often we play 
>'baam-ukil' here, without anyone being able help us with questions. 
>Now we know we can speak to a real-life lawyer to help us out.    No 
>Comments
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>*** Glad to know you realize it. I was almost afraid you too were in 
>the same boat with Jyoti, from your note of support for his position.
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>It is OK to have different views and not to agree with someone. But 
>when we differ or oppose, we also have an obligation to explain why. 
>Just telling someone that she is wrong, does not go anywhere. 
>Because why discuss and debate is to try and persuade others, and 
>not merely to assert our own righteousness. And it is patently rude 
>to go attack someone personally, directly or indirectly for any 
>heartburn that their views may cause us :-). I'm not in a same boat 
>with anyone. Infact I don't know anyone in Assamnet personnally or 
>otherwise. I come here because i want to gather knowledge. Know what 
>others think. What is their perceptions of the problems and blah 
>blah blah.....
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>*** That is a loaded gun you aim here Nayan :-).
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>         A: What WRONG decision are you referring to? And WHO took
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>         B: And if these decisions were taken by your 'pitamoh' ( ancestors)
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>         :-), and they span generations, it tells me these might be societal
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>         problems that none of us can just wash-off saying you did not
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>         take part in it. I guess you could, but obviously to no avail. Would I
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>         be wrong to conclude that? Loaded Gun? Ancestors? Span 
>Generations? What are you saying Dada? Have you been to Assam 
>recently? If you have, you won't tell me the above. If you haven't, 
>no use answering your questions because you won't understand from 
>there. Its a very long way back home.  :)
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>*** IF the previous generation created these problems you refer to, 
>why are they NOT helping resolve it? But more importantly, is your 
>society being run by that previous generation only, or are you, the 
>present generation, a part of that same society and thus a part of 
>the solution?
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>I ask, because I cannot imagine the adults of a society like 
>yourselves can remain outside of solutions to their societal needs. 
>If your previous generation is keeping yours outside of its 
>governance, then YOU, my friend, need nothing less than a revolt to 
>take your rightful place in running your present and shaping your 
>future. And you all have no excuses for not being involved, if you 
>live in the much touted 'liberal democracy' of India. Yes we need a 
>revolt. I personally feel it. But  a revolt against what? A 
>revolt is not a solution and what we need is a solution to the needs 
>of the present Assamese society. In the 70's and 80's there were 
>revolts too. What happened? A generation of youths were wiped out 
>from Assam. And why? Is there a answer? Once it starts, it never 
>ends. It did not end with Independence of India and it won't end 
>even if Assam is liberated. What is needed is a revolt for change, 
>adaptation with the new emerging trends and new everything. A 
>society can't be changed in a whiff. It needs time. And thats what 
>we don't have.
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>*** I know you say that because you want to be generous :-) to us 
>netters. But if by some chance you are serious, then you are 
>harboring extremely unrealistic expectations which will lead to 
>nothing but damaging disappointments.
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>On the other hand however, yes, this net can indeed facilitate a 
>dialogue, a discussion and a debate  in describing the issues and 
>developing solution scenarios for what confronts Assam. Yes 
>occasionally we might even be able to offer an idea or lend a 
>helping hand. But you all in Assam alone can and will have to 
>resolve your society's problems.    I have no expectations so i 
>won't be dissapointed. But yes, as you said, this net can facilitate 
>a dialogue, a discussion and debates so that hopefully a idea will 
>emerge which can be given effect to. This net can be a medium. But 
>it has its limitations and the worst of it is the discouragement 
>that is shown to new ideas ( it is my personal feeling from what i 
>have observed, am i may be corrected).
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>*** While I entirely agree with the latter above, I cannot imagine 
>WHO or WHY anyone, anyone at all, would wish to or attempt to either 
>discourage your involvement, much less push you aside or throw you 
>out . No one I have ever known, even the most stridently 
>iconoclastic of NRAs I have known, would do any such thing.  I have 
>explained this in my previous mail. Please don't take offence as he 
>happens to be your brother but what i have stated is true.
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>Not that you have brought this up, but you all must remember few 
>very important thing about us ex-pats, because I can sense the 
>underlying assumptions in the various exchanges of recent days:
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>         Even though we lead a reasonably comfortable and secure 
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>         .................... well does dry up.  Well I do not think 
>it would be proper for me to discuss the above.
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>The lesson here is this: Charity will not deliver Assam to the 
>promised land. Assam must create the opportunities for itself by 
>managing its above average resources for ALL its people. It is the 
>only way! Assam has never asked for CHARITY. This land had always 
>given, not taken rom others. People come here to earn, not to give 
>charity. Investment yes, Charity No. Why do you think this land is a 
>heaven for the illegal emigrants? BEcause they get charity here? No, 
>there is enough resources available here to exploit and to make one 
>rich.
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>Anyways, thankyou for the effort you have taken to reply to my whims.
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>With Regards
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>Nayan
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>On 10/14/06, Chan Mahanta 
><<mailto:cmahanta at charter.net>cmahanta at charter.net > wrote:
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>Hello Nayan:
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>Greeting from St. Louis, in the heartland of America.
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>Glad to make your acquaintance. Nice to know that you are a 
>practising lawyer  and that too in the high court. Often we play 
>'baam-ukil' here, without anyone being able help us with questions. 
>Now we know we can speak to a real-life lawyer to help us out. 
>Sorry, but I don't think we will be able to keep you on retainer :-).
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>  >Its not true that I/we have any disagreement with the 
>political >viewpoint of anyone. Anyone can have his/her personal 
>viewpoint on >any subject.
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>*** Glad to know you realize it. I was almost afraid you too were in 
>the same boat with Jyoti, from your note of support for his position.
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>It is OK to have different views and not to agree with someone. But 
>when we differ or oppose, we also have an obligation to explain why. 
>Just telling someone that she is wrong, does not go anywhere. 
>Because why discuss and debate is to try and persuade others, and 
>not merely to assert our own righteousness. And it is patently rude 
>to go attack someone personally, directly or indirectly for any 
>heartburn that their views may cause us :-).
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>  >But the very specific point that I would like to point out is that 
>- >The wrong decisions that lead to the present socio political 
>scenerio >of Assam/Asom/Axom..... were not taken by this present 
>generation.
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>*** That is a loaded gun you aim here Nayan :-).
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>         A: What WRONG decision are you referring to? And WHO took
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>         those decisions?
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>         B: And if these decisions were taken by your 'pitamoh' ( ancestors)
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>         :-), and they span generations, it tells me these might be societal
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>         problems that none of us can just wash-off saying you did not
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>         take part in it. I guess you could, but obviously to no avail. Would I
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>  >So I think the remedy should also started by the same Generation 
>who >took the right decisions to make this land Xonar Axom, and if 
>they >can't then let us help.
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>  >In Assam net I have come across some great discussions and 
>really >great ideas. And maybe this forum would go a long way in 
>solving the >problems that persist in this land.
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>*** I know you say that because you want to be generous :-) to us 
>netters. But if by some chance you are serious, then you are 
>harboring extremely unrealistic expectations which will lead to 
>nothing but damaging disappointments.
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>On the other hand however, yes, this net can indeed facilitate a 
>dialogue, a discussion and a debate  in describing the issues and 
>developing solution scenarios for what confronts Assam. Yes 
>occasionally we might even be able to offer an idea or lend a 
>helping hand. But you all in Assam alone can and will have to 
>resolve your society's problems.
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>  >But then nothing will happen if we are thrown 
>out/discouraged, >because we are ones who will face tomorrow and 
>will carry the torch >forward.
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>*** While I entirely agree with the latter above, I cannot imagine 
>WHO or WHY anyone, anyone at all, would wish to or attempt to either 
>discourage your involvement, much less push you aside or throw you 
>out . No one I have ever known, even the most stridently 
>iconoclastic of NRAs I have known, would do any such thing.
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>That however, is entirely different from giving or withholding 
>active support for whatever one may put forth.
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>Not that you have brought this up, but you all must remember few 
>very important thing about us ex-pats, because I can sense the 
>underlying assumptions in the various exchanges of recent days:
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>         Even though we lead a reasonably comfortable and secure life, by
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>         and large, our sense of vulnerability is far higher than the
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>         average, because few if any of us have had the safety net of
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>         an extended family and friends unlike our counterparts back in
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>         Assam do. Therefore most of us immigrants, have always had
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>         to weigh our involvement in whatever we do against how it
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>         might impact our financial security. But it will change as 
>our children
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>         The above is exactly why you see so few entrepreneurs amongst us. Most
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>         in Assam that us NRAs are hugely wealthy. Yes a few may be, but so
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>         unrealistic to expect large or significant charitable outlays
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>         from them. A couple of hundred dollars for this and that is different.
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>         issues in our younger days. Therefore I can empathize with what
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>         Ours also is a small community. We all have held the same ideals
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>         bright-eyed optimism of unfettered young adults in prosperous
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>         Assam with our new found empowerment  soon gave way to the stark
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>         realities of raising a family and securing their futures. We
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>         attempted to do so many different  things for Assam! I personally
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>         People give once, twice and may even three times. But comes a time
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>The lesson here is this: Charity will not deliver Assam to the 
>promised land. Assam must create the opportunities for itself by 
>managing its above average resources for ALL its people. It is the 
>only way!
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>To that end good luck and god-speed to you all. And do count on us to lend
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>At 10:23 PM +0530 10/13/06, Nayanjyoti Medhi wrote:
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>>Mahanta Da,
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>*** It is not a secret that yours, Jyoti's, Nayan's , Rajib's and a 
>lot many others' angst in assamnet is rooted in your disagreements 
>with the political viewpoints of those such as yours truly. 
>--------Its not true that I/we have any disagreement with the 
>political viewpoint of anyone. Anyone can have his/her personal 
>viewpoint on any subject. But the very specific point that I would 
>like to point out is that - The wrong decisions that lead to the 
>present socio political scenerio of Assam/Asom/Axom..... were not 
>taken by this present generation. So I think the remedy should also 
>started by the same Generation who took the right decisions to make 
>this land Xonar Axom, and if they can't then let us help. In Assam 
>net I have come across some great discussions and really great 
>ideas. And maybe this forum would go a long way in solving the 
>problems that persist in this land. But then nothing will happen if 
>we are thrown out/discouraged, because we are ones who will face 
>tomorrow and will carry the torch forward. Dada, let the people 
>unite, remove the generation gap. Then maybe someday ..........
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>Regards
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>Nayan
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>On 10/13/06, Chan Mahanta 
><<mailto:cmahanta at charter.net>cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:
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>Hi Momy:
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>Thanks for your response. I am delighted to see a young Oxomiya 
>woman holding her ground and providing leadership and courage to 
>others like Jyoti Das and Nayan Medhi  for example in a forum such 
>as assamnet. That is MY kind of an Oxomiya; courageous, proud and 
>willing to take a stand for what she believes in :-). So all powers 
>to you Momy.
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>Having said that, I think it is important to point out out what was 
>wrong about the OPINIONS that you delivered in your farewell note/s:
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>*** First off, your disappointments about assamnetters and assamnet 
>were indeed rooted on an unexpressed assumption that it is a forum 
>which ought to discuss
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>only projects and issues such as what you hold dear, to the 
>exclusion of issues that others might find more interesting. No 
>doubt yours and others' like yourself who expressed such sentiments 
>are GOOD and laudable issues/projects.
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>But it does not mean, in any way shape or form, that other issues 
>could not or should not be pursued at the same time.
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>*** It is not a secret that yours, Jyoti's, Nayan's , Rajib's and a 
>lot many others' angst in assamnet is rooted in your disagreements 
>with the political viewpoints of those such as yours truly. You, 
>just like anybody else here, are entitled to your views. But it 
>would have been better if you could express that forthrightly, 
>instead of finding other reasons to vent your frustrations. That is 
>what I alluded to as the "Urohi gosor wr onyo korbaat", which 
>roughly translated means that the real root of the disappointments 
>are different from what was presented as.
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>*** Your assumptions about the 'older generation' of expatriate 
>Oxomiyas as a self-centered lot, unwilling to help others is a 
>rather shallow and ignorant one. It is a typically unenviable 
>Indian/Kharkhowa trait of making broad brush
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>judgements about a whole class of people based on scanty sampling.
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>*** What *I* do or have done, either as charity or as public 
>service, is MY business. I don't need anybody's approval or 
>judgement about its adequacy. Besides, it is neither about ME, nor 
>you, nor Rini Kakati, whom you have singled out as a villain :-). 
>That is why I shall not speak about it here.
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>*** It is also true that as laudable as charitable efforts are, they 
>are merely
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>outlets for salving one's guilt, and are inadequate vehicles for 
>improving Assam's lot.
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>Personally I have no need to resort to charitable efforts to soothe 
>my feelings of guilt. The burden of my guilt is far less than most I 
>know. But I have nothing against those who do.
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>*** I do have a right to use the words I do to characterize opinions 
>of others, including 'naive', just as you do. But I use words 
>judiciously and carefully, and only when I can back them up.
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>If you would like to know why I used the word naive, let me know, I 
>will be pleased to explain :-).
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>  >NOT TRYING TO PROVE ANYTHING.
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>*** Not true. The haughtiness with which you dismissed assamnet, and 
>thus its many participants, was a poor display of your own 
>self-importance and self-image. While you are entitled to it, others 
>don't need to accept it without a word :-).
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>  >I won't go into details now(YOU ARE ALWAYS WELCOME IF YOU WANT 
>TO), but if you >would like for me to, I will be pleased to take 
>them up for discussion at a >later time.(WHY PRIVATE..IT STARTED IN 
>A PUBLIC FORUM, KEEP IT THAT WAY)>
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>*** I don't get into private debates about public issues.
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>WILL SHARE MY >OPINION WITH A YOUNGER MEMBER IN THE EXACT SAME WAY 
>AS YOU HAVE DONE).
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>*** Discussions/debates and action are not mutually exclusive of 
>each other. Both can happen at the same time. Assamnet is NOT an 
>action group, never has been, never will be. So if you came here 
>with the expectation that it will be a platform for launching 
>ACTIONS, while entirely possible ( I have personally led such 
>efforts in the past and more than once), is not at all a given and 
>not a realistic expectation. That *I*  have learnt from my nearly 12 
>years in assamnet. But the difference between you and I is that I 
>did NOT leave in a huff, because I could not interest others in what 
>I consider worthwhile or important. When I failed, it was due to my 
>inability to communicate and persuade. And when we succeeded ( yes 
>we did too) it was because others did participate and contribute.
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>That is what I and Ram too attempted to point out to you, but 
>unsuccessfully. No doubt because you already knew everything you 
>needed to :-) about assamnet.
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>  >WELL THAN POINT ME TOWARDS THE RIGHT DIRECTION, DONT ASK ME TO 
>ARGUE, DEBATE >AND DISCUSS)
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>*** It is not my place to teach someone like you Momy.I was merely 
>attempting to point out what was missing from your assessments and 
>verdicts. I do however serve as a teacher to those who learn from 
>what I point out, just as all  those others from whom *I* have 
>learnt so much over a decade and more.
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>In fact I can, without any hesitation what-so-ever, declare that I 
>have learnt MORE about Assam (and India  too) from this forum than 
>anywhere else in my entire life, in-spite of the fact that I grew up 
>in what is essentially  Assam's heartland. And I know I am the 
>better for it.
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>Assamnet is, without a doubt, the most important forum for Assam and 
>the Oxomiya identity that has developed in this IT age. And the 
>credit for it goes to Prof. Jugal Kalita,Prof. Deep Medhi and the 
>people who contribute to its existence and expansion thru their 
>participation.
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>  >AND AM NOT AT THE LEAST INTERESTED IN  ALL YOUR OPINIONS ABOUT ME 
>( ESP. MR >MAHANTA)..
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>***  But the opinions that *I* have expressed  are a RESULT of the 
>opinions that you expressed and implied Momy.  I do not go about 
>finding ways to express opinions of others in this net or anywhere 
>else. But I do speak out when I find reasons to take issue with 
>others'.
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>Another long one here. Nice to have spoken to you. Wish you the best 
>on all your efforts, personal as well as societal.
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>cm
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>At 4:19 PM +0100 10/12/06, Momy Saikia wrote:
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>>Hi Momy (HELLO MR MAHANTA):
>>
>>
>>I was disappointed to read your note on the disappointments of your
>>own (YOU SHOULD BE AND EVERYONE ELSE BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T APPRAISE 
>>AN YOUTH'S OPINION).
>>
>>Allow me to share a little observation of mine, with the hope that
>>you will take a moment of your precious time to ponder(I ALWAYS 
>>HAVE TIME FOR ANY CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM AS ITS ONE OF THE REASONS 
>>BEHIND MY DEVELOPMENT):
>>Expectations is the mother of all disappointments!" (WELL IF YOU 
>>ASK ME...EXPECTATION IS THE MOTHER OF ACHIEVEMENT)..... Is it 
>>catchy or
>>what? (ITS DEGRADING THE TERM FOR ME SO NOT CATCHY AT ALL SIR) 
>>Remember you heard it here first :-)( I NEVER HEARD OF IT AND EVEN 
>>IF I DID, I WOULDN'T MAKE SENSE OF IT BECAUSE THESE PROVERBS ARE 
>>OUTCOME OF SOMEONE'S EXPERIENCE NOT MINE).
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>The point is that you had expectations of assamnetters (NEVER DID, 
>>>THATS YOUR PRESSUMPTION); does not matter if they are realistic, 
>>>meaningful, useful, or otherwise(ANY INTELLIGENT BEING WOULD AGREE 
>>>THAT TAKING AN ACTION TO HELP SOMEONE ISN'T UNREALISTIC, NON 
>>>MEANINGFULL OR USELESS). And since those were not met (TRUE), you 
>>>are leaving the forum (LEAVING THE FORUM BECAUSE, I WOULD RATHER 
>>>INVEST TIME IN ACTIONS THAN DISCUSSIONS WHICH LEADS ME NOWHERE BUT 
>>>RESULTS IN RESENTMENT TOWARDS DIFFERENT PEOPLE OR GOVT IN THE 
>>>END), in a huff (WELLCOME TO THE 21st CENTURY, IF YOU NEED 
>>>SOMETHING DONE THAN DO IT NOW),
>>>
>waving your own virtues(CAUSE I BELIEVE IN THEM UNLIKE MOST OF YOU), 
>imagined or real(ABSOLUTELY REAL AND SO I AM ABLE TO PUT THEM INTO 
>ACTIONS),
>for others to see and go (ACTUALLY TO IRK MINDS LIKE YOU...THE 
>POSITIVE OUTCOME OF MY MAIL IS THAT SOME PEOPLE HAVE MAILED ME IN 
>PERSON OFFERING HELP TO BUILD A SITE...BUT YOU AGAIN TOOK TIME TO 
>WRITE ME A PAGE FULL OF YOUR OPINION ABOUT ME AND WANTING A DEBATE 
>OUT OF IT) ( --Wow! What a young lady of action she is (SURE I AM, 
>ELSE I WOULDN'T HAVE THE CONFIDENCE TO POINT AT THE "WORDS ONLY" 
>GROUP).
>
>>
>>
>>But I understand ( I SERIOUSLY HOPE YOU DO). Most do(AGAIN I CAN 
>>HOPE THAT THEY DO). We have seen them all here (THIS COULD ONLY 
>>MEAN TO ME THAT YOU HAVE BEEN POSTING YOUR OPINIONS ON THIS SITE 
>>SINCE IT FIRST STARTED). Good news (NOT REALLY CAUSE YOU ARE 
>>WASTING YOUR TIME)
>>however is that you are young (JUST 25, LOT OF EXPECTATIONS YET), 
>>and hopefully still open to learning (I WOULDN'T BE DEVELOPING IF I 
>>WASNT OPEN TO LEARNING)
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>
>new tricks unlike some old us old dogs (DONOT EVER HUMILIATE 
>YOURSELF...NO ONE CALLS YOU THAT , I AM SURE) . And it is NOT a 
>beauty contest (I DO UNDERSTAND SIR, SEEKING HELP FROM YOU GUYS TO 
>HELP OTHERS ISN'T A THOUGHT OF A BEAUTY ONLY...BEAUTY+BRAINS) here 
>-- to prove what a hot-s--t one is or not (NOT TRYING TO PROVE 
>ANYTHING..DO READ MY MAIL ONCE MORE) :-).
>
>
>
>New tricks? (TRICKS???THOUGHT I WAS STRAIGHT FORWARD) Indeed. You 
>have shown how naive(WITH ALL DUE RESPECT SIR, INSPITE OF YOUR AGE 
>YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO USE "SUCH" WORDS AGAINST ME) you are about some 
>of your assumptions (ASSUMPTIONS GET YOU STARTED WITH ANY PROBLEM), 
>beliefs ( CAUSE I BELEIVE IN THEM) and expectations(TO BE ABLE TO 
>ACHIEVE, I NEED TO EXPECT), from the few notes you posted here(FEW 
>BUT SUBSTANTIAL). I won't go into details now(YOU ARE ALWAYS WELCOME 
>IF YOU WANT TO), but if you would like for me to, I will be pleased 
>to take them up for discussion at a later time.(WHY PRIVATE..IT 
>STARTED IN A PUBLIC FORUM, KEEP IT THAT WAY)>
>
>But that is nothing new (YOUR OPINION AGAIN SIR). You are not alone 
>in your naivete (I WOULD BE GLAD IF YOU ARE NOT ONE OF MY KIND 
>THAN). We have all been there(HAVE YOU??NOT REALLY OR ELSE YOU WON'T 
>BE STILL A MEMBER OF THE FORUM). Again good news is that we can shed 
>them(NO INTENSIONS OF SHEDDING MY QUALITIES). How? Yes, by 
>talking(TALK AND TALK AND TALK SO THAT BY THE TIME I AM OF YOUR AGE, 
>I WILL SHARE MY OPINION WITH A YOUNGER MEMBER IN THE EXACT SAME WAY 
>AS YOU HAVE DONE). By
>debating, discussing and deliberating and by paying attention(I 
>DON'T HAVE TIME FOR PROLONGED DISCUSSIONS OR DEBATES).
>
>You may ask: But isn't that a waste of time? Aren't you guys just 
>blowing air, accomplishing NOTHING? (THERE YOU GO..SEE YOU FINALLY 
>KNOW ME BETTER)
>
>Well, it would be, IF that is ALL we do (YOU WOULD KNOW BETTER).
>
>See Momy, discussing and debating the issues we do, is NOT mutually 
>exclusive of doing something concrete(WHICH I QUITE WELL UNDERSTOOD 
>EVEN BEFORE YOU MENTIONED).
>
>
>That is what you fail to recognize(MAYBE, THANK U FOR TAKING THE 
>EFFORT TO MAKE ME REALISE). Again, no harm done. You have a lot of 
>time to learn(I AGREE WITH YOU THERE).
>
>Many netters do many things--for their own betterment and for 
>others' too. Not all talk of their actions or contributions. And 
>besides, there is ALWAYS a whole lot more to the persona of these 
>people than what their posts in assamnet may indicate. It will do 
>you good to be aware of that(PLEASE MAKE ME AWARE OF WHAT YOU HAVE 
>DONE SO FAR AS YOU CLAIM TO BE OLD ..YOU HAVE HAD YOUR WHOLE LIFE 
>AHEAD).
>
>What is important to recognize however, is that those who know 
>better, or are expected to know better--people like yourselves, 
>cannot and must not remain smug in your own righteousness, your 
>self-image of a person of action, like you assert(WELL THAN POINT ME 
>TOWARDS THE RIGHT DIRECTION, DONT ASK ME TO ARGUE, DEBATE AND 
>DISCUSS). For if you do, you will be NO DIFFERENT from those who you 
>perceive, albeit on scant and superficial evidence of assamnet 
>posts, to be mere hot-air blowers, or having little to contribute 
>towards what YOU consider meaningful. What is meaningful can come in 
>many, many forms(JUST AN EXAMPLE FROM YOU IS WHAT I AM REQUESTING 
>FOR..BESIDES I CLEARLY MENTIONED TWO CATEGORIES IN MY CONCLUDING 
>LINE..PLEASE READ IT).
>
>Another thing  is that, we know, often a new member would leave in a 
>huff, because netters' criticisms/comments  hurt their sense of what 
>they hold dear(I BELEIVE IN MYSELF AND SOME INDIVIDUAL WHO IS 
>VIRTUALLY KNOW TO ME JUST CANT HURT ME WITH WORDS..IT WILL TAKE YOU 
>LOT MORE): Often myths associated with their realities or their 
>beliefs (AGAIN FIRM BELEIEFS). And being unable or unwilling to 
>articulate a defense of their own values and views, they would cite 
>others' 'egos' or pro-this or anti-that or full-of-hot-air-ness(NOT 
>ME...BUT YOUR MAIL COULD BE A CLASSIC EXAMPLE). This is the 
>quintessential "Urohi-gosor-wrtw-onyo-korbat" syndrome(TAR MANE 
>NUBUJILU). There is only one cure for it: SPEAK UP, defend what you 
>believe(I ALWAYS DO CAUSE I HAVE NO FEAR OR SECOND THOUGHTS..I AM 
>CONFIDENT AND ALWAYS SPEAK OF THINGS I CAN DEFEND IF NECESSARY). You 
>will be surprised, that you CAN educate others(I KNOW THAT). And we 
>will all be the better for it.
>
>
>Gave you an earful, didn't I :-)?(I CAN ABSORB MORE BUT DONT'T MAKE 
>IT A HABBIT)
>
>Take care(U TOO), and whether you return to assamnet or not,(I WON'T 
>AFTER TODAY) all the best to you and yours(AND TO YOU SIR).
>
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>cm(MOMY)
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