[Assam] Need of Uniform in Assam Assembly
Ram Sarangapani
assamrs at gmail.com
Mon Aug 13 13:18:50 PDT 2007
Hi C'da,
I will try to answer this:
> *And if they are the only ones outraged or aggrieved*,* then is >it **ALL
of Assam's Hindus or most or just a handful of them?*
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The way I understood Chitta in his use of "Assamese Hindus" was simply that
whenever many Assamese raise their voices against this illegal immigration
from B'desh, there are others that make it a Hindu-Muslim problem (which it
really isn't).
Then accusations of being anti-Muslim heaped on most people who just see
this as an illegal immigarion problem is seen as an affront.
And your question is a tad odd. Obviously, there will be some Assamese
Hindus who really don't care if all of B'desh's population is in Assam.
I would say this, though: Those who are serious about Assam's and India's
welfare in this aspect should be outraged of such a massive influx.
So, IMHO this is just the ordinary, run-of-mill mass illegal immigation. It
is NOT Anti-Muslim or Anti Bengali, or anti-Sylhet or anti-Badarpur or
whatever. B'desh is a poor country, and they see opportunities in Assam and
other parts of India and they cross the border.
And the Govt. of B'desh has absolutely no backbone to take its own citizens
back.
>then what is the position of those who are in charge of protecting >the
borders and law-enforcement, detecting and deporting the* >illegals*? What
have successive governments spanning at least >three decades have done in
this matter of upholding the* LAW* of >the land?
Obviously, this is a National problem. But it certainly does not help where
we have state officials declaring that even the measly 38 they snared as
illegals - oh well really not illegals..
While the responsibility does rest with the GOI, the state of Assam
(successive governments) have not really cared for the issue. If they did,
how is that other NE states don't face such a serious problem as Assam?
>*** I am sure it is. That is because you all know and a number of >fine
netters have already branded me an anti-Indian and India-hater.
But how would such accusations and labels FORCE you to dilute such a serious
problem?. Would have thought, that wouldn't have happened :)
>how much more anti-Indian or India hater I am compared to those >who rule
India and are in charge of border protection and law->enforcement?
This is another interesting twist. Lets break this down:
IMHO::
Assam politicians: Want B'deshi Votes generally. Those who are not able to
garnish the votes, are all suddenly agog about the border control. They just
want to get elected.
But, bad as they are - they don't hate Assam or India
GOI/Central Politicians: GOI may want a Congress or whatever govt at the
state level. They too cosy up to illegals.
Or they are totally unaware of the problem or possible don't don't where
Assam is.
They don't hate Assam or India.
People in Assam: Generally most are worried about the illegal
problem(irrespective of their religious affiliations). But they too are not
too strong in making their feelings known.
They too don't hate India.
ULFA: Though it is not its responsibility, the fact that the leaders are
holed up in B'desh, and the fact that as "protectors" of Assam they really
havent made any strong statements against illegal Bangladeshi immigrants.
How do they convince the Assamese that B'deshis will not over-run Assam
completely once they attain the ellusive independence?
We all know, they hate India.
People in other States of India:
Many unaware of Assam. And if have heard of Assam, it is because of ULFA.
Many of those too have been trained to see such problems as a Hindu-Muslim
one. They will hear that loud and clear (if put in that context).
But they don't hate Assam or India either.
So, C'da, your statement:
>how much more anti-Indian or India hater I am compared to those >who rule
India >and are in charge of border protection and law->enforcement?
is not really correct. You can't equate the lack of interest or even
irresponsibility to hating or adoring Assam. Just because people who rule
India or those in charge may have a responsibility, and that they mau not
perform it well, does not mean they hate Assam.
Well - there, I have tried my best.
--Ram
On 8/13/07, Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:
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> *** I am not surprised Ram. But welcome to the fray .
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> There is a reason for my asking the question. I will explain after you
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> >It is the "legal" status they bear: Are they Indian citizens or
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> >All Indians ought to oppose the influx of* ILLEGAL* hordes of B'deshis.
> The word Illegal means that they >are NOT Indians.
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> *** OK, fair enough. But if that is what the reason is, then what is the
> position of those who are in charge of protecting the borders and
> law-enforcement, detecting and deporting the* illegals*? What have
> successive governments spanning at least three decades have done in this
> matter of upholding the* LAW* of the land? Or for that matter what do they
> say is their official position is on the matter? And I am asking not about
> just the Assamese outraged, but all Indians too; those who you opine*OUGHT
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> Let us hear answers about that, and we shall proceed to the next level of
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> >Their religion, the 'lungi-menace' etc are just your way of diluting a
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> *** I am sure it is. That is because you all know and a number of fine
> netters have already branded me an anti-Indian and India-hater. Question is
> how much more anti-Indian or India hater I am compared to those who rule
> India and are in charge of border protection and law-enforcement? Hope you
> will compare that and delineate for netters how I am doing compared to
> the real Indian patriots, elected by informed and issue-wise Indians , time
> and again, by popular votes, in the fine traditions of desi-demokrasy; who
> are running Assam and India ?
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> PS: Chitta does not have to write to me separately seeking assistance. You
> have opened the gates already. He can add to this as he sees fit :) .
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> *>And if they are the only ones outraged or aggrieved*,* then is it >ALL
> of Assam's Hindus or most or just a handful of them?* And >is it because
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> All Indians ought to oppose the influx of* ILLEGAL* hordes of B'deshis.
> The word Illegal means that they are NOT Indians. Their religion, the
> 'lungi-menace' etc are just your way of diluting a very serious problem in
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> BTW: You will find many Assamese Muslims who are equally disturbed by the
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> It is politically advantageous for certan groups in Assam to drive a wedge
> along religious lines on this issue, but the main issue still remains:
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> The truth is that Assam is under siege, and a not so silent invasion from
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> On 8/12/07,* Chan Mahanta* <cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:
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> *** I did not even touch the M word. Give me a break, will ya :-) ?
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> Assamese Hindus suffer >from >collective guilt complex by dubbing their anti
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> *** Seriously though, you have explained it right here in the above
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> home of B'deshi despising Hindus only?* And if they are the only ones
> outraged or aggrieved*,* then is it ALL of Assam's Hindus or most or just
> a handful of them?* And is it because of :
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> The color of their skin?
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> The lungis they wear and the skull-caps they flaunt?
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> The unkind cuts the male of their species live with?
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> The high wage jobs they deprive the natives of?
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> The economy they depress by their dependence on public charity?
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> The criminal activities they spread in society?
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> The economic progress they thwart by their habitual sloth?
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> Inundate the free public health-care system?
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> Flood the public school system with children of the non-producing,
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> Usurp and rob the Oxomiya bhaxa of its purity and ownership?
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> Other ills I have not mentioned, deliberately or otherwise?
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> If you are still in the dark, let me know. I will be pleased to explain
> more explicitly. But there are risks associated with seeking that extra bit
> of assistance. I am sure you know what those might be :-).
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> At 8:16 PM -0700 8/11/07, chittaranjan pathak wrote:
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> ""Anyone ( of the male species) looking like B'deshis must have to
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> Mahanta da
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> Why do you always want to equate the BDeshi issue with the Muslim one? I
> wonder whether you have a hidden agenda here in trying to make all Assamese
> Hindus suffer from collective guilt complex by dubbing their anti BDesh
> stance as an anti muslim one.
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> As far as I know-those who like the Assamese language will not like
> "Dhonyo Noro Tonu Bhaal" less than "Pita putra" just because former is
> penned by Abdul Mallick and later by Homen Borgohain.
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> For Assamese-lingustic and ethnic identities are more binding than
> religion.
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> BJP has some 10 seats in 126 Assam assembly. And bulk of the winners are
> from Barak valley. So what does it prove? Your attempt to paint BDeshi
> hating Assamese Hindus as Assamese religious bigot surely is not working.
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> Regards
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