[Assam] Need of Uniform in Assam Assembly
Chan Mahanta
cmahanta at charter.net
Mon Aug 13 14:11:50 PDT 2007
Ram:
>Well - there, I have tried my best.
*** I don't know Ram . I like to think your 'best' ought to be a
whole lot better than what you put forth :-).
You did not even answer the question below forthrightly, which I like
to think is a very easy one to answer. But there lies the problem. If
you answer it forthrightly, it would severely damage the entire
premise of your arguments .
But if you want to give it another try--this time forthrightly, I
will pretend you did not go thru the earlier round of beating around
the bush wildly :-).
c-da
At 2:18 PM -0600 8/13/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
>Hi C'da,
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>I will try to answer this:
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> > And if they are the only ones outraged or aggrieved, then
>is >it ALL of Assam's Hindus or most or just a handful of them?
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>The way I understood Chitta in his use of "Assamese Hindus" was
>simply that whenever many Assamese raise their voices against this
>illegal immigration from B'desh, there are others that make it a
>Hindu-Muslim problem (which it really isn't).
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>Then accusations of being anti-Muslim heaped on most people who just
>see this as an illegal immigarion problem is seen as an affront.
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>And your question is a tad odd. Obviously, there will be some
>Assamese Hindus who really don't care if all of B'desh's population
>is in Assam.
>I would say this, though: Those who are serious about Assam's and
>India's welfare in this aspect should be outraged of such a massive
>influx.
>So, IMHO this is just the ordinary, run-of-mill mass illegal
>immigation. It is NOT Anti-Muslim or Anti Bengali, or anti-Sylhet or
>anti-Badarpur or whatever. B'desh is a poor country, and they see
>opportunities in Assam and other parts of India and they cross the
>border.
>And the Govt. of B'desh has absolutely no backbone to take its own
>citizens back.
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> >then what is the position of those who are in charge of
>protecting >the borders and law-enforcement, detecting and deporting
>the >illegals? What have successive governments spanning at
>least >three decades have done in this matter of upholding the LAW
>of >the land?
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>Obviously, this is a National problem. But it certainly does not
>help where we have state officials declaring that even the measly 38
>they snared as illegals - oh well really not illegals..
>While the responsibility does rest with the GOI, the state of Assam
>(successive governments) have not really cared for the issue. If
>they did, how is that other NE states don't face such a serious
>problem as Assam?
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> >*** I am sure it is. That is because you all know and a number
>of >fine netters have already branded me an anti-Indian and
>India-hater.
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>But how would such accusations and labels FORCE you to dilute such a
>serious problem?. Would have thought, that wouldn't have happened :)
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> >how much more anti-Indian or India hater I am compared to
>those >who rule India and are in charge of border protection and
>law->enforcement?
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>This is another interesting twist. Lets break this down:
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>IMHO::
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>Assam politicians: Want B'deshi Votes generally. Those who are not
>able to garnish the votes, are all suddenly agog about the border
>control. They just want to get elected.
>But, bad as they are - they don't hate Assam or India
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>GOI/Central Politicians: GOI may want a Congress or whatever govt at
>the state level. They too cosy up to illegals.
>Or they are totally unaware of the problem or possible don't don't
>where Assam is.
>They don't hate Assam or India.
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>People in Assam: Generally most are worried about the illegal
>problem(irrespective of their religious affiliations). But they too
>are not too strong in making their feelings known.
>They too don't hate India.
>
>ULFA: Though it is not its responsibility, the fact that the leaders
>are holed up in B'desh, and the fact that as "protectors" of Assam
>they really havent made any strong statements against illegal
>Bangladeshi immigrants. How do they convince the Assamese that
>B'deshis will not over-run Assam completely once they attain the
>ellusive independence?
>We all know, they hate India.
>
>People in other States of India:
>Many unaware of Assam. And if have heard of Assam, it is because of
>ULFA. Many of those too have been trained to see such problems as a
>Hindu-Muslim one. They will hear that loud and clear (if put in that
>context).
>But they don't hate Assam or India either.
>
>So, C'da, your statement:
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> >how much more anti-Indian or India hater I am compared to
>those >who rule India >and are in charge of border protection and
>law->enforcement?
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>is not really correct. You can't equate the lack of interest or even
>irresponsibility to hating or adoring Assam. Just because people
>who rule India or those in charge may have a responsibility, and
>that they mau not perform it well, does not mean they hate Assam.
>
>Well - there, I have tried my best.
>
>--Ram
>
>On 8/13/07, Chan Mahanta
><<mailto:cmahanta at charter.net>cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:
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>Ram:
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>At 6:26 AM -0600 8/13/07, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
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>>C'da
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>Couldn't resist...
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>*** I am not surprised Ram. But welcome to the fray .
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>*** Let us start by answering the question:
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> And if they are the only ones outraged or aggrieved, then is it
> ALL of Assam's Hindus or most or just a handful of them?
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>There is a reason for my asking the question. I will explain after
>you do. But I like to think it won't be necessary.
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>> >It is the "legal" status they bear: Are they Indian citizens or
>>Bangladeshis enroaching into Assam?
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> >All Indians ought to oppose the influx of ILLEGAL hordes of
>B'deshis. The word Illegal means that they >are NOT Indians.
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>*** OK, fair enough. But if that is what the reason is, then what is
>the position of those who are in charge of protecting the borders
>and law-enforcement, detecting and deporting the illegals? What have
>successive governments spanning at least three decades have done in
>this matter of upholding the LAW of the land? Or for that matter
>what do they say is their official position is on the matter? And I
>am asking not about just the Assamese outraged, but all Indians too;
>those who you opine OUGHT to be outraged ?
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>Let us hear answers about that, and we shall proceed to the next
>level of the deliberations.
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> >Their religion, the 'lungi-menace' etc are just your way of
>diluting a very serious
> >problem in Assam.
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>*** I am sure it is. That is because you all know and a number of
>fine netters have already branded me an anti-Indian and India-hater.
>Question is how much more anti-Indian or India hater I am compared
>to those who rule India and are in charge of border protection and
>law-enforcement? Hope you will compare that and delineate for
>netters how I am doing compared to the real Indian patriots,
>elected by informed and issue-wise Indians , time and again, by
>popular votes, in the fine traditions of desi-demokrasy; who are
>running Assam and India ?
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>c-da
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>PS: Chitta does not have to write to me separately seeking
>assistance. You have opened the gates already. He can add to this as
>he sees fit :) .
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> >And if they are the only ones outraged or aggrieved, then is
>it >ALL of Assam's Hindus or most or just a handful of them? And
>>is it because of :
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> > The offenders' name?
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> > The color of their skin?
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> > Or is it because of their religious persuasion?
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>It is the "legal" status they bear: Are they Indian citizens or
>Bangladeshis enroaching into Assam?
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>All Indians ought to oppose the influx of ILLEGAL hordes of
>B'deshis. The word Illegal means that they are NOT Indians. Their
>religion, the 'lungi-menace' etc are just your way of diluting a
>very serious problem in Assam.
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>BTW: You will find many Assamese Muslims who are equally disturbed
>by the illegal B'deshi influx.
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>It is politically advantageous for certan groups in Assam to drive a
>wedge along religious lines on this issue, but the main issue still
>remains:
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>The truth is that Assam is under siege, and a not so silent invasion
>from Bangladesh.
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>--Assam
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>On 8/12/07, Chan Mahanta
><<mailto:cmahanta at charter.net>cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:
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> Hi Chitta:
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> > Why do you always want to equate the BDeshi issue with the Muslim one?
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> *** I did not even touch the M word. Give me a break, will ya :-) ?
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> >I wonder whether you have a hidden agenda here in trying to make
>all Assamese Hindus suffer >from >collective guilt complex by
>dubbing their anti BDesh stance as an anti muslim one.
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> *** Seriously though, you have explained it right here in the above
>statement you made.
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> " Assamese Hindus"
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>Are only 'Assamese Hindus' burdened by illegal immigrants ? Is Assam
>the home of B'deshi despising Hindus only? And if they are the only
>ones outraged or aggrieved, then is it ALL of Assam's Hindus or most
>or just a handful of them? And is it because of :
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> The offenders' name?
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> The color of their skin?
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> Their cuisine?
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> The language they speak?
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> The lungis they wear and the skull-caps they flaunt?
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> The unkind cuts the male of their species live with?
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> The high wage jobs they deprive the natives of?
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> The economy they depress by their dependence on public charity?
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> The criminal activities they spread in society?
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> The corruption they promote by bribery of public officials?
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> The economic progress they thwart by their habitual sloth?
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> Inundate the free public health-care system?
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> Flood the public school system with children of the
>non-producing, lowering the quality
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> of education?
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> Usurp and rob the Oxomiya bhaxa of its purity and ownership?
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> Other ills I have not mentioned, deliberately or otherwise?
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> Or is it because of their religious persuasion?
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>I gave a few clues to finding your way to the answer to you query,
>all by yourself.
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>So, what is it?
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>And what do you think my motives are; my agenda, hidden or overt?
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>If you are still in the dark, let me know. I will be pleased to
>explain more explicitly. But there are risks associated with seeking
>that extra bit of assistance. I am sure you know what those might be
>:-).
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>At 8:16 PM -0700 8/11/07, chittaranjan pathak wrote:
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>>""Anyone ( of the male species) looking like B'deshis must have to
>>prove their non-B'deshi status by
>>displaying accepted physical evidence to law-enforcement officials""
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>Mahanta da
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>Why do you always want to equate the BDeshi issue with the Muslim
>one? I wonder whether you have a hidden agenda here in trying
>to make all Assamese Hindus suffer from collective guilt complex by
>dubbing their anti BDesh stance as an anti muslim one.
>
>As far as I know-those who like the Assamese language will not like
>"Dhonyo Noro Tonu Bhaal" less than "Pita putra" just because former
>is penned by Abdul Mallick and later by Homen Borgohain.
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>For Assamese-lingustic and ethnic identities are more binding than religion.
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>BJP has some 10 seats in 126 Assam assembly. And bulk of the
>winners are from Barak valley. So what does it prove? Your attempt
>to paint BDeshi hating Assamese Hindus as Assamese religious bigot
>surely is not working.
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>Regards
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>Chitta
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