[Assam] Need of Uniform in Assam Assembly
Ram Sarangapani
assamrs at gmail.com
Mon Aug 13 19:46:57 PDT 2007
C'da
This is what I had written in response to your question:
> *And if they are the only ones outraged or aggrieved*,* then is **>it ALL
of Assam's Hindus or most or just a handful of them?*
My Response:
Obviously, *there will be some Assamese Hindus who really don't care if all
of B'desh's population is in Assam*. I would say this, though: Those who
are serious about Assam's and India's welfare in this aspect should be
outraged of such a massive influx. So, IMHO this is just the ordinary,
run-of-mill mass illegal immigation. It is NOT Anti-Muslim or Anti Bengali,
or anti-Sylhet or anti-Badarpur or whatever.
IMHO: It is NOT just Assamese Hindus or Assamese Muslims or whatever, but a
majority of Assamese are very concerned about this influx.
The minority Assamese who are not concerned or are pro-illegal
immigration must be politicians, or anti-Assam elements. Ordinary, everyday
Assamese are very concerned, irrespective of their religious backgrounds.
I am sorry, you may not like that answer, but thats what I feel.:)
--Ram
On 8/13/07, Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:
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> >Well - there, I have tried my best.
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> *** I don't know Ram . I like to think your 'best' ought to be a whole
> lot better than what you put forth :-).
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> You did not even answer the question below forthrightly, which I like to
> think is a very easy one to answer. But there lies the problem. If you
> answer it forthrightly, it would severely damage the entire premise of your
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> But if you want to give it another try--this time forthrightly, I will
> pretend you did not go thru the earlier round of beating around the bush
> wildly :-).
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> c-da
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> Hi C'da,
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> I will try to answer this:
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> > *And if they are the only ones outraged or aggrieved*,* then is >it ALL
> of Assam's Hindus or most or just a handful of them?*
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> The way I understood Chitta in his use of "Assamese Hindus" was simply
> that whenever many Assamese raise their voices against this illegal
> immigration from B'desh, there are others that make it a Hindu-Muslim
> problem (which it really isn't).
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> Then accusations of being anti-Muslim heaped on most people who just see
> this as an illegal immigarion problem is seen as an affront.
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> And your question is a tad odd. Obviously, there will be some Assamese
> Hindus who really don't care if all of B'desh's population is in Assam.
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> I would say this, though: Those who are serious about Assam's and India's
> welfare in this aspect should be outraged of such a massive influx.
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> So, IMHO this is just the ordinary, run-of-mill mass illegal immigation.
> It is NOT Anti-Muslim or Anti Bengali, or anti-Sylhet or anti-Badarpur or
> whatever. B'desh is a poor country, and they see opportunities in Assam and
> other parts of India and they cross the border.
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> And the Govt. of B'desh has absolutely no backbone to take its own
> citizens back.
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> >then what is the position of those who are in charge of protecting >the
> borders and law-enforcement, detecting and deporting the* >illegals*? What
> have successive governments spanning at least >three decades have done in
> this matter of upholding the* LAW* of >the land?
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> Obviously, this is a National problem. But it certainly does not help
> where we have state officials declaring that even the measly 38 they snared
> as illegals - oh well really not illegals..
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> While the responsibility does rest with the GOI, the state of Assam
> (successive governments) have not really cared for the issue. If they did,
> how is that other NE states don't face such a serious problem as Assam?
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> >*** I am sure it is. That is because you all know and a number of >fine
> netters have already branded me an anti-Indian and India-hater.
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> But how would such accusations and labels FORCE you to dilute such a
> serious problem?. Would have thought, that wouldn't have happened :)
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> >how much more anti-Indian or India hater I am compared to those >who
> rule India and are in charge of border protection and law->enforcement?
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> This is another interesting twist. Lets break this down:
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> Assam politicians: Want B'deshi Votes generally. Those who are not able to
> garnish the votes, are all suddenly agog about the border control. They just
> want to get elected.
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> But, bad as they are - they don't hate Assam or India
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> GOI/Central Politicians: GOI may want a Congress or whatever govt at the
> state level. They too cosy up to illegals.
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> Or they are totally unaware of the problem or possible don't don't where
> Assam is.
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> They don't hate Assam or India.
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> People in Assam: Generally most are worried about the illegal
> problem(irrespective of their religious affiliations). But they too are not
> too strong in making their feelings known.
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> They too don't hate India.
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> ULFA: Though it is not its responsibility, the fact that the leaders are
> holed up in B'desh, and the fact that as "protectors" of Assam they really
> havent made any strong statements against illegal Bangladeshi immigrants.
> How do they convince the Assamese that B'deshis will not over-run Assam
> completely once they attain the ellusive independence?
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> We all know, they hate India.
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> People in other States of India:
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> Many unaware of Assam. And if have heard of Assam, it is because of ULFA.
> Many of those too have been trained to see such problems as a Hindu-Muslim
> one. They will hear that loud and clear (if put in that context).
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> But they don't hate Assam or India either.
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> So, C'da, your statement:
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> >how much more anti-Indian or India hater I am compared to those >who
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> is not really correct. You can't equate the lack of interest or even
> irresponsibility to hating or adoring Assam. Just because people who rule
> India or those in charge may have a responsibility, and that they mau not
> perform it well, does not mean they hate Assam.
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> Well - there, I have tried my best.
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> *** I am not surprised Ram. But welcome to the fray .
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> >It is the "legal" status they bear: Are they Indian citizens or
> Bangladeshis enroaching into Assam?
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> >All Indians ought to oppose the influx of* ILLEGAL* hordes of B'deshis.
> The word Illegal means that they >are NOT Indians.
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> *** OK, fair enough. But if that is what the reason is, then what is the
> position of those who are in charge of protecting the borders and
> law-enforcement, detecting and deporting the* illegals*? What have
> successive governments spanning at least three decades have done in this
> matter of upholding the* LAW* of the land? Or for that matter what do they
> say is their official position is on the matter? And I am asking not about
> just the Assamese outraged, but all Indians too; those who you opine*OUGHT
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> Let us hear answers about that, and we shall proceed to the next level of
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> >Their religion, the 'lungi-menace' etc are just your way of diluting a
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> *** I am sure it is. That is because you all know and a number of fine
> netters have already branded me an anti-Indian and India-hater. Question is
> how much more anti-Indian or India hater I am compared to those who rule
> India and are in charge of border protection and law-enforcement? Hope you
> will compare that and delineate for netters how I am doing compared to
> the real Indian patriots, elected by informed and issue-wise Indians , time
> and again, by popular votes, in the fine traditions of desi-demokrasy; who
> are running Assam and India ?
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> PS: Chitta does not have to write to me separately seeking assistance. You
> have opened the gates already. He can add to this as he sees fit :) .
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> of Assam's Hindus or most or just a handful of them?* And >is it because
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> It is the "legal" status they bear: Are they Indian citizens or
> Bangladeshis enroaching into Assam?
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> All Indians ought to oppose the influx of* ILLEGAL* hordes of B'deshis.
> The word Illegal means that they are NOT Indians. Their religion, the
> 'lungi-menace' etc are just your way of diluting a very serious problem in
> Assam.
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> BTW: You will find many Assamese Muslims who are equally disturbed by the
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> It is politically advantageous for certan groups in Assam to drive a wedge
> along religious lines on this issue, but the main issue still remains:
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> The truth is that Assam is under siege, and a not so silent invasion from
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> On 8/12/07,* Chan Mahanta* <cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:
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> > Why do you always want to equate the BDeshi issue with the Muslim
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> *** I did not even touch the M word. Give me a break, will ya :-) ?
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> >I wonder whether you have a hidden agenda here in trying to make all
> Assamese Hindus suffer >from >collective guilt complex by dubbing their anti
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> *** Seriously though, you have explained it right here in the above
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> Are only 'Assamese Hindus' burdened by illegal immigrants ? Is Assam the
> home of B'deshi despising Hindus only?* And if they are the only ones
> outraged or aggrieved*,* then is it ALL of Assam's Hindus or most or just
> a handful of them?* And is it because of :
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> The color of their skin?
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> Their cuisine?
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> The language they speak?
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> The lungis they wear and the skull-caps they flaunt?
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> The unkind cuts the male of their species live with?
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> The high wage jobs they deprive the natives of?
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> The economy they depress by their dependence on public charity?
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> The criminal activities they spread in society?
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> The corruption they promote by bribery of public officials?
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> The economic progress they thwart by their habitual sloth?
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> Inundate the free public health-care system?
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> Flood the public school system with children of the non-producing,
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> Usurp and rob the Oxomiya bhaxa of its purity and ownership?
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> Other ills I have not mentioned, deliberately or otherwise?
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> If you are still in the dark, let me know. I will be pleased to explain
> more explicitly. But there are risks associated with seeking that extra bit
> of assistance. I am sure you know what those might be :-).
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> At 8:16 PM -0700 8/11/07, chittaranjan pathak wrote:
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> ""Anyone ( of the male species) looking like B'deshis must have to
> prove their non-B'deshi status by
> displaying accepted physical evidence to law-enforcement officials""
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> Mahanta da
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> Why do you always want to equate the BDeshi issue with the Muslim one? I
> wonder whether you have a hidden agenda here in trying to make all Assamese
> Hindus suffer from collective guilt complex by dubbing their anti BDesh
> stance as an anti muslim one.
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> As far as I know-those who like the Assamese language will not like
> "Dhonyo Noro Tonu Bhaal" less than "Pita putra" just because former is
> penned by Abdul Mallick and later by Homen Borgohain.
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> For Assamese-lingustic and ethnic identities are more binding than
> religion.
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> BJP has some 10 seats in 126 Assam assembly. And bulk of the winners are
> from Barak valley. So what does it prove? Your attempt to paint BDeshi
> hating Assamese Hindus as Assamese religious bigot surely is not working.
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