[Assam] mainland vs northeast in delhi

Sat Jul 14 16:32:32 PDT 2007

The gory pogrom carried out by the outlawed outfit called ULFA on the
Hindi-speaking people is different from the cases of sexual assault
inflicted upon the girls of NE India by the criminal minds of Delhi in one
aspect----the former's mayhem is tied to a political agenda.However,in both
cases,the victims happen to be the soft targets.
KJD

On 7/14/07, SANDIP DUTTA <pseude at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> These kind of discussions are not going to help one single NE person who
> may or may not face the kind of discrimination we talk about. This is a
> practical situation on the ground. As we cannot change the fact that
> Haryanvis dominate the Delhi police and have little or no knowledge about
> NE, we have to be a bit more judicious for the time being instead of
> thinking like we were in the middle of Kohima.
>
> Assam.org <http://assam.org/> cannot change the way Haryanvis think about
> NE, atleast for the time being.
>
> BTW, Isnt the Ulfa targetting Hindi speakers for similar racist reasons -
> and blowing them with bombs?
>
> Rgds,
> Sandip
>
>
> *Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net>* wrote:
>
>
>
> I don't see anything wrong in discussing the issue. In fact it should be
> discussed.
>
>
> But I agree with most of the points made here. Very well said!
>
>
>
>
> >. If it is true, then a Gujarati considers a Bihari mainstream and a
> Bihari considers a Tamil mainstream; >but they all consider us as not of the
> mainstream.
>
>
>
>
> *** And what that means is that we are different. It is a fact. We ought
> to be secure about it, and not seek to be like them :-).
>
>
>
>
>
> >If this basis is correct, why should we beg to be included in that
> mainstream? In that case, we are distinct from them as a class, because, we
> have a different/ vibrant/ rich identity, if not politically, then
> definitely culturally. And we are, and should be, proud of that.
>
>
>
>
> *** Exactly!
>
>
>
>
>
> >The only thing that remains is 'discrimnation' by Delhi authorities
> towards our boys and girls studying there. When the entire country pride
> itself in baring itself to the western influence, why our guys should be
> singled out for special treatment on the plea that certain rape or other
> untoward things happened to a few of them. Such things happen to lots of
> Delhi students, western or domestic tourists.
>
>
>
>
> *** There is a major MYTH here, however. The so-called 'westernization' of
> Indians cannot be further from the truth. Even a very large percentage of
> the so-called NRIs living in the west  are NOT  really westernized and live
> sheltered lives, divorced from the life of the communities where they do,
> hopelessly attempting to hold on to what they consider "Indian"--which,
> incidentally, varies widely from one group to the other, while each ethnic
> group remain largely divorced from others from the same 'India' they came
> from .   The parochialism is brutal.  Perhaps worse than what it might be in
> some more pluralistic of Indian metropolitan environments.
>
>
> Westernization in India is, at best, a mindless copy of the most
> superficial of traits of what is considered 'western', usually as created by
> Bollywood or as registered from fleeting images on the internet today.
>
>
>
>
> >The only thing that remains is 'discrimnation' by Delhi authorities
> towards our boys and girls studying >there.
>
>
>
>
> *** It really is a manifestation of the attitude that pervades the general
> Indian outlook: That numbers rule. My way or the highway.  While it argued
> that it is an universal human trait, the difference lies in  to recognize
> the rights of the numerical minorities, protecting them with FUNCTIONING
> institutions of state: Constitutional safeguards backed up with law
> enforcement, and effective conflict resolution mechanisms, like courts of
> law.
>
>
>
> >The entire question thus boils down to one point: whether Delhi
> authorities should presecribe dress >code or should gear themselves up to
> provide safeguard to the people---dressed, undressed or >scantily dressed,
> without discrimination?
>
>
> *** Exactly!
>
>
> >I believe, we should tell them to mind their business and not waste our
> own time and energy on this >issue.
>
>
> *** Here I differ. Unless it is discussed, people will remain uneducated
> about its, and so will  its ramifications.  Indian intelligentsia's absence
> from dealing with these issues is the reason they remain operative.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> At 1:21 PM +0100 7/14/07, uttam borthakur wrote:
>
> Is there any point in pursuing this discussion?
>
>
>
> There is an assumption here that INDIANS, other than NORTH EASTERNERS,
> consider other Indians mainstream, but do not have the same attitude towards
> the North Easterners. If it is true, then a Gujarati considers a Bihari
> mainstream and a Bihari considers a Tamil mainstream; but they all consider
> us as not of the mainstream.
>
>
>
> Why is that so?
>
>
>
> If this basis is correct, why should we beg to be included in that
> mainstream? In that case, we are distinct from them as a class, because, we
> have a different/ vibrant/ rich identity, if not politically, then
> definitely culturally. And we are, and should be, proud of that.
>
>
>
> In so far as 'assimilation' is concerned, it cannot be done conciously or
> forcefully. A Marwari in Assam now a days can earn his living without having
> to learn Assamese like their forefathers did. Now a days, even many Assamese
> do without their language and some of them feel proud about that!
>
>
>
> The only thing that remains is 'discrimnation' by Delhi authorities
> towards our boys and girls studying there. When the entire country pride
> itself in baring itself to the western influence, why our guys should be
> singled out for special treatment on the plea that certain rape or other
> untoward things happened to a few of them. Such things happen to lots of
> Delhi students, western or domestic tourists.
>
>
>
> The entire question thus boils down to one point: whether Delhi
> authorities should presecribe dress code or should gear themselves up to
> provide safeguard to the people---dressed, undressed or scantily dressed,
> without discrimination?
>
>
>
> I believe, we should tell them to mind their business and not waste our
> own time and energy on this issue.
>
>
>
> *Malabika Brahma <malabikabrahma at yahoo.co.uk>* wrote:
>
> What do you think is a better choice :
>
> 1.  Ask the NE people to be more "mainstream like" in their food or dress
> habits. May be even suggest they undergo  plastic surgery to look more
> "mainstream" like .
>
> 2. Educate the "mainstream" Indians that India is a diverse country and
> not all look like Harayanvi and "honorable practises" like dowry and female
> infanticide.
>
>
> Looks like Delhi  police will choose option 1.
>
>
> *Priyankoo <priyankoos at yahoo.co.in>* wrote:
>
> and why  people from the NE region MUST assimilate to the mainstream
> culture? In case of Assam haven't we seen more than 90% of the non-Assamese
> population never trying to "assimilate" with the local culture?
>
> If there is a failure on part of the NE population in "assimilating" to
> the mainstream culture, may be the reason is the same as why the non-
> Assamese population in Assam never "assimilated" to the local culture/s.
>
> best
> Priyankoo
>
> *Priyankoo <priyankoos at yahoo.co.in>* wrote:
>
> "Assimilation" is not the aim of the booklet. It just forces some dos and
> don'ts to people from a particular region.
>
> In any case, a booklet is never helpful for any kind of "assimilation".
>
> best
> Priyankoo
>
> *SANDIP DUTTA <pseude at yahoo.com>* wrote:
>
> There is no problem with "assimilation" for students or citizens from
> Assam. This advisory should be better worded and directed at our bros from
> Nagaland, Mizoram and Manipur who stay apart not just in Delhi but in other
> parts of India too.
>
>
>
> Rgds,
>
> Sandip
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Malabika Brahma <malabikabrahma at yahoo.co.uk>
> To: xourov pathok <xourov at yahoo.com>; assam at assamnet.org
> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 7:33:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [Assam] mainland vs northeast in delhi
>
> I wonder if similar "circular" was issued to Indians in the US ( regarding
> the spices we use), how would the Indians react ?
>
>
>
> *xourov pathok <xourov at yahoo.com>* wrote:
>
> having been in delhi for sometime as a student, i see
> it is getting worse.
>
> x
>
> http://www.telegraphindia.com/1070712/asp/frontpage/story_8048182.asp
>
> Right intentions, wrong message
> - Delhi police accused of dividing India into
> 'mainland' & 'Northeast'
> NISHIT DHOLABHAI
>
> New Delhi, July 11: Delhi police's advisory to youths
> from the Northeast studying in the capital is being
> seen by most as segregating the region from the
> so-called mainland.
>
> The minister for development of the northeastern
> region (DoNER), Mani Shankar Aiyar, had only recently
> discouraged the use of this syntax. "There is no
> mainland, you are the mainland," he had told a
> reporter in Shillong.
>
> Aiyar was unavailable for comment on the booklet
> released by Delhi police, but those who responded
> seemed to cringe at the thought of someone advising
> students from the region to change their food habits,
> customs and manner of dressing to assimilate into the
> "mainstream".
>
> Dipankar Gupta, professor of sociology at Jawaharlal
> Nehru University, said the police's advice not to
> create a "ruckus in the neighbourhood" by cooking
> "smelly dishes" and dress decently was gratuitous, to
>
> say the least.
>
> "The police come up with these advisories, but there
> is no implementation. There should be a departmental
> memo of some sort that if a person from the Northeast
> is harmed, punishment will be stringent," Gupta said.
>
> Moses Kharbithi, who is doing his MPhil at JNU, said
> the advisory was tantamount to undermining the ability
> of Northeast students in New Delhi to assimilate. "I
> wonder if they have given such booklets to students
> from the South," he said.
>
> Kharbithi said the fact that the booklet was
> well-intentioned could not mask the sense of
> discrimination.
>
> Asom Gana Parishad MP Arun Kumar Sarma and his
> Congress colleague Kirip Chaliha said there was no
> denying the need to spruce up security for students
> from the region in view of some incidents in the
> recent past. But commenting on food habits and
> clothing was unfair, the duo said.
>
> "How can one tell somebody what to eat and how to
> dress?" Sarma asked.
>
> Chaliha said he would take up the issue with the authorities.
>
>
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