[Assam] How ancient is Szuma Chien: Fascism angle

uttam borthakur uttamborthakur at yahoo.co.in
Fri Jul 27 08:14:59 PDT 2007


>>All men must die, but death can vary in its significance. The ancient Chinese writer Szuma Chien said, "Though death befalls all men alike, it may be heavier than Mount Tai or lighter than a feather." To die for the people is heavier than Mount Tai, but to work for the fascists and die for the exploiters and oppressors is lighter than a feather.    
  
   
  So it is clear now. Mao quoted Szuma Chien:"Though death befalls all men alike, it may be heavier than Mount Tai or lighter than a feather." The later part belongs to Mao i.e.
To die for the people is heavier than Mount Tai, but to work for the fascists and die for the exploiters and oppressors is lighter than a feather.
   
  Either the writer for the Ulfa made a faux pas here in his impatience to drive a point home or may be he thought Mao has no takers in the present world! 
  
"W.Saleh" <w.saleh at indiawijzer.nl> wrote:
        v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}  o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}  w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}  .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);}        st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }                I don’t know the exact words used by Szuma Chien but Mao red book in page 174 mentions the following:
  
quote:
  page 174
   
  worthy death. Nevertheless, we should do our best to avoid unnecessary sacrifices.
            
  "Serve the People" (September 8, 1944),
  Selected Works, Vol. III, p. 228.
   
  All men must die, but death can vary in its significance. The ancient Chinese writer Szuma Chien said, "Though death befalls all men alike, it may be heavier than Mount Tai or lighter than a feather." To die for the people is heavier than Mount Tai, but to work for the fascists and die for the exploiters and oppressors is lighter than a feather.    
  Unquote:
     http://www.marx2mao.com/Mao/QCM66.html 
   
   
  Wahid Saleh

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  Van: uttam borthakur [mailto:uttamborthakur at yahoo.co.in] 
Verzonden: vrijdag 27 juli 2007 13:06
Aan: w.saleh at indiawijzer.nl; assam
Onderwerp: RE: [Assam] How ancient is Szuma Chien: Fascism angle

   
    >>Szuma Chien, the famous Chinese historian of the 2nd century B.C., was the author of the Historical Records. –

     

    Thank you. 

    This implies that when Szuma Chien uttered those words attributed to him by Ulfa, fascism was 2000 years away! I suppose, I read that quote some where, but the words were a bit different. Where did the Ulfa find these new words?

"W.Saleh" <w.saleh at indiawijzer.nl> wrote:

      Szuma Chien, the famous Chinese historian of the 2nd century B.C., was the author of the Historical Records. –

    Reference of him you can also find in the Selected Works of Mao – published in 1944.

    http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/volume-3/mswv3_19.htm 

     

    See also the following links

     

    http://www.answers.com/topic/ssu-ma-ch-ien

    http://www.amazon.com/Selections-Records-Historian-Szuma-Chien/dp/0898759404

    http://www.chinahistoryforum.com/lofiversion/index.php/t523.html

     

     

      Greetings,

     

    Wahid Saleh


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    Van: assam-bounces at assamnet.org [mailto:assam-bounces at assamnet.org] Namens uttam borthakur
Verzonden: vrijdag 27 juli 2007 10:55
Aan: assam
Onderwerp: [Assam] How ancient is Szuma Chien: Fascism angle


     

      Dear Friends


       


      I have a question.


       


       How ancient is Szuma Chien who has been quoted by the Ulfa communique? Fascism is not very ancient, so far as I know. But the person whose saying has been quoted is stated to be ancient and that person refers to fascists that quotation.


       


      Since it is an organisation with an ideology, I believe facts should be properly stated. Else it would amount to prevarications like that of Hitler - Goebbles combine whom the Ulfa hates, as evident from that communique.


       


      I hope that this question will be tolerated, though we have seen that in Centralist organisations like the Chinese Communist Party and erstwhile eastern bloc countries not a murmur of dissent was tolerated. Being basically a military organisation Ulfa to my understanding would be more centralist than democratic.  


       


      I request anyone who is in the know of the things.


     

  Uttam Kumar Borthakur
      

  
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