[Assam] Math First: Harvard & UVa study on college science success

[mc mahant]

May I chip in?
<generally recognized that Indian graduating from Indian schools are good in math/science>  Wrong Notions.
<because they just are>  maybe in the eyes of SOME Innocents<then obviously these graduates are Not creative etc.>There goes Ram and his Political Science Deductions!
<but may NOT be willing > Actually the Desi-Demokrasy +Hero Worshiping Cult***numbs all creativity and demands thereto.      ***e.g.<world leaders (Kennedy/Gandhi/Nehru +GWB+Laloo?>
<India have suddenly become creative here>  or have they become good/faithful  code conforming detailers?
<Nehru CONCEIVED IIT's?>  We were told  in'53 that US embassy offered to equip -thro,UNESCO.."an MIT-like Tech Instt      with Faculty+Gear+Library from US--".And 6years later USSR added Powai-the WGermans>Guindy....>>>>......
<so easily rubbish today> .Nobody Rubbishes--Only Pities all the Knowledge-pickup totally wasted--Not IIT faculties' fault!!
<If it wasn't for JFK...> "Before the end of this Decade..To put Americans on the Moon----and  to bring them back safely to Earth.".I did listen  this live from VOA in  '62 . He only parroted NASA.
 
< A country needs visionaries> Ram-you hit the Bull's eye  this time.You can be a visionary only through Maths/Science/Technology  Or through Lenin/Mao/Ho-Chi-Minh/Pol-Pot/Gorbachev/Castro- like thinkers .
Failures are the pillars of Success. Somebody in the Regime ought to demand a fresh BE from JEC to design Bogibeel Bridge  A to Z and build it to Work.You should Scrap all past designs/Norms. You should have Competition Designs for minimizing Men,Materials,Times,costs. 
India has not  designed/built a racing/Tour-de-France bicycle yet.NK has flown ICBM's. They produce 4% of India's Engineers
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Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 09:16:50 -0600From: assamrs at gmail.comTo: cmahanta at charter.netCC: assam at assamnet.org; krish_gau at yahoo.comSubject: Re: [Assam] Math First: Harvard & UVa study on college science success

C'da
 
Being a non-engineer, and susori-musori pass kora individual, I may not be qualified to comment in this high-flying math/engg. debate - but nevertheless, I will try... you know, "fools rush in where angels...." 
 
One, is it is generally recognized that Indian graduating from Indian schools are good in math/science. Not because they boast about it, but because they just are. There are extremely bright people there.
Most of the people who have been a big success in this and other countries have had their "fundas" from India, and most Assamese from the Engg. colleges in Assam, and education in cotton or GU or DU.
 
Second, you charge that because you don't see contributions from these people in India, then obviously these graduates are Not creative etc.
 
It is possible that even though these Indians may be creative and intelligent, but may NOT be willing or are not able to contribute to
societies they came from. Maybe, they came to the USA to make more money (read better opportunities). 
While, I do not think there is anything wrong with that, let us realize that  there are many many people in India who are just as capabale or better than immigrants to the US and who have contributed to Indian's growth and development. 
 
Third, if these people were not creative in India, how is it that these very same people with the basic fundamentals from India have suddenly become creative here? Did they suddenly sprout wings?
 
Lastly, (and I may the loner here) - Math & science are great, but let us not put down other branches. There are many world leaders (Kennedy/Gandhi/Nehru etc) who have come from non-science, non-tech backgrounds, but have been instrumental in development and broad visions for their countrues. 
 
If it wasn't for Nehru, many today would NOT have gone to the IITs. Yes, those same IITs that have enabled many to build careers in the US and in India. Yes, those same IITs that have built the very foundations that they so easily rubbish today. 
 
If it wasn't for JFK, man may not have gone to the moon. A country needs visionaries, just like it needs bright people from every other branch.
 
More later 
--Ram
 
On 7/28/07, Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net> wrote: 
>By this logic, with so many successful IndianEngineers and Scientists in US and other countries the primary math foundation laid by Indian School systemmust be excellent.*** Can you cite some statistics, or even educated guesses on how "many successful IndianEngineers and Scientists in US and other countries" are there, and what percentage is that of :A: Total number of scientists and engineers produced by India?B: Total number of people of the demographics of which these are asegment and how the rest are doing ?C: HOW these "successful" products of an 'excellent' Indian educationsystem have contributed to India's well being?D: How the rest of the 'excellent' Indian education system have contributed to India's well being?At 6:36 AM -0700 7/28/07, Krishnendu Chakraborty wrote:>  >>Can you cite India's contributions to it?>>>Yes ---- Chandan Mahanta :) >>>>>>>   If your primary math>foundation is weak, you will never get to do intensive>math at high>school, forget science and engineering.>>By this logic, with so many successful Indian >Engineers and Scientists in US and other countries the>primary math foundation laid by Indian School system>must be excellent.>>>>>>____________________________________________________________________________________ >Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who>knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.>http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 >>_______________________________________________>assam mailing list>assam at assamnet.org> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org_______________________________________________assam mailing listassam at assamnet.orghttp://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
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