[Assam] From Assam Tribune/ Innovative Thinking?

Wed Sep 17 21:42:10 PDT 2008

>Would > that mean that what the guvnor proposes is A solution , if NOT THE > solution?
Desperate people do desperate things. So I would say, it could be A solution, C'da. As I said, anything that works. 

> Or IF someone criticizes a non-solution, but does not have a > SOLUTION of his own, mean that the non-solution should be considered > a solution? In other words, if I don't have a solution, the guvnor's > proposal stands as A solution?> 
Not because your criticism or for your not having a solution of your own (yours can be put forward too), but we do not know if that would work, but at the same time, to some it sounds like it might minimize the impact. So, why not have a go at it?

> solution for discussion and debate. Perhaps you ought to look at it > and criticize it or endorse it. Or offer something else that would > not be a straw against a broken water-main, like the good guvnor has > proposed. Is that fair?
I thought that's what I did, C'da. I endorsed it. 

Or offer something else that would > not be a straw against a broken water-main, like the good guvnor has > proposed. Is that fair?
Perfectly fair. And forgive me for not being able to convey that message to you all this time. :)

Also, here is the link from the email that Pradip Kr. Dutta sent today: 
http://newsonnortheast.blogspot.com/2008/09/flood-in-assam.html 

And I bet all the sufferers there would say: Please do something....anything, to stop this flood that harrass us every year. 

>>PS: WHY on earth would I be mad at you? 

I am glad you are not, C'da. It was just my (wrong) guess as you didn't acknowledge/reply to the mail that I sent.  

"When restraint and courtesy are added to strength the latter becomes irresistible."
“In order to make spiritual progress you must be patient like a tree and humble like a blade of grass.”

 > Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:51:12 -0500> To: assam at assamnet.org> From: cmahanta at charter.net> CC: waterwatch at yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [Assam] From Assam Tribune/ Innovative Thinking?> > Hi Alpana:> > Let us assume for a moment that *I* don't have any solution. Would > that mean that what the guvnor proposes is A solution , if NOT THE > solution?> > > Or IF someone criticizes a non-solution, but does not have a > SOLUTION of his own, mean that the non-solution should be considered > a solution? In other words, if I don't have a solution, the guvnor's > proposal stands as A solution?> > > Not that I am entirely out of it Alpana. I just presented a POSSIBLE > solution for discussion and debate. Perhaps you ought to look at it > and criticize it or endorse it. Or offer something else that would > not be a straw against a broken water-main, like the good guvnor has > proposed. Is that fair?> > > > > > > > > > > At 9:43 PM -0500 9/17/08, Alpana B. Sarangapani wrote:> >What is your suggestion then? What would work, C'da? Let's hear it.> >> >Also, to some, is it like - Paani Nidiu, laagile xei paaniye aamaar > >logote aamaar ghor-xompoti -u dubaai niyok.> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >"When restraint and courtesy are added to strength the latter > >becomes irresistible."> >"In order to make spiritual progress you must be patient like a tree > >and humble like a blade of grass."> >> > > Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:08:29 -0500> To: assam at assamnet.org> > >From: cmahanta at charter.net> CC: waterwatch at yahoogroups.com> Subject: > >Re: [Assam] From Assam Tribune/ Innovative Thinking?> > I hear you > >Alpana.> > The point here is WHAT WORKS?> > Allow me to give you an > >example. Imagine your water supply main has > broken. And you take a > >soft-drink straw and try to suck it out. It > WOULD reduce the > >deluge. But would it make a DIFFERENCE?> > > Hope it helps.> > > >c-da> > > PS: WHY on earth would I be mad at you? So glad to hear > >that you were > not seriously affected by Ike.> > > > > > > > > > > > >At 6:47 PM -0500 9/17/08, Alpana B. Sarangapani wrote:> >Good to > >hear from you too, C'da. I thought you were so mad at us > >that you > >had stopped talking to us :).> >> >> How would you like to see China > >damming up the Tsangpo to block > >>that > part of the water from > >coming down the Brahmaputra for > >>example? That > would be a whole > >lot more reduction of water than a > >>1 meter diameter > or even 2, > >pipe carrying water from the > >>Brahmaputra, would'nt it?> >Again, > >as long as that takes away the extra water. And as long as > >it > >does not back-fire....if for some reason the dam breaks, or > >it > >shoudl not overflow and affect the people again by creating > >another > >flood season in the winter or whenever that > >breaks.> >> >Did you hear how desperate the tone in "anything that > >works" could > >be from the farmers' point of view, C'da?> >> >For > >argument's sake, I would say this: after Ike left, we > >simply > >didn't have electricity (cooking gas and cell phones were > >still > >working), our home was not flooded, neither did our roads, > >the > >pantry was filled with canned food and also with our regular > >rice, > >daal, beans, potatoes, squash, etc., and what not. Still, > >we felt so > >helpless, so disconnected, and was so overwhelmed with > >depressing > >thoughts!> >> >We can only imagine how the ones that > >lost their main home (not the > >summer house or the farm house), > >what would they go through, and in > >Assam's case, by the time they > >put together things (or not) in their > >homes after a year's hard > >work, it's time to loose it all over again.> >> >So I would think > >that they will look forward to 'anything' that > >works to stop > >that. I know it's simplistic thoughts from a > >simplistic mind (no, > >I am not upset that you repeatedly say that > >whenever I bring up > >or talk about a simple solution to the hardest > >problem that > >nobody has bothered to even try solving it by > >experimenting any > >other meant too!), but who knows that could be it! > >And if not > >this, something needs to be done, but what? Do we have > >something > >better in the pipeline? Or, is it something that everybody > >(but > >the villagers that really live with the problem) talks > >about > >during the summer time and forgets by the > >winter?> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >"When restraint and courtesy are > >added to strength the latter > >becomes irresistible."-Mahatma > >Gandhi, 1931> >"In order to make spiritual progress you must be > >patient like a tree > >and humble like a blade of grass."> >> > > > >Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 13:32:28 -0500> To: > >assam at assamnet.org> > >From: cmahanta at charter.net> CC: > >waterwatch at yahoogroups.com> Subject: > >Re: [Assam] From Assam > >Tribune/ Innovative Thinking?> > Good to hear > >from you Alpana!> > > >Yes, you are right about "-- get the flood water > >out of Assam > > >during the rainy season". But the qualifier > >'ANYTHING' is where > >the > problem lies. Look at the "ANYTHING" like > >solutions that > >Bihar got > and see what it is doping for its > >people!> > So, > >ANYTHING is not necessarily better than NOTHING. > >Such > >simplistic > analogies have been at the root of India's many > >manmade > >miseries. " > Sob kuch solta hai" is not good policy as > >you would > >realize instantly > if only you ponder that for a > >moment.> > How > >would you like to see China damming up the Tsangpo > >to block that > > >part of the water from coming down the > >Brahmaputra for example? > >That > would be a whole lot more > >reduction of water than a 1 meter > >diameter > or even 2, pipe > >carrying water from the Brahmaputra, > >would'nt it?> > Only an > >utterly ignorant person would assert that > >piping water out > from > >the Brahmaputra would or could alleviate > >flooding in Assam. > And > >I am stunned by the journalistic acumen of > >a newspaper that > > >lauds it as "innovative thinking".> > While I > >realize that the > >good guvnor is a lay person , and old > political > >animal out in > >the pasture and as such could not be expected > to > >have much > >knowledge about the world of water, one would have hoped > > >he has > >or has access to advisers who can at least coach him on > >what > to > >say ( and what not to), if not explain successfully. But > >I > >guess > that is not something that one can expect from > >Indian > >governance, > even today.> > Finally, I am sure you will > >agree that > >to remain smug in a world of > know-nothing-ism, isn't > >much of a > >virtue, wouldn't you :-)?> > > > > > > > > At 12:48 PM > >-0500 > >9/17/08, Alpana B. Sarangapani wrote:> >Anything that works > >to get > >the flood water out of Assam during the > >rainy season so > >that the > >villagers don't suffer year after > >year > >after > >year.> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >"When restraint and > >courtesy are > >added to strength the latter > >becomes > >irresistible."> >"In order > >to make spiritual progress you must be > >patient like a tree > >and > >humble like a blade of grass."> >> > > > >Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 > >09:30:39 -0500> To: > >assam at assamnet.org> > >From: > >cmahanta at charter.net> CC: > >WaterWatch at yahoogroups.com> > >Subject: > >[Assam] From Assam > >Tribune/ Innovative Thinking?> > What > >do netters > >think? Is it > >innovative thinking as the Assam > > >Tribune > >characterizes it? > >Will it "---reduce the flood level in > >the > main > >river > >sufficiently" ? Does it sound like a comment > >from even > >a > > >remotely informed person or yet another fool's > >rants? Or > >could > >AT's > comment reflect utter clueless-ness > >and > >demonstration of > >abject > brown-nosing?> > Express > >yourselves > >folks! Silence is not > >golden. Silence of the able > > >is an > >abdication of citizenship > >responsibilities and leads to > >the > > >blunders upon blunders that our > >people have endured > >for > >generations.> > cm> > > > > > > > > Governor > >Mathur for > >diverting > >Brahmaputra water> > Spl correspondent> NEW > >DELHI, > >Sept 16 - In > >what could be described as innovative > > >thinking, > >Governor of > >Assam, Shiv Charan Mathur today mooted an > >idea > > >to create a mega > >national grid for diverting the water > >of > >mighty > Brahmaputra > >River through pipeline to water > >deficient > >States. The > > >Governor's proposal can be seen as an > >extension of > >the > >river-linking > project, was unveiled at the > >two-day > >Conference of > >Governors' hosted > by President, > >Pratibha > >Devisingh Patil, here > >today.> > The Governor, who > >spoke at length > >on the flood problem of > >Assam, has > reasoned > >that if crude oil > >could be brought from > >countries like Iran > > >and Afghanistan > >covering a distance of 5000 > >Km. Why can't > >water of > Brahmaputra > >River be profitably used by > >water > >deficient States like > Madhya > >Pradesh, > >Chhatisgarh, > >Jharkhand, Delhi and Rajasthan.> > A > >national > >grid for supply of > >water would be constructed at > > >appropriate > >location in the mighty > >Brahmaputra and the same could > >be > > >sent through pipeline to the > >water scarce States in > >the > >country, he > said.> > All through its > >course adequate > >number of > >boosting stations could be > put to reach > >the water > >to the > >States.> > This is going to reduce the flood level > >in > >the main > >river > sufficiently. "To have a permanent solution > >to > >the flood > >problem we > need to regulate the flow of water > >into the > >main > >river from its > tributaries like constructing > >reservoirs in > >the > >upper reaches," he > said.> > The river > >system of Assam has > >to > >develop in an integrated and > > >comprehensive way for utilising > >the > >vast water resources > >available.> > This is a mega national > >project, > >which could be > >planned and initiated > only by > >Government of India > >by making > >adequate financial provisions.> > A > >mechanism is > >therefore, > >required which would pay back the > > >investments made > >and > >survive on its own and also generate > >adequate > revenue, > >while > >giving additional benefits of > >introducing a > > >nationalist and > >socio-economic fabric of the > >region by > >generating > considerable > >jobs and various > >opportunities, in > >turn may solve the > prevailing > >unrest in North > >Eastern > >Region, he suggested.> > Calling for > >support, the > >Governor > >said the mega national project is > the need > >of the hour > >and > >should be undertaken by Government of India, > if > >need be > >by > >inviting foreign consultants in the field.> > > >Referring > >to > >another aspect of the economy, the Governor said > >there > > >were > >efforts underway to hold a seminar in December on > >the > > >hydrocarbon > >potential and the key aspects of exploring > >oil on a > >large > scale in > >Assam.> > Efforts are also underway > >to provide > >employment to the > >urban educated > youths by > >opening new > >industries, starting new > >universities and by > > >enhancing the > >intake capacity of > >existing > >institutions.> > > >_______________________________________________> > >assam > >mailing > >list> > >assam at assamnet.org> > >http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org> >_________________________________________________________________> >Stay > >up > >to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with > >Windows > >Live.> >http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/> >_______________________________________________> >assam > >mailing > >list> >assam at assamnet.org> >http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org> > > > >_______________________________________________> > >assam mailing > >list> > >assam at assamnet.org> > >http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org> >_________________________________________________________________> >See > >how Windows Mobile brings your life together-at home, work, or on > >the > >go.> >http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/> >_______________________________________________> >assam > >mailing > >list> >assam at assamnet.org> >http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org> > > > >_______________________________________________> assam mailing list> > >assam at assamnet.org> > >http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org> >_________________________________________________________________> >Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live.> >http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/> >_______________________________________________> >assam mailing list> >assam at assamnet.org> >http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org> > > _______________________________________________> assam mailing list> assam at assamnet.org> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
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