[Assam] About the Name Assam

Chan Mahanta cmahanta at charter.net
Thu Mar 12 07:07:32 PDT 2009


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>RE: [Assam] About the Name Assam
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>Wahid:
>Thanks. As I have shown in my article, the name 
>'Asam' or 'Asham' (for the name of the land) was 
>much older than  whcih came to be used for the 
>name of the land only in the 17th century. 
>Originally, the word  was used in the Kirton by 
>Sri Xongkordeu for the Ti Ahom people in the 
>15th century. According to me, this word  (for 
>the people) as used by Xongkordeu, was 
>originally derived from the word Asahm (for the 
>people written in Devanagari and Urdu skript) by 
>the Moghols. This word  later was used for the 
>land (instead of the people), and a new word 
>Ahom was used for the people. Thus Ahom is also 
>a new word, which is not to found in Ti Ahom 
>Buronjis. Please note that the word Asham was 
>originally used for the people and was later 
>changed to mean the land instead of the people 
>when the Moghols used the name in correspondence.
>Thanks
>Rajen
>
>On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 5:13 AM, Wahid Saleh(GM) 
><<mailto:wahid.saleh at gmail.com>wahid.saleh at gmail.com> 
>wrote:
>
>Rajen,
>
>Thanks for sharing your article " "In your 
>article you mentioned about Glanius.
>
>
>Till now almost all the historians thought that 
>Glanius went to Assam. But it was not Glanius 
>who went to Assam. It was a Dutch sailor named 
>Frans van der Heiden who had to fight with the 
>army of Mirju Mala. He kept a diary which was 
>first published in 1675. It is very difficult to 
>find out who Glanius was. He translated three 
>books from Dutch including the diary of Frans 
>van der Heiden. The English translation was 
>published in 1682 (from UK). In his translation 
>he used first person and nowhere mentioned or 
>referred to the name of the original author 
>Frans van de Heiden. As most of the historians 
>had access to the English translation only, they 
>took it for granted that Glanius went to Assam. 
>I tried to find out about Glanius and published 
>an article. Here you will get some back ground 
>information. A mistake did slip in to this 
>version of the article. I misspelt the name of 
>Dr. Surya Kumar Bhuyan as Dr. Surya Kanta Bhuyan.
>
>It is certain that the name Assam existed before 
>Mirju Mala invaded Assam and before the English 
>came to Assam. Otherwise Frans van der Heiden 
>would not be in a position to write about Assam 
>and Assmers. Different Mughal historians used 
>the names Assam, Asham, Ascham, Acham and Ásám 
>in their writings." Asom" with an "o" in between 
>was unknown to them. In particular, the word 
>Assam (Asham) is mentioned in the following 
>publications: Abul Fazal Allámi in his 
>compilation of Akbarnama, a biographical account 
>of Akbar (1542 -1605) mentioned "Rajah of Asham".
>
>The name Assam existed when Frans van der Heiden 
>wrote his diary in 1662. To write about the 
>place and its inhabitants he used the name of 
>the State as it was known at that time to the 
>local people. Otherwise he would not have used 
>the name.
>
>So we should start asking the question when was 
>the name of Assam changed to ? In any case it is 
>after 1662.
>
>Wahid
>
>
>Van: 
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>Namens Rajen Barua
>Verzonden: maandag 9 maart 2009 13:40
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>Onderwerp: [FriendsofAssamNE] RE: [Assam] About the Name Assam
>
>Friends
>Looks like many people still think that Assam is 
>an englished word of the word Oxom. In fact 
>pronounciation Asam (now a days written as 
>Assam) is much older than the Assamese word Oxom 
>which is of later origin. One may read my 
>article attached.
>Rajen Barua
>
>
>
>>  Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 21:10:59 -0600
>>  To: <mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org
>>  From: <mailto:cmahanta at charter.net>cmahanta at charter.net
>>  Subject: Re: [Assam] About the Name Assam
>>
>>  > whereas we know for sure the local people at that time as now
>>  >called the land "Oxom",
>>
>>
>>
>>  *** You do?
>>
>>  So much for the certitude of the omniscient!!
>>
>>  Did you know that the Ahom people, by and large, cannot pronounce the
>>  'xo' sound and pronounce it as 'ho' or 'kho'?
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>***************************************************************************************************************
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  At 2:02 PM -0700 3/8/09, Dilip and Dil Deka wrote:
>>  >".......an invention of an European, and thus not credible?" - I am
>>  >not suggesting that at all. I am not Europhobic. :-)
>>  >
>>  >Let's take the British days - the maps and the official records
>>  >meticulously prepared during that time called "Oxom" as "Assam"
>>  >whereas we know for sure the local people at that time as now called
>>  >the land "Oxom", the big difference being the sound of "x" versus
>>  >"s". What credibility would you give to the authenticity of the name
>>  >"Assam" used by the British?
>>  >In the same token, why would I accept "Asam" as written by a Dutch
>>  >in 17th century as an authentic name? The Dutch, just like the
>>  >British cannot pronounce "Oxom".
>>  >If you accept "Asam" as in Dutch map as the original name, when did
>>  >it change to today's "Oxom" and who changed it?
>>  >
>>  >I still say "Assam" is anglicized and "Asam" is Hollandized. Boy!
>>  >that sounds too much like Hollandaise sauce.
>>  >I am surprised there was no comment on the rest of my email.
>>  >Dilip
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >________________________________
>>  >From: Chan Mahanta <<mailto:cmahanta at charter.net>cmahanta at charter.net>
>>  >To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
>>  >world 
>><<mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org>; 
>><mailto:adhazarika at yahoo.com>adhazarika at yahoo.com
>>  >Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2009 4:25:08 PM
>>  >Subject: Re: [Assam] About the Name Assam
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >> But I wouldn't use these books nor a book written in another
>>  >>European language (Dutch) to prove that >Assam is an indigenous word.
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >*** Why? Are you suggested the Dutch traveller who prepared the map where
>>  >Assam is recorded as "Asam" was likely an invention of an European,
>>  >and thus not credible?
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >At 12:50 PM -0700 3/8/09, Dilip and Dil Deka wrote:
>>  >>Kamal,
>>  >>In today's parlance, you are absolutely correct. The local people
>  > >>call the land "Oxom" and, themselves "Oxomiya". When those words
>>  >>are written as "Assam" and "Assamese", it is an attempt to anglicize
>>  >>the locally used words.
>>  >>
>>  >>Now whether Oxom was derived from another word that was local to the
>>  >>area and non-Sanskrit in its origin is another issue.
>>  >>As we all know the region (at least the western part) was called
>>  >>Kamrupa in ancient literature. For the name Kamrupa to change to
>>  >>Oxom, it is almost impossible. There is no resemblance between the
>>  >>two words. So the natural assumption would be that the
>>  >>transformation to Oxom did not happen with the so called Hindu
>>  >>settlers of Assam from the west. It is more likely it happened with
>>  > >the domination of Assam by the Ahoms, who for the first time in a
>>  >>long time brought the people of the region under one rule through
>>  >>political acumen.
>>  >>
>>  >>I have in my possession books written/compiled by British officers
>>  >>where the word Assam is used. But I wouldn't use these books nor a
>>  >>book written in another European language (Dutch) to prove that
>>  >>Assam is an indigenous word. There needs to be more research done by
>>  >>Xahitya Xobha, digging into the Buranjis of the Ahoms and whatever
>>  >>remains of the Ahom language.
>>  >>
>>  >>I am told by my Ahom friends that many Buranjis were burnt during
>>  >>the waning years of Ahom rule. I am also told many Buranjis are
>>  >>still available in the Ahom villages kept as family heirloom. Does
>>  >>anyone know how to read and decipher these tomes?
>>  >>Isn't there a scholar in all of Assam who could trace through the
>>  >>transformation of Ahom language from 1228 to the British days
>>  >>to see if the name Oxom was coined by the Ahoms to describe their kingdom?
>>  >>
>>  >>When I am on a roll, let me also ask how the Shans from Burma
>>  >>renamed themselves as Ahoms and when it happened.
>>  >>If all of this is known to some netter, please publish it, so that
>>  > >some of us not exposed to recent findings in Assam can learn and
>>  >>stop arguing over a name.
>>  >>
>>  >>Dilip Deka
>>  >>
>>  >>
>>  >>
>>  >>
>>  >>
>>  >>________________________________
>>  >>From: kamal deka <<mailto:kjit.deka at gmail.com>kjit.deka at gmail.com>
>>  >>To: 
>><mailto:adhazarika at yahoo.com>adhazarika at yahoo.com; 
>>A Mailing list for people interested in
>>  >>Assam from around the world 
>><<mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org>
>>  >>Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2009 10:23:39 AM
>>  >>Subject: Re: [Assam] About the Name Assam
>>  >>
>>  >>In my humble view,the very word " Assam" is an Anglicised one.As an
>>  >>adjective," Assamese " pertains to the characteristic of the people of
>>  >>Assam and their culture..As a noun,it means the native of Assam or the
>>  >>language of Assam.
>>  >>In view of the above fact.Assam Sahitya Sabha may not be in error.
>>  >>Kamal
>>  >>
>>  >>On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 9:47 PM, Ajoy 
>>Hazarika 
>><<mailto:adhazarika at yahoo.com>adhazarika at yahoo.com> 
>>wrote:
>>  >>
>>  >>> Dear Oxom Xahityo Xobha:
>>  >>>
>>  >>>
>>  >>> I agree with Chandan Mahanta. If you do not know anything about it,
>>  >>> an article written by H. Borgohain. I could not find the article,
>>  >>> otherwise I could have forwarded to you.
>>  >>>
>>  >>> Hi Chandan, Rajen, if you have that 
>>article please forward that to . Oxom
>>  >>> Xahityo Xobha
>>  >>> Oxom Xahityo Xobha. It will also help if Oxom Xahityo Xobha study
>>  >>> the Bodo language. There are other historical facts. Chandan and Rajen
>>  >>> can help.
>>  >>>
>>  >>> A. D. Hazarika
>>  >>>
>>  >>>
>>  >>>
>>  >>>
>>  >>> --- On Mon, 3/2/09, Chan Mahanta 
>><<mailto:cmahanta at charter.net>cmahanta at charter.net> 
>>wrote:
>>  >>> From: Chan Mahanta <<mailto:cmahanta at charter.net>cmahanta at charter.net>
>>  >>> Subject: [Assam] About the Name Assam
>>  >>> To: <mailto:info at axomxahityaxobha.org>info at axomxahityaxobha.org
>>  >>> Cc: <mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org
>>  >>> Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 9:05 PM
>>  >>>
>>  >>> Dear Oxom Xahityo Xobha:
>>  >>>
>>  >>>
>>  >>> >In 1917 the Asom Sahitya Sabha was formed as a
>>  >>> >guardian of the Assamese society and the forum for the
>>  >> > >development of Assamese language and literature.
>>  >>> >The word Assamese is an English one, built on the same
>  > >>> >principle as Cingalese, Canarese, etc. It is based on the
>>  >>> >English word Assam by which the tract consisting of the
>>  >>> >Brahmaputra valley is known.
>>  >>>
>>  >>>
>>  >>> *** It is pretty sad that you don't know the origins of the name
>>  >>> Assam, that you claim is an English name.
>>  >>>
>>  >>> It is such display of ignorance of our history and an absence of
>>  >>> intellectual curiosity to know what it truly is, that makes the likes
>>  >>> of Oxom Xahityo Xobha irrelevant to our cultural heritage
>>  >>>
>>  >>> Sondon Mohonto
>>  >>>
>>  >>> USA
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