[Assam] About the Name Assam

Umesh Tahbildar utahbild at hotmail.com
Sun Mar 15 03:58:20 PDT 2009 

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> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 22:05:18 -0500
> To: assam at assamnet.org
> From: cmahanta at charter.net
> Subject: Re: [Assam] About the Name Assam
> 
> >I HOPE,I AM NOT ASKING FOR THE MOON.
> 
> 
> *** Nothing wring in asking for the moon if to 
> hold and have the moon is something that turns 
> one on :-).
> 
> But we are talking of different animals here. 
> One being able to see and read a historical 
> document that shows the land we know as Oxom or 
> Assam, was called Asam/Asham/Assamer , way back 
> in the late seventeenth century; while the other 
> being something of an 'alaaxot saang pota kotha', 
> like asking for the moon. The two are very 
> different issues.
> 
> Haalodhi's efficacy as an anti-carcinogenic 
> agent may require a lot of research into the 
> chemistry of the material and actual human 
> testing. But no such testing is either required 
> or called for, to, say, determine that the Taj 
> Mahal was built on the order of Shah Jehan, or 
> that the land we come from and call Oxom used to 
> be called Asam/Asham/or Assam way back in the 
> late seventeenth century, even before the British 
> went there.
> 
> So the analogies presented were inapplicable.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> At 8:18 PM -0500 3/14/09, kamal deka wrote:
> >There is no dearth of historiographer in Assam or India ( I hope,I haven't
> >erred.This is my presumption).By historiography,I mean to indicate the
> >history of historical writing which involves the history and biography of
> >historians,the context in which they lived and wrote and not least,the
> >assumptions,theories and methods they used.
> >I HOPE,I AM NOT ASKING FOR THE MOON.
> >It reminds me of turmeric ( halodhi) a spice, we all are familiar with.It is
> >said that the turmeric prevents certain cancer.A tremendous amount of
> >research has been going on here in America to find out the authenticity of
> >its anti-tumour property before the final product is out in the open.Just an
> >example.
> >
> >On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:
> >
> >> IN WHAT WAY AM I WRONG IN SAYING THAT THOSE " DISCOVERIES"ARE SUBJECTED
> >>> TO >SCRUTINY BEFORE IT CAN BE ACCEPTED AS AN ESTABLISHED FACT?
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> *** Personally, I like to think I can look at a document and decide whether
> >> it is real or fake or exaggerated or doctored.
> >>
> >> The document produced by Wahid Saleh from the Dutch museum looks quite
> >> authentic. If authenticity of that document is what bothers me, I would say
> >> so. I might say that pending verification of authenticity of the document,
> >> I will hold my acceptance . But I won't say I won't accept it, because an
> >> amateur has found the document. That is the difference.
> >>
> >> *** That would lead us to the qualifications of the verifier/s. Who would
> >> qualify as someone whose certification we might accept? A president of the
> >> OXX? A GU professor? A Dutch scientist? Who?
> >> If we say that, surely that would be NOT nearly as unreasonable as
> >> proclaiming non-acceptance because of lack of professional credentials of
> >> those who found the historical document.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> At 2:08 PM -0500 3/14/09, kamal deka wrote:
> >>
> >>> Any run-of-the-mill citizen can assemble a few books and write an
> >>> article
> >>> but that cannot be taken as an infallible one.THIS IS THE REASON AS TO WHY
> >>> I
> >>> REFUSE TO ACCEPT THEIR INTERPRETATION AS A 
> >>>GOSPEL TRUTH.IN<http://truth.in/>WHAT WAY AM I
> >>> WRONG IN SAYING THAT THOSE " DISCOVERIES"ARE SUBJECTED TO SCRUTINY BEFORE
> >>> IT
> >>> CAN BE ACCEPTED AS AN ESTABLISHED FACT?
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 8:16 AM, Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> *** One is at liberty to accept or deny anything under the sun. It is a
> >>>> free-country as they say.
> >>>>
> >>>> But in a forum like ours, we expect some explanation as to WHY one would
> >>>> refuse to accept a documented proof like the name of
> >>>> Assam/Asam/Asham/Assamer etc. It should be quite immaterial who produces
> >>>> the
> >>>> proof, unless the persona of the messenger is the problem. The argument
> > >>> that those who produce the proof are amateurs is about the weakest of
> >>>> alibis
> >>>> one can imagine.
> >>>>
> > >>> To refuse to put forth a reason therefore could be interpreted as an
> >>>> absence of one.
> >>>>
> >>>> Makind's most enlightening discoveries were made not by recognized
> >>>> professionals. They were made by amateurs with a passion for knowledge
> >>>> and
> >>>> discovery.
> >>>>
> >>>> cm
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> At 9:58 PM -0500 3/13/09, kamal deka wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I remain unconvinced.
> >>>>> In the fitness of thing,the entire matter ought to be left for
> >>>>> those,who
> >>>>> are
> >>>>> in the business of reading,analyzing and interpreting the nitty-gritty
> >>>>> historical facts and data.
> >>>>> I refuse to accept the interpretation put forward by Saleh/Barua as an
> >>>>> unshakable truth.
> >>>>> As far as I am concerned,their explanation is of no consequence,pending
> >>>>> full
> >>>>> verification by the competent ones.
> >>>>> Meanwhile,those self-proclaimed neo-historians should stop the tamasha
> >>>>> of
> >>>>> re-writing and re-interpreting facts in regard to Assam's
> >>>>> history,who,perhaps,haven't studied the subject seriously save
> >>>>> high-school
> >>>>> history :-)
> >>>>> No further response will be undertaken on this topic from this end.
> >>>>> Thank you all.
> >>>>> Kamal
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 8:53 AM, Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> > From this the terms 'Asam' and 'Ahom' were
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> derived in due course, and the first term came to stand for the
> >>>>>>> expanded
> >>>>>>> Ahom klngdom.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> *** That is a believable conjecture. What is missing here is WHEN did
> >>>>>> that
> >>>>>> DUE COURSE happen?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Was it after the British came? If it did it will be reasonable to
> >>>>>> suspect
> >>>>>> and hold on to the notion that Assam or Asam were anglicized forms.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> But we know from written accounts , like the Dutch chronicler's
> >>>>>> accounts
> >>>>>> and pre-British Mughal history
> >>>>>> that Assam/Asam/Asham etc. were there long before the British arrived.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I don't know how much more conclusive proof one needs therefore for us
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> >>> to
> >>>
> >>>> accept the fact that the Assam was there before the British came ? But
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> >>> then
> >>>
> >>>> again one is at liberty to suspect the Theory of Evolution too! There
> >>>>>> will
> >>>>>> be plenty of company, even good ones :-).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> At 10:47 PM -0500 3/12/09, kamal deka wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I will continue to believe that the name Assam was Anglicised until
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> proven
> >>>>>>> otherwise--- beyond the shadow of a doubt,of course, by real
> >>>>>>> historians,who
> >>>>>>> spent decades studying Assam's history and not by neophyte historians
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> In various documents of British East India Company, in their
> >>>>>>> relationships
> >>>>>>> with the last few Ahom kings, the name of country was mentioned as
> >>>>>>> Assam.
> >>>>>>> After the fall of the Ahom kingdom and the conquest by the British in
> >>>>>>> 1826,
> >>>>>>> in the Treaty of Yandabo, "Assam" was used to denote the area under
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>> erstwhile Ahoms, and its protectorates .
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> *Theories on etymology*
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Though there exists a consensus on the fact that the name Assam is
> >>>>>>> associated with the Ahom kingdom, and the exact etymology of Assam is
> >>>>>>> not
> >>>>>>> clear.The ere are a number of theories that address this issue.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> *Ha-sam*
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> According to Amalendu Guha "The Ahom domain of Upper Assam came to be
> >>>>>>> known
> >>>>>>> to the Dimasa and other Bodo people as "Ha-Sam" (the land of the
> >>>>>>> Shams
> >>>>>>> or
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> >> Shans) in etheir language. From this the terms 'Asam' and 'Ahom'
> >>>>>> were
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> derived in due course, and the first term came to stand for the
> >>>>>> expanded
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Ahom klngdom. Under the impact of the Indo-Aryan heritage of the
> >>>>>>> region,
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>> concept of 'Asam' was further extended to cover the entire area
> > >>>>>> defined
> >>>>>>> as
> >>>>>>> 'Kamarupa' in the Kalika-Purana (c 9th-10th centuries). The Ahom
> > >>>>>> statesmen
> >>>>>>> and chroniclers wishfully looked forward to the Karatoya as their
> >>>>>>> natural
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> >> western frontier. They also looked upon themselves as the heirs of
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> that
> >>>>>
> >>>>> glory that was ancient Kamarupa by right of conquest, and they long
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> cherished infructuously their unfulfilled hopes of expanding up to
> >>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>> frontier." [*The Ahom Political System: An Enquiry into the State
> >>>>>>> Formation
> >>>>>>> Process in Medieval Assam (1228-1714), Amalendu Guha, Social
> >>>>>>> Scientist,
> >>>>>>> Vol.
> >>>>>>> 11, No. 12. (Dec., 1983), pp. 3-34.*]
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:50:23 -0500
> >>>>>>>>> Subject: [Assam Society] Re: [FriendsofAssamNE] RE: [Assam] About
> >>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> Name
> >>>>>>>>> Assam
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> >>>>>>>>> Reply-To: AssamSociety at yahoogroups.com
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Wahid:
> >>>>>>>>> Thanks. As I have shown in my article, the name 'Asam' or 'Asham'
> >>>>>>>>> (for
> >>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> name of the land) was much older than whcih came to be used for
> > >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> name of
> >>>>>>>>> the land only in the 17th century. Originally, the word was used
> > >>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> Kirton by Sri Xongkordeu for the Ti Ahom people in the 15th
> >>>>>>>>> century.
> >>>>>>>>> According to me, this word (for the people) as used by Xongkordeu,
> >>>>>>>>> was
> >>>>>>>>> originally derived from the word Asahm (for the people written in
> >>>>>>>>> Devanagari
> >>>>>>>>> and Urdu skript) by the Moghols. This word later was used for the
> >>>>>>>>> land
> >>>>>>>>> (instead of the people), and a new word Ahom was used for the
> >>>>>>>>> people.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> >>>> Thus
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>> Ahom is also a new word, which is not to found in Ti Ahom Buronjis.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Please
> >>>>>>>>> note that the word Asham was originally used for the people and was
> >>>>>>>>> later
> >>>>>>>>> changed to mean the land instead of the people when the Moghols
> >>>>>>>>> used
> >>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> name in correspondence.
> >>>>>>>>> Thanks
> >>>>>>>>> Rajen
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 5:13 AM, Wahid Saleh(GM) <<mailto:
> >>>>>>>>> wahid.saleh at gmail.com>wahid.saleh at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>> Rajen,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Thanks for sharing your article " "In your article you mentioned
> >>>>>>>>> about
> >>>>>>>>> Glanius.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Till now almost all the historians thought that Glanius went to
> >>>>>>>>> Assam.
> >>>>>>>>> But
> >>>>>>>>> it was not Glanius who went to Assam. It was a Dutch sailor named
> >>>>>>>>> Frans
> >>>>>>>>> van
> >>>>>>>>> der Heiden who had to fight with the army of Mirju Mala. He kept a
> >>>>>>>>> diary
> >>>>>>>>> which was first published in 1675. It is very difficult to find out
> >>>>>>>>> who
> >>>>>>>>> Glanius was. He translated three books from Dutch including the
> >>>>>>>>> diary
> >>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>> Frans van der Heiden. The English translation was published in 1682
> >>>>>>>>> (from
> >>>>>>>>> UK). In his translation he used first person and nowhere mentioned
> >>>>>>>>> or
> >>>>>>>>> referred to the name of the original author Frans van de Heiden. As
> >>>>>>>>> most of
> >>>>>>>>> the historians had access to the English translation only, they
> >>>>>>>>> took
> >>>>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>>> granted that Glanius went to Assam. I tried to find out about
> >>>>>>>>> Glanius
> >>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>> published an article. Here you will get some back ground
> >>>>>>>>> information.
> >>>>>>>>> A
> >>>>>>>>> mistake did slip in to this version of the article. I misspelt the
> >>>>>>>>> name
> >>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>> Dr. Surya Kumar Bhuyan as Dr. Surya Kanta Bhuyan.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> It is certain that the name Assam existed before Mirju Mala invaded
> >>>>>>>>> Assam
> >>>>>>>>> and before the English came to Assam. Otherwise Frans van der
> >>>>>>>>> Heiden
> >>>>>>>>> would
> >>>>>>>>> not be in a position to write about Assam and Assmers. Different
> >>>>>>>>> Mughal
> >>>>>>>>> historians used the names Assam, Asham, Ascham, Acham and Ásám in
> >>>>>>>>> their
> >>>>>>>>> writings." Asom" with an "o" in between was unknown to them. In
> >>>>>>>>> particular,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> the word Assam (Asham) is mentioned in the following
> >>> publications:
> >>>
> >>>> Abul
> >>>>>>>>> Fazal Allámi in his compilation of Akbarnama, a biographical
> >>>>>>>>> account
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> of
> >>>
> >>>> Akbar (1542 -1605) mentioned "Rajah of Asham".
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The name Assam existed when Frans van der Heiden wrote his diary in
> >>>>>>>>> 1662.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> >> To write about the place and its inhabitants he used the name
> >>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> the State
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> as it was known at that time to the local people. Otherwise he would
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> not
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> have used the name.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> So we should start asking the question when was the name of Assam
> >>>>>>>>> changed
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> >> to ? In any case it is after 1662.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Wahid
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Van: <mailto:FriendsofAssamNE at yahoogroups.com>
> >>>>>>>>> FriendsofAssamNE at yahoogroups.com [mailto:<mailto:
> >>>>>>>>> FriendsofAssamNE at yahoogroups.com>FriendsofAssamNE at yahoogroups.com]
> > >>>>>>>> Namens
> >>>>>>>>> Rajen Barua
> >>>>>>>>> Verzonden: maandag 9 maart 2009 13:40
> > >>>>>>>> Aan: assamnet
> >>>>>>>>> CC: <mailto:FriendsofAssamNE at yahoogroups.com>
> >>>>>>>>> FriendsofAssamNE at yahoogroups.com
> >>>>>>>>> Onderwerp: [FriendsofAssamNE] RE: [Assam] About the Name Assam
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Friends
> >>>>>>>>> Looks like many people still think that Assam is an englished word
> >>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> word Oxom. In fact pronounciation Asam (now a days written as
> >>>>>>>>> Assam)
> >>>>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>> much
> >>>>>>>>> older than the Assamese word Oxom which is of later origin. One may
> >>>>>>>>> read my
> >>>>>>>>> article attached.
> >>>>>>>>> Rajen Barua
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 21:10:59 -0600
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> To: <mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> From: <mailto:cmahanta at charter.net>cmahanta at charter.net
> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Assam] About the Name Assam
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> > whereas we know for sure the local people at that time as now
> >>>>>>>>>> >called the land "Oxom",
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> *** You do?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> So much for the certitude of the omniscient!!
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Did you know that the Ahom people, by and large, cannot pronounce
> >>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>> 'xo' sound and pronounce it as 'ho' or 'kho'?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>***************************************************************************************************************
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> At 2:02 PM -0700 3/8/09, Dilip and Dil Deka wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> >".......an invention of an European, and thus not credible?" - I
> >>>>>>>>>> am
> >>>>>>>>>> >not suggesting that at all. I am not Europhobic. :-)
> >>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>> >Let's take the British days - the maps and the official records
> >>>>>>>>>> >meticulously prepared during that time called "Oxom" as "Assam"
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >whereas we know for sure the local people at that time as
> >>>>>>>>> now
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> called
> >>>>>
> >>>>> >the land "Oxom", the big difference being the sound of "x" versus
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> >"s". What credibility would you give to the authenticity of the
> >>>>>>>>>> name
> >>>>>>>>>> >"Assam" used by the British?
> >>>>>>>>>> >In the same token, why would I accept "Asam" as written by a
> >>>>>>>>>> Dutch
> >>>>>>>>>> >in 17th century as an authentic name? The Dutch, just like the
> >>>>>>>>>> >British cannot pronounce "Oxom".
> >>>>>>>>>> >If you accept "Asam" as in Dutch map as the original name, when
> >>>>>>>>>> did
> >>>>>>>>>> >it change to today's "Oxom" and who changed it?
> >>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>> >I still say "Assam" is anglicized and "Asam" is Hollandized. Boy!
> >>>>>>>>>> >that sounds too much like Hollandaise sauce.
> >>>>>>>>>> >I am surprised there was no comment on the rest of my email.
> >>>>>>>>>> >Dilip
> >>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>> >________________________________
> >>>>>>>>>> >From: Chan Mahanta <<mailto:cmahanta at charter.net>
> >>>>>>>>>> cmahanta at charter.net>
> >>>>>>>>>> >To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
> >>>>>>>>>> >world <<mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org>; <mailto:
> >>>>>>>>>> adhazarika at yahoo.com>adhazarika at yahoo.com
> >>>>>>>>>> >Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2009 4:25:08 PM
> >>>>>>>>>> >Subject: Re: [Assam] About the Name Assam
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >
> >>>
> >>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>> >> But I wouldn't use these books nor a book written in another
> >>>>>>>>>> >>European language (Dutch) to prove that >Assam is an indigenous
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> word.
> >>>
> >>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>> >*** Why? Are you suggested the Dutch traveller who prepared the
> >>>>>>>>>> map
> >>>>>>>>>> where
> >>>>>>>>>> >Assam is recorded as "Asam" was likely an invention of an
> >>>>>>>>>> European,
> >>>>>>>>>> >and thus not credible?
> >>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>> >At 12:50 PM -0700 3/8/09, Dilip and Dil Deka wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>> >>Kamal,
> >>>>>>>>>> >>In today's parlance, you are absolutely correct. The local
> > >>>>>>>>> people
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> > >>call the land "Oxom" and, themselves "Oxomiya". When those
> >>>>>>>>>> words
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> >>are written as "Assam" and "Assamese", it is an attempt to
> >>>>>>>>> anglicize
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> >>the locally used words.
> >>>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>> >>Now whether Oxom was derived from another word that was local to
> >>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>> >>area and non-Sanskrit in its origin is another issue.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>As we all know the region (at least the western part) was
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> called
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> >>Kamrupa in ancient literature. For the name Kamrupa to change to
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> >>Oxom, it is almost impossible. There is no resemblance between the
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> >>two words. So the natural assumption would be that the
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>transformation to Oxom did not happen with the so called
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Hindu
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> >>settlers of Assam from the west. It is more likely it happened
> >>>>>>> with
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> > >the domination of Assam by the Ahoms, who for the first time in a
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> >>long time brought the people of the region under one rule
> >>>>>>>>>> through
> >>>>>>>>>> >>political acumen.
> >>>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>> >>I have in my possession books written/compiled by British
> >>>>>>>>>> officers
> >>>>>>>>>> >>where the word Assam is used. But I wouldn't use these books nor
> >>>>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>>> >>book written in another European language (Dutch) to prove that
> >>>>>>>>>> >>Assam is an indigenous word. There needs to be more research
> >>>>>>>>>> done
> >>>>>>>>>> by
> >>>>>>>>>> >>Xahitya Xobha, digging into the Buranjis of the Ahoms and
> >>>>>>>>>> whatever
> >>>>>>>>>> >>remains of the Ahom language.
> >>>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>> >>I am told by my Ahom friends that many Buranjis were burnt
> >>>>>>>>>> during
> >>>>>>>>>> >>the waning years of Ahom rule. I am also told many Buranjis are
> >>>>>>>>>> >>still available in the Ahom villages kept as family heirloom.
> >>>>>>>>>> Does
> >>>>>>>>>> >>anyone know how to read and decipher these tomes?
> >>>>>>>>>> >>Isn't there a scholar in all of Assam who could trace through
> >>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>> >>transformation of Ahom language from 1228 to the British days
> >>>>>>>>>> >>to see if the name Oxom was coined by the Ahoms to describe
> >>>>>>>>>> their
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> kingdom?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>> >>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> >>When I am on a roll, let me also ask how the Shans from Burma
> >>>>>>>>>> >>renamed themselves as Ahoms and when it happened.
> >>>>>>>>>> >>If all of this is known to some netter, please publish it, so
> >>>>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>>> > >some of us not exposed to recent findings in Assam can learn
> >>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>> >>stop arguing over a name.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>> >>Dilip Deka
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>> >>________________________________
> >>>>>>>>>> >>From: kamal deka <<mailto:kjit.deka at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>> kjit.deka at gmail.com
> >>>>>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>>>>> >>To: <mailto:adhazarika at yahoo.com>adhazarika at yahoo.com; A
> >>>>>>>>>> Mailing
> >>>>>>>>>> list
> >>>>>>>>>> for people interested in
> >>>>>>>>>> >>Assam from around the world <<mailto:assam at assamnet.org>
> >>>>>>>>>> assam at assamnet.org>
> >>>>>>>>>> >>Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2009 10:23:39 AM
> >>>>>>>>>> >>Subject: Re: [Assam] About the Name Assam
> >>>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>> >>In my humble view,the very word " Assam" is an Anglicised one.As
> >>>>>>>>>> an
> >>>>>>>>>> >>adjective," Assamese " pertains to the characteristic of the
> >>>>>>>>>> people
> >>>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>> >>Assam and their culture..As a noun,it means the native of Assam
> >>>>>>>>>> or
> >>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>> >>language of Assam.
> >>>>>>>>>> >>In view of the above fact.Assam Sahitya Sabha may not be in
> >>>>>>>>>> error.
> >>>>>>>>>> >>Kamal
> >>>>>>>>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>> >>On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 9:47 PM, Ajoy Hazarika <<mailto:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> adhazarika at yahoo.com>adhazarika at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>>>>>>>> >>> Dear Oxom Xahityo Xobha:
> >>>>>>>>>> >>>
> > >>>>>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>> I agree with Chandan Mahanta. If you do not know
> >>> anything about
> >>>
> >>>> it,
> >>>>>>>>>> >>> an article written by H. Borgohain. I could not find the
> >>>>>>>>>> article,
> >>>>>>>>>> >>> otherwise I could have forwarded to you.
> >>>>>>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>> >>> Hi Chandan, Rajen, if you have that article please forward
> >>>>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>> .
> >>>>>>>>>> Oxom
> >>>>>>>>>> >>> Xahityo Xobha
> >>>>>>>>>> >>> Oxom Xahityo Xobha. It will also help if Oxom Xahityo Xobha
> >>>>>>>>>> study
> >>>>>>>>>> >>> the Bodo language. There are other historical facts. Chandan
> >>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>> Rajen
> >>>>>>>>>> >>> can help.
> >>>>>>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>> >>> A. D. Hazarika
> >>>>>>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>> >>> --- On Mon, 3/2/09, Chan Mahanta <<mailto:
> >>>>>>>>>> cmahanta at charter.net>
> >>>>>>>>>> cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> >>> From: Chan Mahanta <<mailto:cmahanta at charter.net>
> >>>>>>>>>> cmahanta at charter.net>
> >>>>>>>>>> >>> Subject: [Assam] About the Name Assam
> >>>>>>>>>> >>> To: <mailto:info at axomxahityaxobha.org>
> >>>>>>>>>> info at axomxahityaxobha.org
> >>>>>>>>>> >>> Cc: <mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org
> >>>>>>>>>> >>> Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 9:05 PM
> >>>>>>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>> >>> Dear Oxom Xahityo Xobha:
> >>>>>>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >In 1917 the Asom Sahitya Sabha was formed as a
> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >guardian of the Assamese society and the forum for the
> >>>>>>>>>> >> > >development of Assamese language and literature.
> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >The word Assamese is an English one, built on the same
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> > >>> >principle as Cingalese, Canarese, etc. It is based on the
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> >>> >English word Assam by which the tract consisting of the
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> >>> >Brahmaputra valley is known.
> >>>>>>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>>>>>> >>> *** It is pretty sad that you don't know the origins of the
> >>>>>>>>>> name
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>> Assam, that you claim is an English name.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> >>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> >>> It is such display of ignorance of our history and an absence of
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> >>> intellectual curiosity to know what it truly is, that makes
> >>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>> likes
> >>>>>>>>>> >>> of Oxom Xahityo Xobha irrelevant to our cultural heritage
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