[Assam] About the Name Assam
umesh sharma
jaipurschool at yahoo.com
Sun Mar 15 20:06:36 PDT 2009
If Assam and Asom are not good enough then why not Brahmaputraland or something based on geography --like Iceland ,Greenland, Death Valley (in USA), Gondwanaland (all world in dino era - based on Gondwana in Orissa, India
Umesh Sharma
Washington D.C.
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--- On Sun, 15/3/09, kamal deka <kjit.deka at gmail.com> wrote:
From: kamal deka <kjit.deka at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Assam] About the Name Assam
To: "A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world" <assam at assamnet.org>
Date: Sunday, 15 March, 2009, 10:57 AM
Who are " they"? If the certified authorities already know the truth,
then
why should the issue be 'mired in controvery'?That is the sole reason
why we
need a consensus.
On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net>
wrote:
> The bottom line is--every " discovery" must be subjected to
scrutiny
>> before
>> it can be taken as an established fact.
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> **** I don't know WHO might argue otherwise. I suspect the
authorities
> whose certification would be required to accept the authenticity of the
> Dutch documents that Wahid Saleh showed us need some prodding to do the
due
> diligence. But then again they may already know the truths they need to
> know and would not stoop to examine something found by rank amateurs.
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> At 9:15 AM -0500 3/15/09, kamal deka wrote:
>
>> I f the etymology of Assam " is mired in controversy",then
why must we
>> accept Assam ( mark you,not Asam/Acam/Asham )as the original name of
our
>> state?By the way,hypothesis is one thing while ' undeniable fact
'
>> quite another.
>> At no point of my writing did I suggest that the name Assam should not
be
>> accepted as the name of our state.That is not the moot point.
>> If the " word Assam has not found incontrovertible
origin",in what sense
>> would it be wrong to say that the very name called Assam could be an
>> Anglicised one?
>> The bottom line is--every " discovery" must be subjected to
scrutiny
>> before
>> it can be taken as an established fact.
>> KJ Deka
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 8:22 AM, uttam borthakur <
>> uttamborthakur at yahoo.co.in
>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>
>> >>>>>>The statement like " I think"
can't be accepted as an unwavering
>>> truth.The
>>> reference must be intact.
>>>
>>> ####### 'I think' was to suggest that I do not have the
copy of the
>>> newspaper that published Professor Jogen Phukan's photograph
addressing
>>> a
>>> huge rally of some sort on this isuue, nor do I have access to
the TV
>>> footage reporting it. My memory of the news items therefore may
not be
>>> unwavering truth, but it can possibly be retrieved by resouceful
>>> persons.
>>>
>>> As the question of 'real historian' was tossed up, I
thought I may make
>>> an
>>> addition to the bibliography provided by Sri Rajen Barua and W.
Saleh.
>>> But I
>>> should not have dared where angels fear to tread.
>>>
>>> You are correct that the word 'Assam' has not found an
incontrovertible
>>> origin. So have many things in life. Like the origin of the human
beings
>>> and/or life itself. But we do not teach or push it down some
one's
>>> throat
>>> that Adam and Eve started the whole process, though there are
many
>>> takers
>>> for such an idea. We all work on working hypothesis and
probability as
>>> adults.
>>>
>>> Here, the origin of the word 'Assam' is still mired in
controversy. Then
>>> there should not be any reason to say for sure that it is
anglicised
>>> version
>>> of Oxom or some other such words nor there should be any inchoate
>>> attempts
>>> to rename the state Asom, as some quarters are trying to do.
>>>
>>> Pending a final resolution, if any, let us accept ASSAM as a name
by
>>> which
>>> our land is known to the world, and OXOM is what we ourselves
call our
>>> land
>>> as.
>>>
>>> Uttam Kumar Borthakur
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: kamal deka <kjit.deka at gmail.com>
>>> To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
world
>>> <
>>> assam at assamnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, 15 March, 2009 6:26:52 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Assam] About the Name Assam
>>>
>>> The statement like " I think" can't be accepted as
an unwavering
>>> truth.The
>>> reference must be intact.Simply put,there is no consensus among
>>> academicians/historians in so far as this issue is concerned.
>>>
>> > KJDeka
>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 9:16 PM, uttam borthakur <
>>> uttamborthakur at yahoo.co.in
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> > I think a 'real historian' Dr. Jogen Phukan almost
led an mass action
>>> > against the change of name to Asom for same or similar
reasons.
>>> >
>>> > Uttam Kumar Borthakur
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ________________________________
>>> > From: Rajen & Ajanta Barua <barua25 at hotmail.com>
>>> > To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from
around the
>>> world <
>>> > assam at assamnet.org>
>>> > Sent: Saturday, 14 March, 2009 7:45:49 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: [Assam] About the Name Assam
>>>
>> > >
>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I will continue to believe that the name Assam was
Anglicised until
>>> proven
>>> > otherwise--- beyond the shadow of a doubt,of course, by real
>>> historians,who
>>> > spent decades studying Assam's history and not by
neophyte historians
>>> >
>>> > Dear Kamal Bhaity:
>>> > Thanks for your opinion on my article and stating your
'belief'.
>>> > My article was written not to change yours or anybody's
'belief', but
>>> to
>>> > let people see the facts and to think rationally analysing
the
>>> available
>>> > facts of history. If one does that, one will normally come
to the
>>> obvious
>>> > conclusion that Assam is not a anglicized word. In your
writing also
>>> you
>>> > have indicated that. However your problem in still sticking
to your
>>> old
>>> > belief that Assam is an anglicized word seems to be two:
>>> > 1) You are convinced about the rational argument that Assam,
Asam
>>> (phonetic
>>> > pronunciation only) is a local word but that you are not yet
100%
>>> convinced
>>> > and that you still have some shadow of doubt.
>>> > 2) Your other problem is that you want to see some writing
by some
>>> "real"
>>> > historians and not to be convinced by writing of of some
'neophyte
>>> > historians" like us. Here what you are saying is that
you would have
>>> been
>>> > convinced of our arguments had we been "real"
historians. I cannot
>>> help
>>> you
>>> > there. But I take it as a compliment. Because what you are
saying is
>>> that
>>> if
>>> > I would have a PhD degree in history you would have been
convinced
>>> beyond
>>> a
>>> > shadow of doubt that my arguments are correct and the name
Assam or
>>> Asam
>>> is
>>> > not an anglicized word. ( I think I qualify for your other
>>> requirement. I
>>> > have spent decades now studying the history of Assam albeit
not for
>>> any
>>> > degree.)
>>> >
>>> > I can however help you to some extent by submitting the
following.
>>> >
>>> > Hope you remember that in 2006, we (some neophyte
historians) wrote a
>>> > Petition to the Chief Minister of Assam not to change the
name of
>>> Assam
>>> to
>>> > Asom. The main arguments of the Petition was that
'Assam' is not an
>>> > anglicized word but a word which was rooted in local
culture. We sent
>>> the
>>> > Petition to many historians, intellectuals and men of
letters of Assam
>>> for
>>> > their support and signatures. To convince them of our
argument, I
>>> personally
>>> > took the pain to discuss with many of them and sent them the
earlier
>>> > version of my article. You will be happy to know all of them
that we
>>> have
>>> > approcahed supported our arguments and signed the Petition.
These
>>> include
>>> > several Ex President of Axam Xahutya Xobha and many notable
historians
>>> > including Dr Jogendra Nath Phukan and Dr Sayeeda Yasmin
Saikia. It was
>>> also
>>> > supported by Dr Bhupen Hazarika, Dr Hiren Gohain and whose
signature
>>> did
>>> not
>>> > appear in the Petition. I present this as their stamp of
approval of
>>> my
>>> > arguments for
>>> > your information since you are looking for support from
"real"
>>> historians.
>>> >
>>> > Besides these, there are many "real" historians
who have shown that
>>> 'Assam'
>>> > or 'Asam" is not a anglicised name. I have cited
some in my article.
>>> You
>>> > will have read for yourself to see their writing.
>>> >
>>> > I post below the first fefteen signatories to the Petion
(the fist
>>> three
>>> > being the 'neophyte historians, in your words)
>>> >
>>> > Again, I am not trying to change your belief, but laying the
facts for
>>> > rational thinking.
>>> >
>>> > The fist fifteen signatories of the Petition:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 1)Rajen & Ajanta Barua, Katy, Texas, USA (Engineer,
Writer & Manager)
>>> > 2)Chandan & Dr. Bonti Mahanta, St Louis, MO, USA
(Architect &
>>>
>> > Radiologist)
>>
>>> > 3)Wahid Saleh, Berkel en Rodenrijs, The Netherlands.
(Retired IT
>>> Manager,
>>> > Community service)
>>> >
>>> > 4)Homen Borgohain, Guwahati, Assam, ((Ex President Axam
Xahitya Xabha)
>>> > 5)Dr. Nagen Saikia , Guwahati, Assam (Ex President, Axam
Xahitya
>>> Xabha)
>>> > 6)Dr.Biren Dutta, Guwahati, Assam, (Ex President Axam
Xahitya Xabha)
>>> > 7)Dr. Lakhinandan Bora, Guwahati, Assam , (Ex President Axam
Xahitya
>>> Xabha)
>>> > 8)Dr. Mamoni Raisom Goswami, Guwahati/Delhi, (Gyanpith Award
Winner,
>>> > Novelist, Professor)
>>>
>> > > 9)Nagen Baruah, Dibrugarh, Assam (President Ahom Xahitya
Xabha)
>>
>>> > 10)Dr. Jogendra Nath Phukan, Guwahati, Assam (Professor of
History)
>>> > 11)Sanjoy Hazarika, Guwahati/Delhi, India (Journalist,
Author, Social
>>> > Worker)
>>> > 12)Shantikam & Sangita Hazarika, Guwahati, (Founder
Director of AIM &
>>> Dance
>>> > Teacher)
>>> > 13)Sumanta Chaliha, Guwahati, Assam, (Lexicographer, Author
of
>>> Assamese
>>> > Dictionaries)
>>> > 14)Dr. Amrit Kr. Baruah, Baltimore, Maryland, USA (Writer,
Author,
>>> > Management Consultant)
>>> > 15)Dr. Sayeeda Yasmin Saikia, Chapel Hill, NC, USA
(Professor of
>>> History,
>>> > Author on Ahom Buronjis)
>>> >
>>> > Rajen & Ajanta Barua
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > From: kamal deka
>>> > Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 10:47 PM
>>> > To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from
around the
>>> world
>>> > Subject: Re: [Assam] About the Name Assam
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I will continue to believe that the name Assam was
Anglicised until
>>> proven
>>> > otherwise--- beyond the shadow of a doubt,of course, by real
>>> historians,who
>>> > spent decades studying Assam's history and not by
neophyte historians
>>> >
>>> > In various documents of British East India Company, in their
>>> relationships
>>> > with the last few Ahom kings, the name of country was
mentioned as
>>> Assam.
>>> > After the fall of the Ahom kingdom and the conquest by the
British in
>>> 1826,
>>> > in the Treaty of Yandabo, "Assam" was used to
denote the area under
>>> the
>>> > erstwhile Ahoms, and its protectorates .
>>> >
>>> > *Theories on etymology*
>>> >
>>> > Though there exists a consensus on the fact that the name
Assam is
>>> > associated with the Ahom kingdom, and the exact etymology of
Assam is
>>> not
>>> > clear.The ere are a number of theories that address this
issue.
>>> >
>>> > *Ha-sam*
>>> >
>>> > According to Amalendu Guha "The Ahom domain of Upper
Assam came to be
>>> known
>>> > to the Dimasa and other Bodo people as "Ha-Sam"
(the land of the Shams
>>> or
>>> > Shans) in etheir language. From this the terms
'Asam' and 'Ahom' were
>>> > derived in due course, and the first term came to stand for
the
>>> expanded
>>> > Ahom klngdom. Under the impact of the Indo-Aryan heritage of
the
>>> region,
>>> > the
>>> > concept of 'Asam' was further extended to cover the
entire area
>>> defined
>>> as
>>> > 'Kamarupa' in the Kalika-Purana (c 9th-10th
centuries). The Ahom
>>> statesmen
>>> > and chroniclers wishfully looked forward to the Karatoya as
their
>>> natural
>>> > western frontier. They also looked upon themselves as the
heirs of
>>> that
>>> > glory that was ancient Kamarupa by right of conquest, and
they long
>>> > cherished infructuously their unfulfilled hopes of expanding
up to
>>> that
>>> > frontier." [*The Ahom Political System: An Enquiry into
the State
>>> Formation
>>> > Process in Medieval Assam (1228-1714), Amalendu Guha, Social
>>> Scientist,
>>> > Vol.
>>> > 11, No. 12. (Dec., 1983), pp. 3-34.*]
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:
>>> >
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>>> > >> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:50:23 -0500
>>> > >> Subject: [Assam Society] Re: [FriendsofAssamNE] RE:
[Assam] About
>>> the
>>> > Name
>>> > >> Assam
>>> > >> X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email-ff-m
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>>> > >>
>>> > >> Wahid:
>>> > >> Thanks. As I have shown in my article, the name
'Asam' or 'Asham'
>>> (for
>>> > the
>>> > >> name of the land) was much older than whcih came
to be used for
>>> the
>>> > name of
>>> > >> the land only in the 17th century. Originally, the
word was used
>>> in
>>> the
>>> > >> Kirton by Sri Xongkordeu for the Ti Ahom people in
the 15th
>>> century.
>>> > >> According to me, this word (for the people) as
used by Xongkordeu,
>>> was
>>> > >> originally derived from the word Asahm (for the
people written in
>>> > Devanagari
>>> > >> and Urdu skript) by the Moghols. This word later
was used for the
>>> land
>>> > >> (instead of the people), and a new word Ahom was
used for the
>>> people.
>>> > Thus
>>> > >> Ahom is also a new word, which is not to found in
Ti Ahom Buronjis.
>>> > Please
>>> > >> note that the word Asham was originally used for
the people and was
>>> > later
>>> > >> changed to mean the land instead of the people when
the Moghols
>>> used
>>> the
>>> > >> name in correspondence.
>>> > >> Thanks
>>> > >> Rajen
>>> > >>
>>> > >> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 5:13 AM, Wahid Saleh(GM)
<<mailto:
>>> > >> wahid.saleh at gmail.com>wahid.saleh at gmail.com>
wrote:
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Rajen,
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Thanks for sharing your article " "In
your article you mentioned
>>> about
>>> > >> Glanius.
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Till now almost all the historians thought that
Glanius went to
>>> Assam.
>>> > But
>>> > >> it was not Glanius who went to Assam. It was a
Dutch sailor named
>>> Frans
>>> > van
>>> > >> der Heiden who had to fight with the army of Mirju
Mala. He kept a
>>> diary
>>> > >> which was first published in 1675. It is very
difficult to find out
>>> who
>>> > >> Glanius was. He translated three books from Dutch
including the
>>> diary
>>> of
>>> > >> Frans van der Heiden. The English translation was
published in 1682
>>> > (from
>>> > >> UK). In his translation he used first person and
nowhere mentioned
>>> or
>>> > >> referred to the name of the original author Frans
van de Heiden. As
>>> most
>>> > of
>>> > >> the historians had access to the English
translation only, they
>>> took
>>> it
>>> > for
>>> > >> granted that Glanius went to Assam. I tried to find
out about
>>> Glanius
>>> > and
>>> > >> published an article. Here you will get some back
ground
>>> information.
>>> A
>>> > >> mistake did slip in to this version of the article.
I misspelt the
>>> name
>>> > of
>>> > >> Dr. Surya Kumar Bhuyan as Dr. Surya Kanta Bhuyan.
>>>
>> > > >>
>>
>>> > >> It is certain that the name Assam existed before
Mirju Mala invaded
>>> > Assam
>>> > >> and before the English came to Assam. Otherwise
Frans van der
>>> Heiden
>>> > would
>>> > >> not be in a position to write about Assam and
Assmers. Different
>>> Mughal
>>> > >> historians used the names Assam, Asham, Ascham,
Acham and Ásám in
>>> their
>>> > >> writings." Asom" with an "o" in
between was unknown to them. In
>>> > particular,
>>> > >> the word Assam (Asham) is mentioned in the
following publications:
>>>
>> > Abul
>>
>>> > >> Fazal Allámi in his compilation of Akbarnama, a
biographical
>>> account
>>> of
>>> > >> Akbar (1542 -1605) mentioned "Rajah of
Asham".
>>> > >>
>>> > >> The name Assam existed when Frans van der Heiden
wrote his diary in
>>> > 1662.
>>> > >> To write about the place and its inhabitants he
used the name of
>>> the
>>> > State
>>> > >> as it was known at that time to the local people.
Otherwise he
>>> would
>>> not
>>> > >> have used the name.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> So we should start asking the question when was the
name of Assam
>>> > changed
>>> > >> to ? In any case it is after 1662.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Wahid
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Van:
<mailto:FriendsofAssamNE at yahoogroups.com>
>>> > >> FriendsofAssamNE at yahoogroups.com
[mailto:<mailto:
>>> > >>
FriendsofAssamNE at yahoogroups.com>FriendsofAssamNE at yahoogroups.com]
>>> > Namens
>>> > >> Rajen Barua
>>> > >> Verzonden: maandag 9 maart 2009 13:40
>>> > >> Aan: assamnet
>>> > >> CC: <mailto:FriendsofAssamNE at yahoogroups.com>
>>> > >> FriendsofAssamNE at yahoogroups.com
>>> > >> Onderwerp: [FriendsofAssamNE] RE: [Assam] About the
Name Assam
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Friends
>>> > >> Looks like many people still think that Assam is an
englished word
>>> of
>>> > the
>>> > >> word Oxom. In fact pronounciation Asam (now a days
written as
>>> Assam)
>>> is
>>> > much
>>> > >> older than the Assamese word Oxom which is of later
origin. One may
>>> read
>>> > my
>>> > >> article attached.
>>> > >> Rajen Barua
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 21:10:59 -0600
>>> > >>> To:
<mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org
>>> > >>> From:
<mailto:cmahanta at charter.net>cmahanta at charter.net
>>> > >>> Subject: Re: [Assam] About the Name Assam
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> > whereas we know for sure the local people
at that time as now
>>> > >>> >called the land "Oxom",
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> *** You do?
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> So much for the certitude of the omniscient!!
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> Did you know that the Ahom people, by and
large, cannot pronounce
>>> the
>>> > >>> 'xo' sound and pronounce it as
'ho' or 'kho'?
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
***************************************************************************************************************
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> At 2:02 PM -0700 3/8/09, Dilip and Dil Deka
wrote:
>>> > >>> >".......an invention of an European,
and thus not credible?" - I
>>> am
>>> > >>> >not suggesting that at all. I am not
Europhobic. :-)
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >Let's take the British days - the maps
and the official records
>>> > >>> >meticulously prepared during that time
called "Oxom" as "Assam"
>>> > >>> >whereas we know for sure the local people
at that time as now
>>> called
>>> > >>> >the land "Oxom", the big
difference being the sound of "x"
>>> versus
>>> > >>> >"s". What credibility would you
give to the authenticity of the
>>> name
>>> > >>> >"Assam" used by the British?
>>> > >>> >In the same token, why would I accept
"Asam" as written by a
>>> Dutch
>>> > >>> >in 17th century as an authentic name? The
Dutch, just like the
>>> > >>> >British cannot pronounce "Oxom".
>>> > >>> >If you accept "Asam" as in Dutch
map as the original name, when
>>> did
>>> > >>> >it change to today's "Oxom"
and who changed it?
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >I still say "Assam" is
anglicized and "Asam" is Hollandized.
>>> Boy!
>>> > >>> >that sounds too much like Hollandaise
sauce.
>>> > >>> >I am surprised there was no comment on the
rest of my email.
>>> > >>> >Dilip
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >________________________________
>>> > >>> >From: Chan Mahanta
<<mailto:cmahanta at charter.net>
>>> > cmahanta at charter.net>
>>> > >>> >To: A Mailing list for people interested
in Assam from around
>>> the
>>>
>> > > >>> >world
<<mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org>;
>> <mailto:
>>
>>> > >>> adhazarika at yahoo.com>adhazarika at yahoo.com
>>> > >>> >Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2009 4:25:08 PM
>>> > >>> >Subject: Re: [Assam] About the Name Assam
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >> But I wouldn't use these books
nor a book written in another
>>> > >>> >>European language (Dutch) to prove
that >Assam is an indigenous
>>> > word.
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >*** Why? Are you suggested the Dutch
traveller who prepared the
>>> map
>>>
>> > > >>> where
>>
>>> > >>> >Assam is recorded as "Asam" was
likely an invention of an
>>> European,
>>> > >>> >and thus not credible?
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >At 12:50 PM -0700 3/8/09, Dilip and Dil
Deka wrote:
>>> > >>> >>Kamal,
>>> > >>> >>In today's parlance, you are
absolutely correct. The local
>>> people
>>> > >>>
>>> > >> > >>call the land "Oxom" and,
themselves "Oxomiya". When those
>>> words
>>> > >>
>>> > >>> >>are written as "Assam" and
"Assamese", it is an attempt to
>>> anglicize
>>> > >>> >>the locally used words.
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>Now whether Oxom was derived from
another word that was local
>>> to
>>> the
>>> > >>> >>area and non-Sanskrit in its origin is
another issue.
>>> > >>> >>As we all know the region (at least
the western part) was
>>> called
>>> > >>> >>Kamrupa in ancient literature. For the
name Kamrupa to change
>>> to
>>> > >>> >>Oxom, it is almost impossible. There
is no resemblance between
>>> the
>>> > >>> >>two words. So the natural assumption
would be that the
>>> > >>> >>transformation to Oxom did not happen
with the so called Hindu
>>> > >>> >>settlers of Assam from the west. It is
more likely it happened
>>> with
>>> > >>> > >the domination of Assam by the Ahoms,
who for the first time
>>> in a
>>> > >>> >>long time brought the people of the
region under one rule
>>> through
>>> > >>> >>political acumen.
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>I have in my possession books
written/compiled by British
>>> officers
>>> > >>> >>where the word Assam is used. But I
wouldn't use these books
>>> nor a
>>> > >>> >>book written in another European
language (Dutch) to prove that
>>> > >>> >>Assam is an indigenous word. There
needs to be more research
>>> done
>>> by
>>> > >>> >>Xahitya Xobha, digging into the
Buranjis of the Ahoms and
>>> whatever
>>> > >>> >>remains of the Ahom language.
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>I am told by my Ahom friends that many
Buranjis were burnt
>>> during
>>> > >>> >>the waning years of Ahom rule. I am
also told many Buranjis are
>>> > >>> >>still available in the Ahom villages
kept as family heirloom.
>>> Does
>>> > >>> >>anyone know how to read and decipher
these tomes?
>>> > >>> >>Isn't there a scholar in all of
Assam who could trace through
>>> the
>>> > >>> >>transformation of Ahom language from
1228 to the British days
>>> > >>> >>to see if the name Oxom was coined by
the Ahoms to describe
>>> their
>>> > >>> kingdom?
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>When I am on a roll, let me also ask
how the Shans from Burma
>>> > >>> >>renamed themselves as Ahoms and when
it happened.
>>> > >>> >>If all of this is known to some
netter, please publish it, so
>>> that
>>> > >>> > >some of us not exposed to recent
findings in Assam can learn
>>> and
>>> > >>> >>stop arguing over a name.
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>Dilip Deka
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>________________________________
>>> > >>> >>From: kamal deka
<<mailto:kjit.deka at gmail.com>
>>> kjit.deka at gmail.com
>>> >
>>> > >>> >>To:
<mailto:adhazarika at yahoo.com>adhazarika at yahoo.com; A
>>> Mailing
>>> > list
>>> > >>> for people interested in
>>> > >>> >>Assam from around the world
<<mailto:assam at assamnet.org>
>>> > >>> assam at assamnet.org>
>>> > >>> >>Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2009 10:23:39
AM
>>> > >>> >>Subject: Re: [Assam] About the Name
Assam
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>In my humble view,the very word "
Assam" is an Anglicised
>>> one.As
>>> an
>>> > >>> >>adjective," Assamese "
pertains to the characteristic of the
>>> people
>>> > of
>>> > >>> >>Assam and their culture..As a noun,it
means the native of Assam
>>> or
>>> > the
>>> > >>> >>language of Assam.
>>> > >>> >>In view of the above fact.Assam
Sahitya Sabha may not be in
>>> error.
>>>
>> > > >>> >>Kamal
>>
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 9:47 PM, Ajoy
Hazarika <<mailto:
>>> > >>>
adhazarika at yahoo.com>adhazarika at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>> Dear Oxom Xahityo Xobha:
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>> I agree with Chandan Mahanta. If
you do not know anything
>>> about
>>> > it,
>>> > >>> >>> an article written by H.
Borgohain. I could not find the
>>> article,
>>> > >>> >>> otherwise I could have forwarded
to you.
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>> Hi Chandan, Rajen, if you have
that article please forward
>>> that
>>>
>> > to
>>
>>> > .
>>> > >>> Oxom
>>> > >>> >>> Xahityo Xobha
>>> > >>> >>> Oxom Xahityo Xobha. It will also
help if Oxom Xahityo Xobha
>>> study
>>> > >>> >>> the Bodo language. There are
other historical facts. Chandan
>>> and
>>> > >>> Rajen
>>> > >>> >>> can help.
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>> A. D. Hazarika
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>> --- On Mon, 3/2/09, Chan Mahanta
<<mailto:
>>> cmahanta at charter.net>
>>> > >>> cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:
>>> > >>> >>> From: Chan Mahanta
<<mailto:cmahanta at charter.net>
>>> > >>> cmahanta at charter.net>
>>> > >>> >>> Subject: [Assam] About the Name
Assam
>>> > >>> >>> To:
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>>> info at axomxahityaxobha.org
>>> > >>> >>> Cc:
<mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org
>>> > >>> >>> Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 9:05
PM
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>> Dear Oxom Xahityo Xobha:
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>> >In 1917 the Asom Sahitya
Sabha was formed as a
>>> > >>> >>> >guardian of the Assamese
society and the forum for the
>>> > >>> >> > >development of Assamese
language and literature.
>>> > >>> >>> >The word Assamese is an
English one, built on the same
>>> > >>>
>>> > >> > >>> >principle as Cingalese,
Canarese, etc. It is based on the
>>> > >>
>>> > >>> >>> >English word Assam by which
the tract consisting of the
>>> > >>> >>> >Brahmaputra valley is known.
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>> *** It is pretty sad that you
don't know the origins of the
>>> name
>>> > >>> >>> Assam, that you claim is an
English name.
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>> It is such display of ignorance
of our history and an absence
>>> of
>>> > >>> >>> intellectual curiosity to know
what it truly is, that makes
>>> the
>>> > >>> likes
>>> > >>> >>> of Oxom Xahityo Xobha irrelevant
to our cultural heritage
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>> Sondon Mohonto
>>> > >>> >>>
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