[Assam] About the Name Assam

Sun Mar 15 20:10:51 PDT 2009

Rajen Da,

In another mail, I've already expressed similar sentiments on the basis of similar reasons. But my reasons are in general terms for the obvious reason that I have not studied the etymological development as you or Saleh Da have done. I asked the question that you are answering now was for the reason that I found that the real reason for the debate got mixed up somewhere.

Uttam Kumar Borthakur

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From: Rajen & Ajanta Barua <barua25 at hotmail.com>
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Sent: Sunday, 15 March, 2009 11:28:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] About the Name Assam

Uttam
We are primarily discussing the spelling of the word ASSAM. But it is invariably connected to its pronunciation. We are making two statements here.

In my article, I am showing that the pronunciation of the name ASAM/ACAM/ASHAM/ASHYAM/ASSAM (We are not debating how A is pronounced by different, but basically same S pronunciation) was the earlier name of the state which was there since the advent of the Ti-Ahoms to Assam. It was the pronunciation used by the Assamese people also (till 18th century) as well as the outsiders till now.

The popular local and dear OXOM pronunciation came later.( sometimes in the 18th century only according to me. The exact date is open for debate however)

Thus according to me, the British did not invent the pronunciation ASAM/ACAM/ASHAM/ASSAM because it was already there when the British came. That pronunciation was already being used by the Moghols and other Europeans when the British came to the scene. At that time however, local Assamese switched to the pronunciation OXOM. But all non khar-khowas were calling our land by the  pronunciation ASAM/ACAM/ASHAM/ASSAM .

Now what Wahid Salleh has shown, with documentary proof, that even the spelling ASSAM was not coined by the British because the Dutch used that spelling long before the British.

Either way, the word ASSAM is not an anglicised word but a word very much rooted in Assamese culture since 13th century.

If someone wants to show that word ASSAM is an anglicised word from the Assamese word OXOM, they need to show some proof and historical document. Otherwise it is a popular myth among the Assamese.

We are saying that both the words OXOM and ASSAM are hare-himojuwe Assamese words,  and let us keep these that way.
Many countries have two names, not to speak of INDIA and BHARAT without any problem.
What is our problem?

Rajen Barua

From: uttam borthakur 
Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 10:20 AM
To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world 
Subject: Re: [Assam] About the Name Assam

Are we discussing the spelling of 'Assam' in English or how it is pronounced? ( Please note that being an Oxomiya I do not pronounce 'a' as the Brits and the Americans do. So, by 'how it is pronounced' I mean by peoples across the board) 
Uttam Kumar Borthakur

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From: kamal deka <kjit.deka at gmail.com>
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Sent: Sunday, 15 March, 2009 8:27:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] About the Name Assam

Who are " they"? If the certified authorities already know the truth, then
why should the issue be 'mired in controvery'?That is the sole reason why we
need a consensus.

On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:

> The bottom line is--every " discovery" must be subjected to scrutiny
>> before
>> it can be taken as an established fact.
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> **** I don't know WHO might argue otherwise. I suspect the authorities
> whose certification would be required to accept the authenticity of the
> Dutch documents that Wahid Saleh showed us need some prodding to do the due
> diligence. But then again they may already know the truths they need to
> know and would not stoop to examine something found by rank amateurs.
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> At 9:15 AM -0500 3/15/09, kamal deka wrote:
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>> I f the etymology of Assam " is mired in controversy",then why must we
>> accept Assam ( mark you,not Asam/Acam/Asham )as the original name of our
>> state?By the way,hypothesis is one thing while ' undeniable fact '
>> quite another.
>> At no point of my writing did I suggest that the name Assam should not be
>> accepted as the name of our state.That is not the moot point.
>> If the " word Assam has not found incontrovertible origin",in what sense
>> would it be wrong to say that the very name called Assam could be an
>> Anglicised one?
>> The bottom line is--every " discovery" must be subjected to scrutiny
>> before
>> it can be taken as an established fact.
>> KJ Deka
>>
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>> On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 8:22 AM, uttam borthakur <
>> uttamborthakur at yahoo.co.in
>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>
>> >>>>>>The statement like " I think" can't be accepted as an unwavering
>>> truth.The
>>> reference must be intact.
>>>
>>> ####### 'I think' was to suggest that I do not have the copy of the
>>> newspaper that published Professor Jogen Phukan's photograph addressing
>>> a
>>> huge rally of some sort on this isuue, nor do I have access to the TV
>>> footage reporting it. My memory of the news items therefore may not be
>>> unwavering truth, but it can possibly be retrieved by resouceful
>>> persons.
>>>
>>> As the question of 'real historian' was tossed up, I thought I may make
>>> an
>>> addition to the bibliography provided by Sri Rajen Barua and W. Saleh.
>>> But I
>>> should not have dared where angels fear to tread.
>>>
>>> You are correct that the word 'Assam' has not found an incontrovertible
>>> origin. So have many things in life. Like the origin of the human beings
>>> and/or life itself. But we do not teach or push it down some one's
>>> throat
>>> that Adam and Eve started the whole process, though there are many
>>> takers
>>> for such an idea. We all work on working hypothesis and probability as
>>> adults.
>>>
>>> Here, the origin of the word 'Assam' is still mired in controversy. Then
>>> there should not be any reason to say for sure that it is anglicised
>>> version
>>> of Oxom or some other such words nor there should be any inchoate
>>> attempts
>>> to rename the state Asom, as some quarters are trying to do.
>>>
>>> Pending a final resolution, if any, let us accept ASSAM as a name by
>>> which
>>> our land is known to the world, and OXOM is what we ourselves call our
>>> land
>>> as.
>>>
>>> Uttam Kumar Borthakur
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: kamal deka <kjit.deka at gmail.com>
>>> To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world
>>> <
>>> assam at assamnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, 15 March, 2009 6:26:52 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Assam] About the Name Assam
>>>
>>> The statement like " I think" can't be accepted as an unwavering
>>> truth.The
>>> reference must be intact.Simply put,there is no consensus among
>>> academicians/historians in so far as this issue is concerned.
>>>
>> > KJDeka
>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 9:16 PM, uttam borthakur <
>>> uttamborthakur at yahoo.co.in
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> > I think a 'real historian' Dr. Jogen Phukan almost led an mass action
>>> > against the change of name to Asom for same or similar reasons.
>>> >
>>> > Uttam Kumar Borthakur
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ________________________________
>>> > From: Rajen & Ajanta Barua <barua25 at hotmail.com>
>>> > To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
>>> world <
>>> > assam at assamnet.org>
>>> > Sent: Saturday, 14 March, 2009 7:45:49 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: [Assam] About the Name Assam
>>>
>> > >
>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I will continue to believe that the name Assam was Anglicised until
>>> proven
>>> > otherwise--- beyond the shadow of a doubt,of course, by real
>>> historians,who
>>> > spent decades studying Assam's history and not by neophyte historians
>>> >
>>> > Dear Kamal Bhaity:
>>> > Thanks for your opinion on my article and stating your 'belief'.
>>> > My article was written not to change yours or anybody's 'belief', but
>>> to
>>> > let people see the facts and to think rationally analysing the
>>> available
>>> > facts of history. If one does that, one will normally come to the
>>> obvious
>>> > conclusion that Assam is not a anglicized word. In your writing also
>>> you
>>> > have indicated that. However your problem in still sticking to your
>>> old
>>> > belief that Assam is an anglicized word seems to be two:
>>> > 1) You are convinced about the rational argument that Assam, Asam
>>> (phonetic
>>> > pronunciation only) is a local word but that you are not yet 100%
>>> convinced
>>> > and that you still have some shadow of doubt.
>>> > 2) Your other problem is that you want to see some writing by some
>>> "real"
>>> > historians and not to be convinced by writing of of some 'neophyte
>>> > historians" like us. Here what you are saying is that you would have
>>> been
>>> > convinced of our arguments had we been "real" historians. I cannot
>>> help
>>> you
>>> > there. But I take it as a compliment. Because what you are saying is
>>> that
>>> if
>>> > I would have a PhD degree in history you would have been convinced
>>> beyond
>>> a
>>> > shadow of doubt that my arguments are correct and the name Assam or
>>> Asam
>>> is
>>> > not an anglicized word. ( I think I qualify for your other
>>> requirement. I
>>> > have spent decades now studying the history of Assam albeit not for
>>> any
>>> > degree.)
>>> >
>>> > I can however help you to some extent by submitting the following.
>>> >
>>> > Hope you remember that in 2006, we (some neophyte historians) wrote a
>>> > Petition to the Chief Minister of Assam not to change the name of
>>> Assam
>>> to
>>> > Asom. The main arguments of the Petition was that 'Assam' is not an
>>> > anglicized word but a word which was rooted in local culture. We sent
>>> the
>>> > Petition to many historians, intellectuals and men of letters of Assam
>>> for
>>> > their support and signatures. To convince them of our argument, I
>>> personally
>>> > took the pain to discuss with many of them and sent them the earlier
>>> > version of my article. You will be happy to know all of them that we
>>> have
>>> > approcahed supported our arguments and signed the Petition. These
>>> include
>>> > several Ex President of Axam Xahutya Xobha and many notable historians
>>> > including Dr Jogendra Nath Phukan and Dr Sayeeda Yasmin Saikia. It was
>>> also
>>> > supported by Dr Bhupen Hazarika, Dr Hiren Gohain and whose signature
>>> did
>>> not
>>> > appear in the Petition. I present this as their stamp of approval of
>>> my
>>> > arguments for
>>> > your information since you are looking for support from "real"
>>> historians.
>>> >
>>> > Besides these, there are many "real" historians who have shown that
>>> 'Assam'
>>> > or 'Asam" is not a anglicised name. I have cited some in my article.
>>> You
>>> > will have read for yourself to see their writing.
>>> >
>>> > I post below the first fefteen signatories to the Petion (the fist
>>> three
>>> > being the 'neophyte historians, in your words)
>>> >
>>> > Again, I am not trying to change your belief, but laying the facts for
>>> > rational thinking.
>>> >
>>> > The fist fifteen signatories of the Petition:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 1)Rajen & Ajanta Barua, Katy, Texas, USA (Engineer, Writer & Manager)
>>> > 2)Chandan & Dr. Bonti Mahanta, St Louis, MO, USA (Architect &
>>>
>> > Radiologist)
>>
>>> > 3)Wahid Saleh, Berkel en Rodenrijs, The Netherlands. (Retired IT
>>> Manager,
>>> > Community service)
>>> >
>>> > 4)Homen Borgohain, Guwahati, Assam, ((Ex President Axam Xahitya Xabha)
>>> > 5)Dr. Nagen Saikia , Guwahati, Assam (Ex President, Axam Xahitya
>>> Xabha)
>>> > 6)Dr.Biren Dutta, Guwahati, Assam, (Ex President Axam Xahitya Xabha)
>>> > 7)Dr. Lakhinandan Bora, Guwahati, Assam , (Ex President Axam Xahitya
>>> Xabha)
>>> > 8)Dr. Mamoni Raisom Goswami, Guwahati/Delhi, (Gyanpith Award Winner,
>>> > Novelist, Professor)
>>>
>> > > 9)Nagen Baruah, Dibrugarh, Assam (President Ahom Xahitya Xabha)
>>
>>> > 10)Dr. Jogendra Nath Phukan, Guwahati, Assam (Professor of History)
>>> > 11)Sanjoy Hazarika, Guwahati/Delhi, India (Journalist, Author, Social
>>> > Worker)
>>> > 12)Shantikam & Sangita Hazarika, Guwahati, (Founder Director of AIM &
>>> Dance
>>> > Teacher)
>>> > 13)Sumanta Chaliha, Guwahati, Assam, (Lexicographer, Author of
>>> Assamese
>>> > Dictionaries)
>>> > 14)Dr. Amrit Kr. Baruah, Baltimore, Maryland, USA (Writer, Author,
>>> > Management Consultant)
>>> > 15)Dr. Sayeeda Yasmin Saikia, Chapel Hill, NC, USA (Professor of
>>> History,
>>> > Author on Ahom Buronjis)
>>> >
>>> > Rajen & Ajanta Barua
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > From: kamal deka
>>> > Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 10:47 PM
>>> > To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
>>> world
>>> > Subject: Re: [Assam] About the Name Assam
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I will continue to believe that the name Assam was Anglicised until
>>> proven
>>> > otherwise--- beyond the shadow of a doubt,of course, by real
>>> historians,who
>>> > spent decades studying Assam's history and not by neophyte historians
>>> >
>>> > In various documents of British East India Company, in their
>>> relationships
>>> > with the last few Ahom kings, the name of country was mentioned as
>>> Assam.
>>> > After the fall of the Ahom kingdom and the conquest by the British in
>>> 1826,
>>> > in the Treaty of Yandabo, "Assam" was used to denote the area under
>>> the
>>> > erstwhile Ahoms, and its protectorates .
>>> >
>>> > *Theories on etymology*
>>> >
>>> > Though there exists a consensus on the fact that the name Assam is
>>> > associated with the Ahom kingdom, and the exact etymology of Assam is
>>> not
>>> > clear.The ere are a number of theories that address this issue.
>>> >
>>> > *Ha-sam*
>>> >
>>> > According to Amalendu Guha "The Ahom domain of Upper Assam came to be
>>> known
>>> > to the Dimasa and other Bodo people as "Ha-Sam" (the land of the Shams
>>> or
>>> > Shans) in etheir language. From this the terms 'Asam' and 'Ahom' were
>>> > derived in due course, and the first term came to stand for the
>>> expanded
>>> > Ahom klngdom. Under the impact of the Indo-Aryan heritage of the
>>> region,
>>> > the
>>> > concept of 'Asam' was further extended to cover the entire area
>>> defined
>>> as
>>> > 'Kamarupa' in the Kalika-Purana (c 9th-10th centuries). The Ahom
>>> statesmen
>>> > and chroniclers wishfully looked forward to the Karatoya as their
>>> natural
>>> > western frontier. They also looked upon themselves as the heirs of
>>> that
>>> > glory that was ancient Kamarupa by right of conquest, and they long
>>> > cherished infructuously their unfulfilled hopes of expanding up to
>>> that
>>> > frontier." [*The Ahom Political System: An Enquiry into the State
>>> Formation
>>> > Process in Medieval Assam (1228-1714), Amalendu Guha, Social
>>> Scientist,
>>> > Vol.
>>> > 11, No. 12. (Dec., 1983), pp. 3-34.*]
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:
>>> >
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>>> > >> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 07:50:23 -0500
>>> > >> Subject: [Assam Society] Re: [FriendsofAssamNE] RE: [Assam] About
>>> the
>>> > Name
>>> > >> Assam
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>>> > >>
>>> > >> Wahid:
>>> > >> Thanks. As I have shown in my article, the name 'Asam' or 'Asham'
>>> (for
>>> > the
>>> > >> name of the land) was much older than whcih came to be used for
>>> the
>>> > name of
>>> > >> the land only in the 17th century. Originally, the word was used
>>> in
>>> the
>>> > >> Kirton by Sri Xongkordeu for the Ti Ahom people in the 15th
>>> century.
>>> > >> According to me, this word (for the people) as used by Xongkordeu,
>>> was
>>> > >> originally derived from the word Asahm (for the people written in
>>> > Devanagari
>>> > >> and Urdu skript) by the Moghols. This word later was used for the
>>> land
>>> > >> (instead of the people), and a new word Ahom was used for the
>>> people.
>>> > Thus
>>> > >> Ahom is also a new word, which is not to found in Ti Ahom Buronjis.
>>> > Please
>>> > >> note that the word Asham was originally used for the people and was
>>> > later
>>> > >> changed to mean the land instead of the people when the Moghols
>>> used
>>> the
>>> > >> name in correspondence.
>>> > >> Thanks
>>> > >> Rajen
>>> > >>
>>> > >> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 5:13 AM, Wahid Saleh(GM) <<mailto:
>>> > >> wahid.saleh at gmail.com>wahid.saleh at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Rajen,
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Thanks for sharing your article " "In your article you mentioned
>>> about
>>> > >> Glanius.
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Till now almost all the historians thought that Glanius went to
>>> Assam.
>>> > But
>>> > >> it was not Glanius who went to Assam. It was a Dutch sailor named
>>> Frans
>>> > van
>>> > >> der Heiden who had to fight with the army of Mirju Mala. He kept a
>>> diary
>>> > >> which was first published in 1675. It is very difficult to find out
>>> who
>>> > >> Glanius was. He translated three books from Dutch including the
>>> diary
>>> of
>>> > >> Frans van der Heiden. The English translation was published in 1682
>>> > (from
>>> > >> UK). In his translation he used first person and nowhere mentioned
>>> or
>>> > >> referred to the name of the original author Frans van de Heiden. As
>>> most
>>> > of
>>> > >> the historians had access to the English translation only, they
>>> took
>>> it
>>> > for
>>> > >> granted that Glanius went to Assam. I tried to find out about
>>> Glanius
>>> > and
>>> > >> published an article. Here you will get some back ground
>>> information.
>>> A
>>> > >> mistake did slip in to this version of the article. I misspelt the
>>> name
>>> > of
>>> > >> Dr. Surya Kumar Bhuyan as Dr. Surya Kanta Bhuyan.
>>>
>> > > >>
>>
>>> > >> It is certain that the name Assam existed before Mirju Mala invaded
>>> > Assam
>>> > >> and before the English came to Assam. Otherwise Frans van der
>>> Heiden
>>> > would
>>> > >> not be in a position to write about Assam and Assmers. Different
>>> Mughal
>>> > >> historians used the names Assam, Asham, Ascham, Acham and Ásám in
>>> their
>>> > >> writings." Asom" with an "o" in between was unknown to them. In
>>> > particular,
>>> > >> the word Assam (Asham) is mentioned in the following publications:
>>>
>> > Abul
>>
>>> > >> Fazal Allámi in his compilation of Akbarnama, a biographical
>>> account
>>> of
>>> > >> Akbar (1542 -1605) mentioned "Rajah of Asham".
>>> > >>
>>> > >> The name Assam existed when Frans van der Heiden wrote his diary in
>>> > 1662.
>>> > >> To write about the place and its inhabitants he used the name of
>>> the
>>> > State
>>> > >> as it was known at that time to the local people. Otherwise he
>>> would
>>> not
>>> > >> have used the name.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> So we should start asking the question when was the name of Assam
>>> > changed
>>> > >> to ? In any case it is after 1662.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Wahid
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Van: <mailto:FriendsofAssamNE at yahoogroups.com>
>>> > >> FriendsofAssamNE at yahoogroups.com [mailto:<mailto:
>>> > >> FriendsofAssamNE at yahoogroups.com>FriendsofAssamNE at yahoogroups.com]
>>> > Namens
>>> > >> Rajen Barua
>>> > >> Verzonden: maandag 9 maart 2009 13:40
>>> > >> Aan: assamnet
>>> > >> CC: <mailto:FriendsofAssamNE at yahoogroups.com>
>>> > >> FriendsofAssamNE at yahoogroups.com
>>> > >> Onderwerp: [FriendsofAssamNE] RE: [Assam] About the Name Assam
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Friends
>>> > >> Looks like many people still think that Assam is an englished word
>>> of
>>> > the
>>> > >> word Oxom. In fact pronounciation Asam (now a days written as
>>> Assam)
>>> is
>>> > much
>>> > >> older than the Assamese word Oxom which is of later origin. One may
>>> read
>>> > my
>>> > >> article attached.
>>> > >> Rajen Barua
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 21:10:59 -0600
>>> > >>> To: <mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org
>>> > >>> From: <mailto:cmahanta at charter.net>cmahanta at charter.net
>>> > >>> Subject: Re: [Assam] About the Name Assam
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> > whereas we know for sure the local people at that time as now
>>> > >>> >called the land "Oxom",
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> *** You do?
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> So much for the certitude of the omniscient!!
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> Did you know that the Ahom people, by and large, cannot pronounce
>>> the
>>> > >>> 'xo' sound and pronounce it as 'ho' or 'kho'?
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> ***************************************************************************************************************
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> At 2:02 PM -0700 3/8/09, Dilip and Dil Deka wrote:
>>> > >>> >".......an invention of an European, and thus not credible?" - I
>>> am
>>> > >>> >not suggesting that at all. I am not Europhobic. :-)
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >Let's take the British days - the maps and the official records
>>> > >>> >meticulously prepared during that time called "Oxom" as "Assam"
>>> > >>> >whereas we know for sure the local people at that time as now
>>> called
>>> > >>> >the land "Oxom", the big difference being the sound of "x"
>>> versus
>>> > >>> >"s". What credibility would you give to the authenticity of the
>>> name
>>> > >>> >"Assam" used by the British?
>>> > >>> >In the same token, why would I accept "Asam" as written by a
>>> Dutch
>>> > >>> >in 17th century as an authentic name? The Dutch, just like the
>>> > >>> >British cannot pronounce "Oxom".
>>> > >>> >If you accept "Asam" as in Dutch map as the original name, when
>>> did
>>> > >>> >it change to today's "Oxom" and who changed it?
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >I still say "Assam" is anglicized and "Asam" is Hollandized.
>>> Boy!
>>> > >>> >that sounds too much like Hollandaise sauce.
>>> > >>> >I am surprised there was no comment on the rest of my email.
>>> > >>> >Dilip
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >________________________________
>>> > >>> >From: Chan Mahanta <<mailto:cmahanta at charter.net>
>>> > cmahanta at charter.net>
>>> > >>> >To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around
>>> the
>>>
>> > > >>> >world <<mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org>;
>> <mailto:
>>
>>> > >>> adhazarika at yahoo.com>adhazarika at yahoo.com
>>> > >>> >Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2009 4:25:08 PM
>>> > >>> >Subject: Re: [Assam] About the Name Assam
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >> But I wouldn't use these books nor a book written in another
>>> > >>> >>European language (Dutch) to prove that >Assam is an indigenous
>>> > word.
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >*** Why? Are you suggested the Dutch traveller who prepared the
>>> map
>>>
>> > > >>> where
>>
>>> > >>> >Assam is recorded as "Asam" was likely an invention of an
>>> European,
>>> > >>> >and thus not credible?
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >
>>> > >>> >At 12:50 PM -0700 3/8/09, Dilip and Dil Deka wrote:
>>> > >>> >>Kamal,
>>> > >>> >>In today's parlance, you are absolutely correct. The local
>>> people
>>> > >>>
>>> > >> > >>call the land "Oxom" and, themselves "Oxomiya". When those
>>> words
>>> > >>
>>> > >>> >>are written as "Assam" and "Assamese", it is an attempt to
>>> anglicize
>>> > >>> >>the locally used words.
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>Now whether Oxom was derived from another word that was local
>>> to
>>> the
>>> > >>> >>area and non-Sanskrit in its origin is another issue.
>>> > >>> >>As we all know the region (at least the western part) was
>>> called
>>> > >>> >>Kamrupa in ancient literature. For the name Kamrupa to change
>>> to
>>> > >>> >>Oxom, it is almost impossible. There is no resemblance between
>>> the
>>> > >>> >>two words. So the natural assumption would be that the
>>> > >>> >>transformation to Oxom did not happen with the so called Hindu
>>> > >>> >>settlers of Assam from the west. It is more likely it happened
>>> with
>>> > >>> > >the domination of Assam by the Ahoms, who for the first time
>>> in a
>>> > >>> >>long time brought the people of the region under one rule
>>> through
>>> > >>> >>political acumen.
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>I have in my possession books written/compiled by British
>>> officers
>>> > >>> >>where the word Assam is used. But I wouldn't use these books
>>> nor a
>>> > >>> >>book written in another European language (Dutch) to prove that
>>> > >>> >>Assam is an indigenous word. There needs to be more research
>>> done
>>> by
>>> > >>> >>Xahitya Xobha, digging into the Buranjis of the Ahoms and
>>> whatever
>>> > >>> >>remains of the Ahom language.
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>I am told by my Ahom friends that many Buranjis were burnt
>>> during
>>> > >>> >>the waning years of Ahom rule. I am also told many Buranjis are
>>> > >>> >>still available in the Ahom villages kept as family heirloom.
>>> Does
>>> > >>> >>anyone know how to read and decipher these tomes?
>>> > >>> >>Isn't there a scholar in all of Assam who could trace through
>>> the
>>> > >>> >>transformation of Ahom language from 1228 to the British days
>>> > >>> >>to see if the name Oxom was coined by the Ahoms to describe
>>> their
>>> > >>> kingdom?
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>When I am on a roll, let me also ask how the Shans from Burma
>>> > >>> >>renamed themselves as Ahoms and when it happened.
>>> > >>> >>If all of this is known to some netter, please publish it, so
>>> that
>>> > >>> > >some of us not exposed to recent findings in Assam can learn
>>> and
>>> > >>> >>stop arguing over a name.
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>Dilip Deka
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>________________________________
>>> > >>> >>From: kamal deka <<mailto:kjit.deka at gmail.com>
>>> kjit.deka at gmail.com
>>> >
>>> > >>> >>To: <mailto:adhazarika at yahoo.com>adhazarika at yahoo.com; A
>>> Mailing
>>> > list
>>> > >>> for people interested in
>>> > >>> >>Assam from around the world <<mailto:assam at assamnet.org>
>>> > >>> assam at assamnet.org>
>>> > >>> >>Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2009 10:23:39 AM
>>> > >>> >>Subject: Re: [Assam] About the Name Assam
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>In my humble view,the very word " Assam" is an Anglicised
>>> one.As
>>> an
>>> > >>> >>adjective," Assamese " pertains to the characteristic of the
>>> people
>>> > of
>>> > >>> >>Assam and their culture..As a noun,it means the native of Assam
>>> or
>>> > the
>>> > >>> >>language of Assam.
>>> > >>> >>In view of the above fact.Assam Sahitya Sabha may not be in
>>> error.
>>>
>> > > >>> >>Kamal
>>
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 9:47 PM, Ajoy Hazarika <<mailto:
>>> > >>> adhazarika at yahoo.com>adhazarika at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> > >>> >>
>>> > >>> >>> Dear Oxom Xahityo Xobha:
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>> I agree with Chandan Mahanta. If you do not know anything
>>> about
>>> > it,
>>> > >>> >>> an article written by H. Borgohain. I could not find the
>>> article,
>>> > >>> >>> otherwise I could have forwarded to you.
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>> Hi Chandan, Rajen, if you have that article please forward
>>> that
>>>
>> > to
>>
>>> > .
>>> > >>> Oxom
>>> > >>> >>> Xahityo Xobha
>>> > >>> >>> Oxom Xahityo Xobha. It will also help if Oxom Xahityo Xobha
>>> study
>>> > >>> >>> the Bodo language. There are other historical facts. Chandan
>>> and
>>> > >>> Rajen
>>> > >>> >>> can help.
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>> A. D. Hazarika
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>> --- On Mon, 3/2/09, Chan Mahanta <<mailto:
>>> cmahanta at charter.net>
>>> > >>> cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:
>>> > >>> >>> From: Chan Mahanta <<mailto:cmahanta at charter.net>
>>> > >>> cmahanta at charter.net>
>>> > >>> >>> Subject: [Assam] About the Name Assam
>>> > >>> >>> To: <mailto:info at axomxahityaxobha.org>
>>> info at axomxahityaxobha.org
>>> > >>> >>> Cc: <mailto:assam at assamnet.org>assam at assamnet.org
>>> > >>> >>> Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 9:05 PM
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>> Dear Oxom Xahityo Xobha:
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>> >In 1917 the Asom Sahitya Sabha was formed as a
>>> > >>> >>> >guardian of the Assamese society and the forum for the
>>> > >>> >> > >development of Assamese language and literature.
>>> > >>> >>> >The word Assamese is an English one, built on the same
>>> > >>>
>>> > >> > >>> >principle as Cingalese, Canarese, etc. It is based on the
>>> > >>
>>> > >>> >>> >English word Assam by which the tract consisting of the
>>> > >>> >>> >Brahmaputra valley is known.
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>> *** It is pretty sad that you don't know the origins of the
>>> name
>>> > >>> >>> Assam, that you claim is an English name.
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>> It is such display of ignorance of our history and an absence
>>> of
>>> > >>> >>> intellectual curiosity to know what it truly is, that makes
>>> the
>>> > >>> likes
>>> > >>> >>> of Oxom Xahityo Xobha irrelevant to our cultural heritage
>>> > >>> >>>
>>> > >>> >>> Sondon Mohonto
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