[Assam] assam Digest, Vol 44, Issue 23 - About the name Assam
Chan Mahanta
cmahanta at charter.net
Tue Mar 17 16:44:06 PDT 2009
>There is also proof that the Dutch used the name before the British
>did. It still does not prove that the >residents of Assam called
>their land by that name. That is the point of my bringing in Bodo
>language >side of the equation.
**** That is a different issue from the one that generated the debate.
At 2:45 PM -0700 3/17/09, Dilip and Dil Deka wrote:
>'' In the meantime, verifiable proof exists
>to claim with certainty that Assam is NOT an anglicized form of what
>the historical name of what we call Oxom today, because it predates
>the British arrival in Assam. Pretty simple."
>------ As I said, the proof provided shows outsiders (foreigners)
>called the land "Assam" or "Asem" or whatever else. That includes
>the Dutch, the Mughals, and the British. There is also proof that
>the Dutch used the name before the British did. It still does not
>prove that the residents of Assam called their land by that name.
>That is the point of my bringing in Bodo language side of the
>equation.
>
>" >I personally feel deeper research has to be done into Bodo language
>>and folk-literature to see if the >root of the word Oxom can be
>>found.
>That is one's prerogative. Like it is for creationists to find proof
>to debunk evolution."
>------- Your words have no relevance here. You are reading me
>wrong. I am not debunking the statement that the land in question
>was called Assam (or whatever else) by outsiders before the British.
>My curiosity is about "Oxom" and "Ahom". When did these words come
>into use? The Tais did not call themselves Ahom. So who started that
>word? Do the words Ahom and Oxom have some connection? I am
>suggesting that Bodo language may give some clue.
>
>Is it fair to say that this whole Assamnet debate wouldn't have
>started if OXX had used the word "Westernized" in stead of
>"Anglicized" to describe the word "Assam"?
>I agree that "Asom" is not a suitable replacement for "Assam" as
>proposed by the Assam govt.
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>From: Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net>
>To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
>world <assam at assamnet.org>; wahid.saleh at gmail.com
>Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 3:51:58 PM
>Subject: Re: [Assam] assam Digest, Vol 44, Issue 23 - About the name Assam
>
>>I personally feel deeper research has to be done into Bodo language
>>and folk-literature to see if the >root of the word Oxom can be
>>found.
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>*** That is one's prerogative. Like it is for creationists to find
>proof to debunk evolution. In the meantime, verifiable proof exists
>to claim with certainty that Assam is NOT an anglicized form of what
>the historical name of what we call Oxom today, because it predates
>the British arrival in Assam. Pretty simple.
>
>THAT was the point of contention: What OXX's website claimed.
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>At 10:02 AM -0700 3/17/09, Dilip and Dil Deka wrote:
>>Mr. Saleh,
>>
>>You said, " All I did was to search for available information in
>>publications (in English and other languages) and
>>compile the information and publish an article to show that the name Assam
>>was not given by the British. The name existed before the British
>>came to Assam."
>>
>>Your interest in the subject and the time you spent in the
>>research should be appreciated by all who are somewhat interested in
>>Assam's history. In the above paragraph, you have also made it very
>>clear that your goal was to show that other outsiders (other than
>>the British) also called today's Oxom as Assam or something similar.
>>I do not believe you wanted to get into the debate over whether the
>>name Assam (or something similar) came first, or Oxom. As we have
>>seen in this debate and elsewhere, it will be very hard to pinpoint
>>when the name Oxom came into being. Dr. Yasmin Saikia in her
>>research concluded that a name for the Ahom kingdom does not appear
> >in the Buranjis remaining today. As we know a large number of
>>Buranjis were burnt under the care of Kirti Charan Barbarua. There
>>may be some hiding in some village in Assam. Who knows?
>>
>>I personally feel deeper research has to be done into Bodo language
>>and folk-literature to see if the root of the word Oxom can be found.
>>I asked a question a few days ago - who gave the name Ahom to the
>>Tai group and why did the Tai people so willingly accepted it?
>>No one has answered it.
>>
>>Again, thanks for your dedication to things Assamese.
>>Dilip Deka
>>
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>>________________________________
>>From: Wahid Saleh(GM) <wahid.saleh at gmail.com>
>>To: assam at assamnet..org
>>Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:01:54 AM
>>Subject: Re: [Assam] assam Digest, Vol 44, Issue 23 - About the name Assam
>>
>>>>I am wondering what prevents Mr.Saleh from confronting people like
>>>>Prof.Priyam Goswami of Gauhati University or Prof.Amalendu Guha with
>>>>his newly-found Dutch document which will certainly make them
>>>>laughter-evoking buffoons for being so ignorant about Assam's history ?
>>
>>It was not my intention to confront others. All I did was to search for
>>available information in publications (in English and other languages) and
>>compile the information and publish an article to show that the name Assam
>>was not given by the British. The name existed before the British came to
>>Assam.
>>
>>In my search for information on this subject I contacted persons who knew
>>about Indian, Dutch, English and Portuguese histories, did research and
>>published papers and books in their respective fields. They were based in
>>Australia, Bangladesh, Iran, India, the Netherlands, Portugal, Vietnam,
>>Thailand, UK and USA. Most of them are considered to be authorities in their
>>respective fields. I also did some research on Marco Polo and Huen Tsang to
>>find out if they mentioned the name Assam in their travel journals.
>>
>>During this process I stumbled upon the fact that the person named Glanius
>>who is mentioned by several well-known historians did not accompany Mir
>>Jumla and also never visited Assam. I also published an article on the same
>>subject.
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>>We all have the freedom to accept the mentioned books/publications as
>>historical documents or reject them totally.
>>
>>I quoted Prof. Priyam Goswami from a news item published by Times of India
>>(26-02-06) with the title "Assam to fall off the map, turn Asom" as Mr. Deka
>>wanted explanations from someone competent authority.
>>
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>>>I remain unconvinced.
>>>In the fitness of thing,the entire matter ought to be left for those,who
>>are in the business of reading,analyzing and interpreting the nitty-gritty
>>>historical facts and data.
>>>I refuse to accept the interpretation put forward by Saleh/Barua as an
>>>unshakable truth.
>>>As far as I am concerned,their explanation is of no consequence,pending
>>full verification by the competent ones.
> >>Meanwhile,those self-proclaimed neo-historians should stop the tamasha of
>>>re-writing and re-interpreting facts in regard to Assam's
>>>history,who,perhaps,haven't studied the subject seriously save high-school
>>>history :-)
>>
>>Mr. Amalendu Guha and Kalika Purna were quoted by Mr. Deka and my reply was
>>only in reference to the said quotes.
>>
>>Both Prof Goswami and Mr. Guha wrote within the framework of information
>>available to them. This does not mean that they are "buffons". They are
>>contributing their own way to the knowledge of the society. In and outside
>>their academic circle they are respected academicians. We may agree with
>>them or reject their arguments without using some adjectives which they
>>don't deserve.
>>
>>Wahid Saleh
>>
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>>Today's Topics:
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>> 1. Re: About the name Assam (Choudhary, H. N. - AMW - MUM)
>> 2. Of Wearing Suits and their Side-effects - Kalyan
>> Dutta-Choudhury, The Sentinel (Ram Sarangapani)
>> 3. Re: About the name Assam (kamal deka)
>> 4. Re: About the name Assam (kamal deka)
>> 5. Re: About the name Assam (kamal deka)
>> 6. Re: About the name Assam (Chan Mahanta)
>> 7. Re: About the name Assam (Rajen & Ajanta Barua)
>> 8. Re: About the name Assam (Rajen & Ajanta Barua)
>> 9. Re: About the name Assam (Rajen & Ajanta Barua)
>> 10. Re: About the name Assam (kamal deka)
>> 11. Re: About the name Assam (kamal deka)
>> 12. Fragmented Memories: Struggling to be Tai-Ahom in India - by
>> Yasmin Saikia (Dilip and Dil Deka)
>> 13. Re: Fragmented Memories: Struggling to be Tai-Ahom in India -
>> by Yasmin Saikia (Babul Gogoi)
>> 14. Sanskrit and Assamese (Alpana B. Sarangapani)
>> 15. Re: About the name Assam (kamal deka)
>> 16.. Web site of the "Adinor Sambad" (Buljit Buragohain)
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>>Message: 1
>>Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:59:07 +0530
>>From: "Choudhary, H. N. - AMW - MUM" <HNChoudhary at amwasia.com>
>>Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
>>To: "A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
>> world" <assam at assamnet.org>
>>Cc: rc2559 at columbia.edu
>>Message-ID:
>> <C277F575BBB7F54B9DB20593FACB611003A415 at amwbkcexch.amwasia.com>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
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>>Dear All,
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>>Having read the mails and communications on the subject "about the name
>>of Assam",
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>>I feel that the debate on the subject has become acrimonious and
>>somewhat personal.
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>>No one can clam fame to become a historian overnight by writing an
>>article on a historical topic. It is also not appropriate to call them
>>"neophyte historians" as they may not deserve the accolade.
>>
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>>If I have to give my comments on the following remarks:
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>>"There are many ignorant educated people in Assam. There are again some
>>educated intellectuals with different agendas."
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>>-- I will like to reserve my comments.
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>>Please exercise restraint and caution on commenting poorly on the whole
>>of Assam or Assamese people.
>>
>>Your geographical location outside Assam (in USA or elsewhere) does not
>>confer the right to make un-parliamentary
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>>comments on the people in Assam.
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>>These are sensitive issues.
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>>I am a recent addition to the group.
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>>I have served for many years in the Army and now in an Indian corporate.
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>>Having he advantage to experienced the best traditions of our culture
>>and a mix of British culture,
> >
>>I could suggest that views and opinions need not "hurt" anyone. Please
>>show tolerance.
>>
>>If we follow that in the Friends of Assam, we will remain friends.
>>
>>
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>>I request both parties to cool off.
>>
>>There is too much heat at the moment.
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>>Regards,
>>
>>Col Hemen N Choudhary
>>
>>W Sea Face
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>>Mumbai
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>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: assam-bounces at assamnet.org [mailto:assam-bounces at assamnet.org] On
>>Behalf Of Rajen Barua
>>Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 6:51 PM
>>To: assamnet
>>Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
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>>Why would Mr Wahid confront anybody?
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>>What Prof Amalendu Gauha wrote about 'Ha-Sam' was not based on his own
>>research work. He simply borrowed the writing from Mr Baden Powell even
>>without quoting Mr Powell. I also wrote about the word 'Ha-Sam' in my
>>article but I quoted Mr Baden Powell. Also Prof Guha was writing based
>>on his communistic outlook, not much as history of the word Assam.
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>>Let people read Mr. Wahid's writings and confront him if they have any
>>problem.
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>>Rajen Barua
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>>> Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:03:37 -0500
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>>> From: kjit.deka at gmail.com
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> >> To: assam at assamnet.org
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>>> Subject: [Assam] About the name Assam
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>>>
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>>> I am wondering what prevents Mr.Saleh from confronting people like
>>
>>> Prof.Priyam Goswami of Gauhati University or Prof.Amalendu Guha with
>>his
>>
>>> newly-found Dutch document which will certainly make them
>>laughter-evoking
>>
>>> buffoons for being so ignorant about Assam's history ?
>>
>>> KJD
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>>Message: 2
>>Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:24:16 -0500
>>From: Ram Sarangapani <assamrs at gmail.com>
>>Subject: [Assam] Of Wearing Suits and their Side-effects - Kalyan
>> Dutta-Choudhury, The Sentinel
>>To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
>> world <assam at assamnet.org>
>>Message-ID:
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>>Netters,
>>
>>Kalyan da writes well, and I kind of like this piece. Reminds me of Gandhi,
>>"Imitating the English Gentleman" which we had at high school, where Gandhi
>>declares
>>"And Mr. Bell rang the bell of Alarm in my ears, and I awoke" after he felt
>>guilty asking money from back home for his elocution and music lessons in
>>London.
>>
>>"The head tailor there was called masterji. When he was called, he showed up
>>at the front desk with a measuring tape coolly around his neck and the two
>>ends of it dangling. He talked sparingly because he knew his business. Any
>>professional person who talks to his or her clients doesn?t know his or her
>>profession." - K DC
>>
>>This is just precious. I remember going for my first job interview at
>>Guwahati.. Didn't have a suit, so I borrowed a jacket from a friend - similar
>>shade. But the jacket was a size smaller. So, I used the next best option -
>>slung the jacket over my shoulders - to look hip, and make it look like it
>>was my suit.
>>
>>--Ram
>>_______________
>>
>>*Kalyan Dutta-Choudhury
>>
>>*A television programme showed men?s suits selling for upwards of, get this
>>incredible story, forty three thousand dollars. No, the suits weren?t made
>>of gold or titanium or any other precious metal. They were regular woollen
>>suits but the wool came from some animals grazing in some kind of grass
>>which grew in cool highlands of South America. The interviewer sported a
>>high-priced suit of that kind of lineage but he didn?t look any different
>>than when he was wearing his regular suit of approximately of same colour
>>and texture. But that?s purely my judgement.
>>Then, what is the hype about paying forty three thousand dollars for a suit?
> >That lies in the psychology of buying at one end, and selling at the other
>>end, of the business enterprise. The buyer may be a craven soul like Barney
>>Madeoff who made his money by bilking others, but how the seller, in right
>>conscientiousness, could sell the high-priced suits? They are made of the
>>same mould. They feed off each other?s depravity.
>>A relative of ours went to France, of many other places, for a visit to see
>>how things were different up there.. It seemed he made lots of money. Who
>>doesn?t make money in Assam? Only fools don?t. Looking around in Paris, he
>>found a tailoring shop which made suits. Asking for the price of a suit, he
>>was shocked to learn the price of suits ? way too high. With that kind of
>>money, he quickly calculated using his handy pocket calculator: ??I could
>>make two pairs of suits with heavier clothing at Mohini?s in Guwahati.??
>>That?s what he did. The suits were a bit ill-fitting and out of style. But
>>who cares about good fit and style in the non-suit domain like Guwahati!
>>It?s the quality of clothing that matters.
>>In the late 50s and early 60s, there was a veritable mania of wearing suits
>>to look cool. All kinds of grants and scholarships made that possible. If
> >you were a student at Assam Engineering College in those heady ?engineering?
>>days, and you the poor soul didn?t have a nice pair to wear to go to Gauhati
>>in the evenings, you were so out of style and time.
>>So where did the students go to get their suits made? Where else but
>>Mohini?s in Fancy Bazar? The head tailor there was called masterji. When he
>>was called, he showed up at the front desk with a measuring tape coolly
>>around his neck and the two ends of it dangling. He talked sparingly because
>>he knew his business. Any professional person who talks to his or her
>>clients doesn?t know his or her profession. Did you ever talk with your
>>doctor? He will shut you up any time you open your mouth to say something
>>important to him ? something vitally important.
>>Anyway, the culture of wearing a good pair of suits migrated down to those
>>aspiring to be future engineers too. Such an aspiring soul came to board in
>>our DS hostel. In a short time, he discarded his white pajamas, blue shirts
>>and sandals and began wearing alternating between a light-blue suit and a
>>dark-brown suit with appropriately matching shoes whenever he went out,
>>which was often. When you wear a suit, you don?t sit in your room and study
>>like so many fools! You go out with other suit-wearers. When you?re out with
>>suit-wearers, you go for a long walk up and down through busy thoroughfares
>>stopping at stores and buying odd little things showing off what a cool guy
>>you were. If there were womenfolk in the stores, it was moksha! There were
>>women. But they had more sense. They won?t tango with them.
>>One evening, the student?s father showed up at the hostel enquiring about
>>his son. But the son wasn?t there for hours, perhaps gallivanting in the
>>city street. After hours passed, I came out of my room and asked the man if
>>I could take a message for his son. ??No, that won?t be necessary... I?m
>>financially ruined. I can?t keep up with his demands. Every so often he
>>would come home and tell his mother he needed money. Lots of them. He needs
>>to buy suits, shirts and shoes to prepare himself to be an good engineer.
>>I?m just a railway clerk at Maligaon... How would I know how engineers are
>>made??? said the haggard man wisping in Bengali.
>>It was the most pathetic and most depraved story I had the misfortune ever
>>came to hear. If I had a hidden desire to buy a pair of nice suits, it
>>instantly vanished for a few years at least. I came to the US wearing a suit
>>but I discarded that in favour of blue jeans and T-shirts. If I care to
>>look, the suit might be still there somewhere in the house. But for what
>>should I do that? I?m a non-suit man heart and soul.
>>(The writer is settled at Berkeley, California)
>>
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>>Message: 3
>>Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:32:18 -0500
>>From: kamal deka <kjit.deka at gmail.com>
>>Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
> >To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
>> world <assam at assamnet.org>
>>Message-ID:
>> <7b43066c0903161532y7515bd76n4b059052c9805229 at mail.gmail.com>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>>Why?He was the one who is complining about their ignorance.
>>
>>On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 8:21 AM, Rajen Barua <barua25 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Why would Mr Wahid confront anybody?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What Prof Amalendu Gauha wrote about 'Ha-Sam' was not based on his own
>>> research work. He simply borrowed the writing from Mr Baden Powell even
>>> without quoting Mr Powell. I also wrote about the word 'Ha-Sam' in my
>>> article but I quoted Mr Baden Powell. Also Prof Guha was writing based on
>>> his communistic outlook, not much as history of the word Assam.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There are many ignorant educated people in Assam. There are again some
>>> educated intellectuals with different agendas.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Let people read Mr. Wahid's writings and confront him if they have any
>>> problem.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rajen Barua
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> > Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:03:37 -0500
>>> > From: kjit.deka at gmail.com
>>> > To: assam at assamnet.org
>>> > Subject: [Assam] About the name Assam
> >> >
>>> > I am wondering what prevents Mr.Saleh from confronting people like
>>> > Prof.Priyam Goswami of Gauhati University or Prof.Amalendu Guha with his
>>> > newly-found Dutch document which will certainly make them
>>> laughter-evoking
>>> > buffoons for being so ignorant about Assam's history ?
>>> > KJD
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > assam mailing list
>>> > assam at assamnet.org
>>> > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> assam mailing list
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>>Message: 4
>>Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:40:53 -0500
>>From: kamal deka <kjit.deka at gmail.com>
>>Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
>>To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
>> world <assam at assamnet.org>
>>Message-ID:
>> <7b43066c0903161540w77182f79ic7ddde0451584e6b at mail.gmail.com>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>>Did you read his mail? Very self-explanatory.
>>
>>On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 9:31 PM, Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:
>>
>>> *** Wahid kokaideu does not have to go looking for Priyom Goswami or
>>> Omolendu Guho for a confrontation. He has presented his findings. If
>>someone
>>> has a problem with it, they can very well
>>> confront him, seek proof or rebut it or whatever.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> At 3:03 PM -0500 3/15/09, kamal deka wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am wondering what prevents Mr.Saleh from confronting people like
>>>> Prof.Priyam Goswami of Gauhati University or Prof.Amalendu Guha with his
>>>> newly-found Dutch document which will certainly make them
>>laughter-evoking
>>>> buffoons for being so ignorant about Assam's history ?
>>>> KJD
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> assam mailing list
>>>> assam at assamnet.org
>> >> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
>>>>
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>>Message: 5
>>Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:46:33 -0500
>>From: kamal deka <kjit.deka at gmail.com>
>>Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
>>To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
>> world <assam at assamnet.org>
>>Message-ID:
>> <7b43066c0903161546pa713174q41f2bc298fc85ccc at mail.gmail.com>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-13
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>>According to historian Satyendra Nath Sarma, [*Sarma, Satyendra Nath (1976)
>>"Assamese Literature", Harrassowitz, Wiesbaden.*]
>>
>>While the Shan invaders called themselves Tai, they came to be referred to
>>as "?s?m", "?sam" and sometimes as "Acam" by the indigenous people of the
>>country. The modern Assamese word "?hom" by which the Tai people are known
> >is derived from "?s?m" or "?sam". The epithet applied to the Shan conquerors
>>was subsequently transferred to the country over which they ruled and thus
>>the name K?mar?pa was replaced by ?s?m, which ultimately took the
>>Sanskritized form "Asama", meaning "unequalled, peerless or uneven"
>>[*Banikanta
>>Kakati: "Assamese: Its Formation and Development", p2*]
>>
>>
>>On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Dilip and Dil Deka
>><dilipdeka at yahoo.com>wrote:
>>
>>> The debaters on this subject are looking at only two facets - the Tai-Ahom
>>> connection and the possible Sanskritization. There is a third one to look
>>> at. The Bodo-Kacharis have been in Assam longer than anyone else and their
>>> people are spread all over Assam.
>>> What did they call the land? Many rivers in Assam still have their Bodo
>>> names.
>>> What did they call the Tais who came to Assam in the 13th century?
>>> Is there "xo" sound in Bodo language?
>>> It is very possible that some words in Bodo were at the root of "Oxom",
>>> "Assam", "Asom" or whatever else. Please do not throw away Dr. A. Guha or
>>> Baden Powell(is that the name?) yet.
>>>
>>> I don't know a word of Bodo language. Could someone who knows Bodo comment
>>> on the above?
> >> I did go to the website http://www.bodoland.org/language1.htm and found
>>> some interesting words but not much that would help the debate.
>>> Dilip Deka
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Rajen Barua <barua25 at hotmail.com>
>>> To: assamnet <assam at assamnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 8:21:13 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Why would Mr Wahid confront anybody?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What Prof Amalendu Gauha wrote about 'Ha-Sam' was not based on his own
>>> research work. He simply borrowed the writing from Mr Baden Powell even
>>> without quoting Mr Powell. I also wrote about the word 'Ha-Sam' in my
>>> article but I quoted Mr Baden Powell. Also Prof Guha was writing based on
>>> his communistic outlook, not much as history of the word Assam.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There are many ignorant educated people in Assam. There are again some
>>> educated intellectuals with different agendas.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Let people read Mr. Wahid's writings and confront him if they have any
>>> problem.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rajen Barua
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:03:37 -0500
>>> > From: kjit.deka at gmail.com
>>> > To: assam at assamnet.org
>>> > Subject: [Assam] About the name Assam
>>> >
>>> > I am wondering what prevents Mr.Saleh from confronting people like
>>> > Prof.Priyam Goswami of Gauhati University or Prof..Amalendu
>>>Guha with his
>>> > newly-found Dutch document which will certainly make them
>>> laughter-evoking
>>> > buffoons for being so ignorant about Assam's history ?
>>> > KJD
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > assam mailing list
>>> > assam at assamnet.org
>>> > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> assam mailing list
>>> assam at assamnet.org
>>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> assam at assamnet.org
>>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
>>>
>>
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Message: 6
>>Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 18:22:57 -0500
>>From: Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net>
>>Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
>>To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
>> world <assam at assamnet.org>
>>Message-ID: <a06240801c5e48f2413b2@[192.168.0.197]>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed"
>>
>>Does S N Sarma refer to any proof or is it a
>>conjecture? And at what time frame did the name
>>Asam came to be the defining name of the kingdom?
>>Will it be reasonable to surmise that it was much
>>before the British came?
>>
>>The Sanskritized form is a pure and unadulterated conjecture of modern
>>times.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>At 5:46 PM -0500 3/16/09, kamal deka wrote:
>>>According to historian Satyendra Nath Sarma, [*Sarma, Satyendra Nath (1976)
> >>"Assamese Literature", Harrassowitz, Wiesbaden.*]
>>>
>>>While the Shan invaders called themselves Tai, they came to be referred to
>>>as "?s?m", "?sam" and sometimes as "Acam" by the indigenous people of the
>>>country. The modern Assamese word "?hom" by which the Tai people are known
>>>is derived from "?s?m" or "?sam". The epithet applied to the Shan
>>conquerors
>>>was subsequently transferred to the country over which they ruled and thus
>>>the name K?mar?pa was replaced by ?s?m, which ultimately took the
>>>Sanskritized form "Asama", meaning "unequalled,
>>>peerless or uneven" [*Banikanta
>>>Kakati: "Assamese: Its Formation and Development", p2*]
>>>
>>>
>>>On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Dilip and Dil
>>>Deka <dilipdeka at yahoo.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> The debaters on this subject are looking at only two facets - the
>>Tai-Ahom
>>>> connection and the possible Sanskritization. There is a third one to
>>look
>>>> at. The Bodo-Kacharis have been in Assam longer than anyone else and
>>their
>>>> people are spread all over Assam.
>>>> What did they call the land? Many rivers in Assam still have their Bodo
>>>> names.
>>>> What did they call the Tais who came to Assam in the 13th century?
>>>> Is there "xo" sound in Bodo language?
> >>> It is very possible that some words in Bodo were at the root of "Oxom",
>>>> "Assam", "Asom" or whatever else. Please do not throw away Dr. A. Guha
>>or
>>>> Baden Powell(is that the name?) yet.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know a word of Bodo language. Could someone who knows Bodo
>>comment
>>>> on the above?
>>>> I did go to the website http://www.bodoland.org/language1.htm and found
>>>> some interesting words but not much that would help the debate.
>>>> Dilip Deka
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: Rajen Barua <barua25 at hotmail.com>
>>>> To: assamnet <assam at assamnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 8:21:13 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why would Mr Wahid confront anybody?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What Prof Amalendu Gauha wrote about 'Ha-Sam' was not based on his own
>>>> research work. He simply borrowed the writing from Mr Baden Powell even
>>>> without quoting Mr Powell. I also wrote about the word 'Ha-Sam' in my
>>>> article but I quoted Mr Baden Powell. Also Prof Guha was writing based
>>on
>>>> his communistic outlook, not much as history of the word Assam.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There are many ignorant educated people in Assam. There are again some
>>>> educated intellectuals with different agendas.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Let people read Mr. Wahid's writings and confront him if they have any
>>>> problem.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rajen Barua
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:03:37 -0500
>>>> > From: kjit.deka at gmail.com
>>>> > To: assam at assamnet.org
>>>> > Subject: [Assam] About the name Assam
>>>> >
>>>> > I am wondering what prevents Mr.Saleh from confronting people like
>>>> > Prof.Priyam Goswami of Gauhati University or Prof.Amalendu Guha with
>>his
>>>> > newly-found Dutch document which will certainly make them
>>>> laughter-evoking
>>>> > buffoons for being so ignorant about Assam's history ?
>>>> > KJD
>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>> > assam mailing list
>>>> > assam at assamnet.org
>>>> > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> assam mailing list
>>>> assam at assamnet.org
>> >> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> assam mailing list
>>>> assam at assamnet.org
>>>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
>>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
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>>>assam at assamnet.org
>>>http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
>>
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Message: 7
>>Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:54:43 -0500
>>From: "Rajen & Ajanta Barua" <barua25 at hotmail.com>
>>Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
>>To: "A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
>> world" <assam at assamnet.org>
>>Message-ID: <BLU104-DS7C413BFDCE6E3BC440122AD980 at phx.gbl>
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>>Dear Choudhury:
>>Since you are new to the Assam net, please know that in this net we discuss
>>and debate all kinds of intelligent intellectual issues.
>>Please don't take anything personally in assam net. Here we do friendly
>>intellectual hot debates all the time. Kamal, me, Ramgopal, Dilip, Chandan,
>>Wahid and many others are friends, and actually many of us live in same city
>>Houston as friends. But in hot issues we do heated debates and try to thrash
>>out truths for the sake of the community. We understand that sometime the
>>truths hurt.
>>
>>When Kamal wrote us as 'neophyte historians' we do not take it personally.
>>
>>When I wrote, "There are many ignorant educated people in Assam."
>>Or " There are again some educated intellectuals with different agendas."
>>
>>It is same as the statement "There are many educated corrupt people in
>>Assam".
>>I am sure that statement would not mean that all the people of Assam are
>>corrupt by any stretch of imagination. On the other hand if I make this
>>statement, many will support me.
>>These do not anyway mean that we are blaming all the people of Assam. Nor
>>does it mean that people living outside Assam are superior or better. Many
> >from Assam take part here. We never write thinking the people of Assam as
>>different from us.
>>I wrote I wrote in similar vein.
>>I am sorry if I somehow hurt yours or anybody's feeling. But frankly
>>speaking that is the flavor and beauty of Assam net.
>>The net is doing a great service to the Assamese community for many many
>>years now..
>>I also want to clarify that this is not Friends of Assam net which is
>>different. You may be confused for some reason.
>>Regards
>>
>>Rajen Barua
>>
>>
>>From: Choudhary, H. N. - AMW - MUM
>>Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:29 AM
>>To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world
>>Cc: rc2559 at columbia.edu
>>Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
>>
>>
>>Dear All,
>>
>>
>>
>>Having read the mails and communications on the subject "about the name
>>of Assam",
>>
>>I feel that the debate on the subject has become acrimonious and
>>somewhat personal.
>>
>>No one can clam fame to become a historian overnight by writing an
>>article on a historical topic. It is also not appropriate to call them
>>"neophyte historians" as they may not deserve the accolade.
>>
>>
>>
>>If I have to give my comments on the following remarks:
>>
>>"There are many ignorant educated people in Assam. There are again some
>>educated intellectuals with different agendas."
>>
>>
>>
>>-- I will like to reserve my comments.
>>
>>
>>
>>Please exercise restraint and caution on commenting poorly on the whole
>>of Assam or Assamese people.
>>
>>Your geographical location outside Assam (in USA or elsewhere) does not
>>confer the right to make un-parliamentary
>>
>>comments on the people in Assam.
>>
>>These are sensitive issues.
>>
>>
>>
>>I am a recent addition to the group.
>>
>>I have served for many years in the Army and now in an Indian corporate.
>>
>>
>>Having he advantage to experienced the best traditions of our culture
>>and a mix of British culture,
>>
>>I could suggest that views and opinions need not "hurt" anyone. Please
>>show tolerance.
>>
>>If we follow that in the Friends of Assam, we will remain friends.
>>
>>
>>
>>I request both parties to cool off.
>>
>>There is too much heat at the moment.
>>
>>
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Col Hemen N Choudhary
>>
>>W Sea Face
>>
>>Mumbai
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: assam-bounces at assamnet.org [mailto:assam-bounces at assamnet.org] On
>>Behalf Of Rajen Barua
>>Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 6:51 PM
>>To: assamnet
>>Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Why would Mr Wahid confront anybody?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>What Prof Amalendu Gauha wrote about 'Ha-Sam' was not based on his own
>>research work. He simply borrowed the writing from Mr Baden Powell even
>>without quoting Mr Powell. I also wrote about the word 'Ha-Sam' in my
>>article but I quoted Mr Baden Powell. Also Prof Guha was writing based
>>on his communistic outlook, not much as history of the word Assam.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>There are
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> >
>>Let people read Mr. Wahid's writings and confront him if they have any
>>problem.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Rajen Barua
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:03:37 -0500
>>
>>> From: kjit.deka at gmail.com
>>
>>> To: assam at assamnet.org
>>
>>> Subject: [Assam] About the name Assam
>>
>>>
>>
>>> I am wondering what prevents Mr.Saleh from confronting people like
>>
>>> Prof.Priyam Goswami of Gauhati University or Prof.Amalendu Guha with
>>his
>>
>>> newly-found Dutch document which will certainly make them
>>laughter-evoking
>>
>>> buffoons for being so ignorant about Assam's history ?
>>
>>> KJD
>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>
>>> assam mailing list
>>
>>> assam at assamnet.org
>>
>>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>
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>>
>>assam at assamnet.org
>>
>>http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>Message: 8
>>Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:04:05 -0500
>>From: "Rajen & Ajanta Barua" <barua25 at hotmail.com>
> >Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
>>To: "A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
>> world" <assam at assamnet.org>
>>Message-ID: <BLU104-DS25A6D9ADC864C80E6C489AD980 at phx.gbl>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-13"
>>
>>That is exactly what I wrote in my article with more elaboration of the word
>>"Acam". I however don't buy the last statement of Banikanta Kakopty',
>>"which ultimately took the Sanskritized form "Asama", meaning "unequalled,
>>peerless or uneven" [*Banikanta Kakati: "Assamese: Its Formation and
>>Development", p2*]"
>>
>>Where this Sanskrit came from?
>>
>>Bottomline, the word ASSAM does not have any vestiges of colonial rule.
>>
>>The words OXOM and AHOM came from the Assamese word ACAM
>>
>>I am not writing anything new. People simply need to read history books and
>>find out the truth.
>>
>>It is a myth that ASSAM word is derived from OXOM.
>>
>>Rajen Barua
>>
>>
>>From: kamal deka
>>Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 5:46 PM
>>To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world
>>Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
>>
>>
>>According to historian Satyendra Nath Sarma, [*Sarma, Satyendra Nath (1976)
>>"Assamese Literature", Harrassowitz, Wiesbaden.*]
>>
>>While the Shan invaders called themselves Tai, they came to be referred to
>>as "?s?m", "?sam" and sometimes as "Acam" by the indigenous people of the
>>country. The modern Assamese word "?hom" by which the Tai people are known
>>is derived from "?s?m" or "?sam". The epithet applied to the Shan conquerors
>>was subsequently transferred to the country over which they ruled and thus
>>the name K?mar?pa was replaced by ?s?m, which ultimately took the
>>Sanskritized form "Asama", meaning "unequalled, peerless or uneven"
>>[*Banikanta
>>Kakati: "Assamese: Its Formation and Development", p2*]
>>
>>
>>On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Dilip and Dil Deka
>><dilipdeka at yahoo.com>wrote:
>>
>>> The debaters on this subject are looking at only two facets - the Tai-Ahom
>>> connection and the possible Sanskritization. There is a third one to look
>>> at. The Bodo-Kacharis have been in Assam longer than anyone else and their
>>> people are spread all over Assam.
>>> What did they call the land? Many rivers in Assam still have their Bodo
>>> names.
>>> What did they call the Tais who came to Assam in the 13th century?
>>> Is there "xo" sound in Bodo language?
>>> It is very possible that some words in Bodo were at the root of "Oxom",
>> > "Assam", "Asom" or whatever else. Please do not throw away Dr. A. Guha or
>>> Baden Powell(is that the name?) yet.
>>>
>>> I don't know a word of Bodo language. Could someone who knows Bodo comment
>>> on the above?
>>> I did go to the website http://www.bodoland.org/language1.htm and found
>>> some interesting words but not much that would help the debate.
>>> Dilip Deka
>>>
> >>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Rajen Barua <barua25 at hotmail.com>
>>> To: assamnet <assam at assamnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 8:21:13 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Why would Mr Wahid confront anybody?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What Prof Amalendu Gauha wrote about 'Ha-Sam' was not based on his own
>>> research work. He simply borrowed the writing from Mr Baden Powell even
>>> without quoting Mr Powell. I also wrote about the word 'Ha-Sam' in my
>>> article but I quoted Mr Baden Powell. Also Prof Guha was writing based on
>>> his communistic outlook, not much as history of the word Assam.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There are many ignorant educated people in Assam. There are again some
>>> educated intellectuals with different agendas.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Let people read Mr. Wahid's writings and confront him if they have any
>>> problem.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rajen Barua
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:03:37 -0500
>> > > From: kjit.deka at gmail.com
>>> > To: assam at assamnet.org
>>> > Subject: [Assam] About the name Assam
>>> >
>>> > I am wondering what prevents Mr..Saleh from confronting people like
>>> > Prof.Priyam Goswami of Gauhati University or Prof.Amalendu Guha with his
>>> > newly-found Dutch document which will certainly make them
> >> laughter-evoking
>>> > buffoons for being so ignorant about Assam's history ?
>>> > KJD
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > assam mailing list
>>> > assam at assamnet.org
>>> > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> assam mailing list
>>> assam at assamnet.org
>>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> assam mailing list
>>> assam at assamnet.org
>>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
>>>
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>>http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
>>
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Message: 9
>>Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:37:36 -0500
>>From: "Rajen & Ajanta Barua" <barua25 at hotmail.com>
>>Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
>>To: "A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
>> world" <assam at assamnet.org>
>>Message-ID: <BLU104-DS2A75BE0FC0A139348BB75AD980 at phx.gbl>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>>Bodo is a Tibeto-Burman language. So far I know no Tibeto Burman language
>>has the XO sound which is an Indo-European sound.
>>The Bodo might have taken some Assamese words and might now pronounce the XO
>>sound. This I donot know for sure. The Bodos were in Assam for about 3000
>>years.
>>
>>I have a small book, written in Assamese titled "Boro Bhaxa Xikhya" by Mr
>>Sanokyo Brohmo.
>>The book does tell how to pronounce the Assamese letters, that is XO as SO
>>or XO?.
>>
>>Mr Baden Powel claims that the Bodo has the word "Ha-com" which mean low or
>>level land. He states, " The name Assam is most probably traceable to the
>>Boro 'Ha-Com' which mean low or level country. The Boro word for water (di)
>>has remained in the names of the rivers e.g. Dihong etc". "The Indian
>>Village Community" by Baden Powel (page 135).
>>
>>I could not find the any Boro word 'Ha-Com' in the above book. However the
>>book has the word Ha which mean land. There is also a word 'Com' (that is
>>Som) which mean time. So we donot get anywhere. Even if we take Baden
>>Powel's word, it again simply mean that Acam or Asam word is a local
>>Assamese word and that it is earlier than Oxom. It also mean that Acam/Asam
>>or Assam is not an anglicised word.
>>
>>Note, we will have to take the outside historians of Assam with a grain of
>>salt because the same Baden Powel wrote in the same book the following
>>statement>
>>"The local dialect, Assamese, is a comparatively recent modification of
>>Bengali"
>>This how much this famous historian knows about Assam and the Assamese.
>>
>>After reading Gait and many other history books on Assam, I find one
>>Assamese historian who wrote a really good autentic history of Assam. He is
> >P.C. Choudhury (The Histroy of the Civilisation of the People of Assam).
>>Anybody who wants to know about the past history of Assam should read it.
>>
>>For our cultural past, one should read Dimbeswar Neog.
>>
>>Rajen Barua
>>
>>From: Dilip and Dil Deka
>>Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 10:57 AM
>>To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world
>>Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
>>
>>
>>The debaters on this subject are looking at only two facets - the Tai-Ahom
>>connection and the possible Sanskritization. There is a third one to look
>>at. The Bodo-Kacharis have been in Assam longer than anyone else and their
>>people are spread all over Assam.
>>What did they call the land? Many rivers in Assam still have their Bodo
>>names.
>>What did they call the Tais who came to Assam in the 13th century?
>>Is there "xo" sound in Bodo language?
>>It is very possible that some words in Bodo were at the root of "Oxom",
>>"Assam", "Asom" or whatever else. Please do not throw away Dr. A. Guha or
>>Baden Powell(is that the name?) yet.
>>
>>I don't know a word of Bodo language. Could someone who knows Bodo comment
>>on the above?
>>I did go to the website http://www.bodoland.org/language1.htm and found some
>>interesting words but not much that would help the debate.
>>Dilip Deka
> >
>>
>>
>>
>>________________________________
>>From: Rajen Barua <barua25 at hotmail.com>
>>To: assamnet <assam at assamnet.org>
>>Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 8:21:13 AM
>>Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
>>
>>
>>
>>Why would Mr Wahid confront anybody?
>>
>>
>>
>>What Prof Amalendu Gauha wrote about 'Ha-Sam' was not based on his own
>>research work. He simply borrowed the writing from Mr Baden Powell even
>>without quoting Mr Powell. I also wrote about the word 'Ha-Sam' in my
>>article but I quoted Mr Baden Powell. Also Prof Guha was writing based on
>>his communistic outlook, not much as history of the word Assam.
>>
>>
>>
>>There are many ignorant educated people in Assam. There are again some
>>educated intellectuals with different agendas.
>>
>>
>>
>>Let people read Mr. Wahid's writings and confront him if they have any
>>problem.
>>
>>
>>
>>Rajen Barua
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:03:37 -0500
>>> From: kjit..deka at gmail.com
>>> To: assam at assamnet.org
>>> Subject: [Assam] About the name Assam
>>>
>>> I am wondering what prevents Mr.Saleh from confronting people like
>>> Prof.Priyam Goswami of Gauhati University or Prof.Amalendu Guha with his
>>> newly-found Dutch document which will certainly make them laughter-evoking
>>> buffoons for being so ignorant about Assam's history ?
>>> KJD
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> assam mailing list
>>> assam at assamnet.org
>>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
>>_______________________________________________
>>assam mailing list
>>assam at assamnet.org
>>http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
>>_______________________________________________
>>assam mailing list
>>assam at assamnet.org
>>http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
>>
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Message: 10
>>Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 22:31:03 -0500
>>From: kamal deka <kjit.deka at gmail.com>
>>Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
>>To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
>> world <assam at assamnet.org>
>>Message-ID:
>> <7b43066c0903162031i3398f79chb4aff0de6b0a7870 at mail.gmail.com>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>>I do agree
>>
>>On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Rajen & Ajanta Barua
>><barua25 at hotmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Choudhury:
>>> Since you are new to the Assam net, please know that in this net we
>>discuss
>>> and debate all kinds of intelligent intellectual issues.
>>> Please don't take anything personally in assam net. Here we do friendly
>>> intellectual hot debates all the time. Kamal, me, Ramgopal, Dilip,
>>Chandan,
>>> Wahid and many others are friends, and actually many of us live in same
>>city
>>> Houston as friends. But in hot issues we do heated debates and try to
>>thrash
>> > out truths for the sake of the community. We understand that sometime the
> >> truths hurt.
>>>
>>> When Kamal wrote us as 'neophyte historians' we do not take it personally.
>>>
>>> When I wrote, "There are many ignorant educated people in Assam."
>>> Or " There are again some educated intellectuals with different agendas."
>>>
>>> It is same as the statement "There are many educated corrupt people in
>>> Assam".
>>> I am sure that statement would not mean that all the people of Assam are
>>> corrupt by any stretch of imagination. On the other hand if I make this
>>> statement, many will support me.
>>> These do not anyway mean that we are blaming all the people of Assam. Nor
>>> does it mean that people living outside Assam are superior or better. Many
>>> from Assam take part here. We never write thinking the people of Assam as
>>> different from us.
>>> I wrote I wrote in similar vein.
>>> I am sorry if I somehow hurt yours or anybody's feeling. But frankly
>>> speaking that is the flavor and beauty of Assam net.
>>> The net is doing a great service to the Assamese community for many many
>>> years now.
>>> I also want to clarify that this is not Friends of Assam net which is
>>> different. You may be confused for some reason.
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Rajen Barua
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Choudhary, H. N. - AMW - MUM
>>> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:29 AM
> >> To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world
>> > Cc: rc2559 at columbia.edu
>>> Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear All,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Having read the mails and communications on the subject "about the name
>>> of Assam",
>>>
>>> I feel that the debate on the subject has become acrimonious and
>>> somewhat personal.
>>>
>>> No one can clam fame to become a historian overnight by writing an
>>> article on a historical topic. It is also not appropriate to call them
>>> "neophyte historians" as they may not deserve the accolade.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If I have to give my comments on the following remarks:
>>>
>>> "There are many ignorant educated people in Assam. There are again some
>>> educated intellectuals with different agendas."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- I will like to reserve my comments.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Please exercise restraint and caution on commenting poorly on the whole
>>> of Assam or Assamese people.
>>>
>>> Your geographical location outside Assam (in USA or elsewhere) does not
>>> confer the right to make un-parliamentary
>>>
>>> comments on the people in Assam.
>>>
>>> These are sensitive issues.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am a recent addition to the group.
>>>
>>> I have served for many years in the Army and now in an Indian corporate.
>>>
>>>
>>> Having he advantage to experienced the best traditions of our culture
>>> and a mix of British culture,
>>>
>>> I could suggest that views and opinions need not "hurt" anyone. Please
>>> show tolerance.
>>>
>>> If we follow that in the Friends of Assam, we will remain friends.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I request both parties to cool off..
>>>
>>> There is too much heat at the moment.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Col Hemen N Choudhary
>>>
>>> W Sea Face
>>>
>>> Mumbai
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: assam-bounces at assamnet.org [mailto:assam-bounces at assamnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Rajen Barua
>>> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 6:51 PM
>>> To: assamnet
>>> Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Why would Mr Wahid confront anybody?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What Prof Amalendu Gauha wrote about 'Ha-Sam' was not based on his own
>>> research work. He simply borrowed the writing from Mr Baden Powell even
>>> without quoting Mr Powell. I also wrote about the word 'Ha-Sam' in my
>>> article but I quoted Mr Baden Powell. Also Prof Guha was writing based
>>> on his communistic outlook, not much as history of the word Assam.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There are
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Let people read Mr. Wahid's writings and confront him if they have any
>>> problem.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rajen Barua
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:03:37 -0500
>>>
>>> > From: kjit.deka at gmail.com
>>>
>>> > To: assam at assamnet.org
>>>
>>> > Subject: [Assam] About the name Assam
> >>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > I am wondering what prevents Mr.Saleh from confronting people like
>>>
>>> > Prof.Priyam Goswami of Gauhati University or Prof.Amalendu Guha with
>> > his
>>>
>>> > newly-found Dutch document which will certainly make them
>>> laughter-evoking
>>>
>>> > buffoons for being so ignorant about Assam's history ?
>>>
>>> > KJD
>>>
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>>>
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>>Message: 11
>>Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 22:54:19 -0500
>>From: kamal deka <kjit.deka at gmail.com>
>>Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
>>To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
> > world <assam at assamnet.org>
>>Message-ID:
>> <7b43066c0903162054s1cf4f395wc7673fbdc0945fb8 at mail.gmail.com>
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>>
>>I have been given to understand that even the British could not pronounce
>>the XO sound.The names of many tea-gardens in Assam are spelled as HO rather
>>than XO.There is a tea-garden close to Tinsukia named HUKANPUKHURI instead
>>of XUKANPUKHURI.A passing remark only.
>>By the way,have you read the book published by Lawyer's Book Stall recently
>>which was translated from French into English ? The book is related to
>>a diary of a French traveller.In that translated book,the name of our
>>state is written as ASEM.
>>KJD
>>
>>On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Rajen & Ajanta Barua
>><barua25 at hotmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Bodo is a Tibeto-Burman language. So far I know no Tibeto Burman language
>>> has the XO sound which is an Indo-European sound.
>>> The Bodo might have taken some Assamese words and might now pronounce the
>>> XO sound. This I donot know for sure. The Bodos were in Assam for about
>>3000
>>> years.
>>>
>>> I have a small book, written in Assamese titled "Boro Bhaxa Xikhya" by Mr
>>> Sanokyo Brohmo.
>>> The book does tell how to pronounce the Assamese letters, that is XO as SO
>>> or XO?.
>>>
>>> Mr Baden Powel claims that the Bodo has the word "Ha-com" which mean low
>>or
>>> level land. He states, " The name Assam is most probably traceable to the
>>> Boro 'Ha-Com' which mean low or level country. The Boro word for water
>>(di)
>>> has remained in the names of the rivers e.g. Dihong etc". "The Indian
>>> Village Community" by Baden Powel (page 135).
>>>
>>> I could not find the any Boro word 'Ha-Com' in the above book. However the
>>> book has the word Ha which mean land. There is also a word 'Com' (that is
>>> Som) which mean time. So we donot get anywhere. Even if we take Baden
>>> Powel's word, it again simply mean that Acam or Asam word is a local
>>> Assamese word and that it is earlier than Oxom. It also mean that
>>Acam/Asam
>>> or Assam is not an anglicised word.
>>>
>>> Note, we will have to take the outside historians of Assam with a grain of
>>> salt because the same Baden Powel wrote in the same book the following
>>> statement>
>>> "The local dialect, Assamese, is a comparatively recent modification of
>>> Bengali"
>>> This how much this famous historian knows about Assam and the Assamese.
>>>
>>> After reading Gait and many other history books on Assam, I find one
>>> Assamese historian who wrote a really good autentic history of Assam. He
>>is
>>> P.C. Choudhury (The Histroy of the Civilisation of the People of Assam).
>>> Anybody who wants to know about the past history of Assam should read it.
>>>
>>> For our cultural past, one should read Dimbeswar Neog.
>>>
>>> Rajen Barua
> >>
>>> From: Dilip and Dil Deka
>>> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 10:57 AM
>>> To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the world
>>> Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
>>>
>>>
>>> The debaters on this subject are looking at only two facets - the Tai-Ahom
>>> connection and the possible Sanskritization. There is a third one to look
>> > at. The Bodo-Kacharis have been in Assam longer than anyone
>>else and their
>>> people are spread all over Assam.
>>> What did they call the land? Many rivers in Assam still have their Bodo
>>> names.
>>> What did they call the Tais who came to Assam in the 13th century?
>>> Is there "xo" sound in Bodo language?
>>> It is very possible that some words in Bodo were at the root of "Oxom",
>>> "Assam", "Asom" or whatever else. Please do not throw away Dr. A. Guha or
>>> Baden Powell(is that the name?) yet.
>>>
>>> I don't know a word of Bodo language. Could someone who knows Bodo comment
>>> on the above?
>>> I did go to the website http://www.bodoland.org/language1.htm and found
>>> some interesting words but not much that would help the debate.
>>> Dilip Deka
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Rajen Barua <barua25 at hotmail.com>
>>> To: assamnet <assam at assamnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 8:21:13 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Why would Mr Wahid confront anybody?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What Prof Amalendu Gauha wrote about 'Ha-Sam' was not based on his own
>>> research work.. He simply borrowed the writing from Mr Baden Powell even
>>> without quoting Mr Powell. I also wrote about the word 'Ha-Sam' in my
>>> article but I quoted Mr Baden Powell. Also Prof Guha was writing based on
>>> his communistic outlook, not much as history of the word Assam.
>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> There are many ignorant educated people in Assam. There are again some
>>> educated intellectuals with different agendas.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Let people read Mr. Wahid's writings and confront him if they have any
>>> problem.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rajen Barua
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:03:37 -0500
>>> > From: kjit.deka at gmail.com
>>> > To: assam at assamnet.org
>>> > Subject: [Assam] About the name Assam
>>> >
>>> > I am wondering what prevents Mr.Saleh from confronting people like
>>> > Prof.Priyam Goswami of Gauhati University or Prof.Amalendu Guha with his
>>> > newly-found Dutch document which will certainly make them
>>> laughter-evoking
>>> > buffoons for being so ignorant about Assam's history ?
>>> > KJD
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > assam mailing list
>>> > assam at assamnet.org
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>>
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Message: 12
>>Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:59:31 -0700 (PDT)
>>From: Dilip and Dil Deka <dilipdeka at yahoo.com>
>>Subject: [Assam] Fragmented Memories: Struggling to be Tai-Ahom in
>> India - by Yasmin Saikia
>>To: ASSAMNET <assam at assamnet.org>
>>Message-ID: <802445.61510.qm at web111313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>>Click on the link below. You will get some very interesting information.
>>Above all you will get an idea about Buranjis and the so called Ahom
>>kingdom.
>>Yasmin Saikia has done considerable research and put together information
>>that we all want to know.
>>This link does not have all the pages of the book but one can buy the whole
>>book.
>>Dilip Deka
>>
>>Fragmented Memories: Struggling to be Tai-Ahom in India - Google Books
>>Result
>>by Yasmin Saikia - 2004 - Social Science - 327 pages
>>In Assam even today people talk about a buranji called Chakarepheti Buranji
> >(The hooded ... past were removed by such drastic measures as burning
>>buranjis. ...
>>books.google..com/books?isbn=0822333732...
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Message: 13
>>Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 09:33:59 +0530
>>From: Babul Gogoi <bgogoi at gmail.com>
>>Subject: Re: [Assam] Fragmented Memories: Struggling to be Tai-Ahom in
>> India - by Yasmin Saikia
>>To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
>> world <assam at assamnet.org>
>>Message-ID:
>> <880b6ca80903162103i70f53eb9u428f89e65b928ae1 at mail.gmail.com>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>
>>http://books.google.co.in/books?id=p9PkFF3uq_8C
>>
>>
>>
>>On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Dilip and Dil Deka
>><dilipdeka at yahoo.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Click on the link below. You will get some very interesting information.
>>> Above all you will get an idea about Buranjis and the so called Ahom
>>> kingdom.
>>> Yasmin Saikia has done considerable research and put together information
>>> that we all want to know.
>>> This link does not have all the pages of the book but one can buy the
>>whole
>>> book.
>>> Dilip Deka
>>>
>>> Fragmented Memories: Struggling to be Tai-Ahom in India - Google Books
>>> Result
>>> by Yasmin Saikia - 2004 - Social Science - 327 pages
>>> In Assam even today people talk about a buranji called Chakarepheti
> >Buranji
>>> (The hooded ... past were removed by such drastic measures as burning
>>> buranjis. ...
>>> books.google.com/books?isbn=0822333732...
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>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>Other things may change us, but we start and end with the family.
>>
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Message: 14
>>Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 23:16:13 -0500
>>From: "Alpana B.. Sarangapani" <absarangapani at hotmail.com>
>>Subject: [Assam] Sanskrit and Assamese
>>To: <assam at assamnet.org>
>>Message-ID: <BLU127-W4651C1DAD96F1A5A58485DB3980 at phx.gbl>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>>
>>Here is a nice write-up on Dr. S. Ahmed, a PhD in Sanskrit from Gauhati
>>University. He sounds like a knowledgable person when it comes to history,
>>language, culture and real life, very interesting.
>>
>>
>>
>>http://www.assamtribune.com/dec2306/at07.html
>>
>>
>>
>>"Another reason, he cites is Sanskrit could provide students with better
>>grasp of history as almost all the ancient texts and inscriptions in India
>>are written in that language. Even to know the Assamese language better, or
>>learn the roots of many words, Sanskrit is the language of choice, he
>>claims."
>>
>>
>>
>>It would be great if scholars like him also come and join Assam Net.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>Message: 15
>>Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 23:17:03 -0500
>>From: kamal deka <kjit.deka at gmail.com>
>>Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
>>To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
>> world <assam at assamnet.org>
>>Message-ID:
>> <7b43066c0903162117u1cacf170nf5d43b298c13937c at mail.gmail.com>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>>
>>On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Does S N Sarma refer to any proof or is it a conjecture? And at what time
>>> frame did the name Asam came to be the defining name of the kingdom? Will
>>it
>>> be reasonable to surmise that it was much before the British came?
>>>
>>> *Assam and other derivatives *
>>>
>>> The earliest mention of "Assam" is found in the Bhagavat of Sankardeva,
>>> composed in the 15th and 16th centuries. The relevant stanza
>>[*Srimandbhagavat,
>>> skandha 2, H Dattabaruah and Co., Nalbari, pp-38*] is (in [*
>>> http://www.aczoom.com/itrans/#itransencoding iTrans*] )
>>>
>>> kiraTa kachhaari khaachi gaaro miri yavana ka~Nka govaala
>>> asama maluka dhobaa ye turuka kubaacha mlechchha chaNDaala
> >>
>>> One of the first unambiguous references comes from Thomas Bowrey in 1663
>>> about Mir Jumla's death: "They lost the best of Nabobs, the Kingdome of
>>> Acham, and, by consequence, many large privileges". [*Bowrey, Thomas, "A
>>> Geographical Account of Countries around Bay of Bengal", ed Temple, R. C.,
>>> Hakluyt Society's Publications*]
>>>
>>KJD
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The Sanskritized form is a pure and unadulterated conjecture of modern
>>> times.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> At 5:46 PM -0500 3/16/09, kamal deka wrote:
>>>
>>>> According to historian Satyendra Nath Sarma, [*Sarma, Satyendra Nath
>>>> (1976)
>>>> "Assamese Literature", Harrassowitz, Wiesbaden.*]
>>>>
>>>> While the Shan invaders called themselves Tai, they came to be referred
>>to
>>>> as "?s?m", "?sam" and sometimes as "Acam" by the indigenous people of the
>>>> country. The modern Assamese word "?hom" by which the Tai people are
>>known
>>>> is derived from "?s?m" or "?sam". The epithet applied to the Shan
>>>> conquerors
>>>> was subsequently transferred to the country over which they ruled and
>>thus
>>>> the name K?mar?pa was replaced by ?s?m, which ultimately took the
>>>>
>>>> Sanskritized form "Asama", meaning "unequalled, peerless or uneven"
>>>> [*Banikanta
>>>> Kakati: "Assamese: Its Formation and Development", p2*]
> >>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Dilip and Dil Deka <dilipdeka at yahoo.com
>>>> >wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The debaters on this subject are looking at only two facets - the
>>>>> Tai-Ahom
>>>>> connection and the possible Sanskritization. There is a third one to
>>>>> look
>>>>> at. The Bodo-Kacharis have been in Assam longer than anyone else and
>>>>> their
>>>>> people are spread all over Assam.
>>>>> What did they call the land? Many rivers in Assam still have their Bodo
>>>>> names.
>>>>> What did they call the Tais who came to Assam in the 13th century?
>>>>> Is there "xo" sound in Bodo language?
>>>>> It is very possible that some words in Bodo were at the root of "Oxom",
>>>>> "Assam", "Asom" or whatever else. Please do not throw away Dr. A. Guha
>>>>> or
>>>>> Baden Powell(is that the name?) yet.
>> >>>
>>>>> I don't know a word of Bodo language. Could someone who knows Bodo
>>>>> comment
>>>>> on the above?
>>>>> I did go to the website http://www.bodoland.org/language1.htm and found
>>>>> some interesting words but not much that would help the debate.
>>>>> Dilip Deka
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: Rajen Barua <barua25 at hotmail.com>
>>>>> To: assamnet <assam at assamnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 8:21:13 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Why would Mr Wahid confront anybody?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What Prof Amalendu Gauha wrote about 'Ha-Sam' was not based on his own
>>>>> research work. He simply borrowed the writing from Mr Baden Powell even
>>>>> without quoting Mr Powell. I also wrote about the word 'Ha-Sam' in my
>>>>> article but I quoted Mr Baden Powell. Also Prof Guha was writing based
>>>>> on
>>>>> his communistic outlook, not much as history of the word Assam.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There are many ignorant educated people in Assam. There are again some
>>>>> educated intellectuals with different agendas.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Let people read Mr. Wahid's writings and confront him if they have any
>>>>> problem.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Rajen Barua
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:03:37 -0500
>>>>> > From: kjit.deka at gmail.com
>>>>> > To: assam at assamnet.org
>>>>> > Subject: [Assam] About the name Assam
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I am wondering what prevents Mr.Saleh from confronting people like
>>>>> > Prof.Priyam Goswami of Gauhati University or Prof.Amalendu Guha with
>>>>> his
>>>>> > newly-found Dutch document which will certainly make them
>>>>> laughter-evoking
>>>>> > buffoons for being so ignorant about Assam's history ?
>>>>> > KJD
>>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>>> > assam mailing list
>>>>> > assam at assamnet.org
>>>>> > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
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>>Message: 16
>>Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:12:30 +0530 (IST)
>>From: Buljit Buragohain <buluassam at yahoo.co.in>
>>Subject: [Assam] Web site of the "Adinor Sambad"
>>To: assam at assamnet.org
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