[Assam] assam Digest, Vol 44, Issue 23 - About the name Assam
kamal deka
kjit.deka at gmail.com
Wed Mar 18 15:36:20 PDT 2009
You have FINALLY agreed that there is no unified opinion.Therefore you have
answered your own question.
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:
> At 10:55 PM -0500 3/17/09, kamal deka wrote:
>
>> If there is no unified opinion on an issue,one can argue both ways.
>>
>
>
>
> *** How? Just because there is no 'unified opinion" ( never mind among
> whom) on what Assam used to be known before Oxom became the commonly
> accepted name, HOW can someone argue that it was a name created by the
> Brits ( that is what OXX claims) , particularly in the face of written
> proofMughal, British and Dutch that the name Assam/Acham/Acam/Assamer, Asam
> etc. was used long before the British arrived in Assam?
>
>
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>
>
> So
>> elementary---there is no need to drag Watson's name to print.
>> There are couple of reasons as to why that travelogue may not be accepted
>> as
>> the final proof.I will deal with that later.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> THERE IS NO CONSENSUS AMONG ASSAMESE SCHOLARS IN SO FAR AS THE ETYMOLOGY
>>>
>>>> OF >ASSAM IS CONCERNED.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> *** That does not make Assam an anglicized form as claimed by OXX and as
>>> Kamal and Dilip seem to agree. One however hardly needs to argue the
>>> point.
>>> As Sherlock Holmes might have said, it is elementary Dr. Watson.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >I HAPPENED TO SPEAK TO A FEW INTELLECTUALS,WHO ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH
>>> THE
>>>
>>>> DUTCH DOCUMENT REFUSE TO ACCEPT THAT AS AN AUTHENTIC PROOF.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> *** Did they give any reason as to WHY it is NOT an authentic proof,
>>> acceptable to their scholarships? And if they don't , should we, as
>>> thinking
>>> and rational people accept the verdict of somebody who just doesn't
>>> like it
>>> - never mind why?
>>> Why should we even consider them SCHOLARS if they cannot make a
>>> persuasive
>>> argument why the Dutch document is not authentic?
>>>
>>> To accept it as the last word because some ' certified scholar ' says so
>>> will make us seem like sheep, unable to exercise our own reasoning
>>> abilities. I would want to see the certification of those scholars
>>> first :-).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> At 5:43 PM -0500 3/17/09, kamal deka wrote:
>>>
>>> I would like to conclude by saying the following;
>>>> THERE IS NO CONSENSUS AMONG ASSAMESE SCHOLARS IN SO FAR AS THE
>>>> ETYMOLOGY
>>>> OF
>>>> ASSAM IS CONCERNED.THEY ARE DIVIDED ON RACIAL LINES.THE TRIBAL SCHOLARS
>>>> VEHEMENTLY OPPOSES THE NAME CHANGE,WHILE THE PLAIN GROUPS FAVORS IT.
>>>> I HAPPENED TO SPEAK TO A FEW INTELLECTUALS,WHO ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH
>>>> THE
>>>> DUTCH DOCUMENT REFUSE TO ACCEPT THAT AS AN AUTHENTIC PROOF.
>>>> AGAIN, THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT ANY NEW DISCOVERY,BE IT THE BOGORI(
>>>> OLIVE),BENGANA ( EGG-PLANT) OR BURONJI ( HISTORY) MUST PASS THE
>>>> CREDIBILITY
>>>> TEST.THAT YARDSTICK OUGHT TO BE APPLIED EQUALLY TO ALL.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 4:45 PM, Dilip and Dil Deka <
>>>> dilipdeka at yahoo.com
>>>> >wrote:
>>>>
>>>> '' In the meantime, verifiable proof exists
>>>>
>>>>> to claim with certainty that Assam is NOT an anglicized form of what
>>>>> the historical name of what we call Oxom today, because it predates
>>>>> the British arrival in Assam. Pretty simple."
>>>>> ------ As I said, the proof provided shows outsiders (foreigners)
>>>>> called
>>>>> the land "Assam" or "Asem" or whatever else. That includes the Dutch,
>>>>> the
>>>>> Mughals, and the British. There is also proof that the Dutch used the
>>>>> name
>>>>>
>>>> >>> before the British did. It still does not prove that the residents
>> of
>>
>>> Assam
>>>>> called their land by that name. That is the point of my bringing in
>>>>> Bodo
>>>>> language side of the equation.
>>>>>
>>>>> " >I personally feel deeper research has to be done into Bodo language
>>>>> >and folk-literature to see if the >root of the word Oxom can be
>>>>> >found.
>>>>> That is one's prerogative. Like it is for creationists to find proof
>>>>> to
>>>>> debunk evolution."
>>>>> ------- Your words have no relevance here. You are reading me wrong. I
>>>>> am
>>>>> not debunking the statement that the land in question was called Assam
>>>>> (or
>>>>> whatever else) by outsiders before the British. My curiosity is about
>>>>>
>>>> >>> "Oxom"
>>
>>> and "Ahom". When did these words come into use? The Tais did not call
>>>>> themselves Ahom. So who started that word? Do the words Ahom and Oxom
>>>>> have
>>>>> some connection? I am suggesting that Bodo language may give some
>>>>> clue.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it fair to say that this whole Assamnet debate wouldn't have
>>>>> started
>>>>> if
>>>>> OXX had used the word "Westernized" in stead of "Anglicized" to
>>>>> describe
>>>>> the
>>>>> word "Assam"?
>>>>> I agree that "Asom" is not a suitable replacement for "Assam" as
>>>>> proposed
>>>>> by the Assam govt.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ================================================================================
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net>
>>>>> To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
>>>>> world
>>>>> <
>>>>> assam at assamnet.org>; wahid.saleh at gmail.com
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 3:51:58 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Assam] assam Digest, Vol 44, Issue 23 - About the name
>>>>> Assam
>>>>>
>>>>> >I personally feel deeper research has to be done into Bodo language
>>>>>
>>>>> > >and folk-literature to see if the >root of the word Oxom can be
>>>> > >found.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *** That is one's prerogative. Like it is for creationists to find
>>>>> proof to debunk evolution. In the meantime, verifiable proof exists
>>>>> to claim with certainty that Assam is NOT an anglicized form of what
>>>>> the historical name of what we call Oxom today, because it predates
>>>>> the British arrival in Assam. Pretty simple.
>>>>>
>>>>> THAT was the point of contention: What OXX's website claimed.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> At 10:02 AM -0700 3/17/09, Dilip and Dil Deka wrote:
>>>>> >Mr. Saleh,
>>>>> >
>>>>> >You said, " All I did was to search for available information in
>>>>> >publications (in English and other languages) and
>>>>> >compile the information and publish an article to show that the name
>>>>> Assam
>>>>> >was not given by the British. The name existed before the British
>>>>> >came to Assam."
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Your interest in the subject and the time you spent in the
>>>>> >research should be appreciated by all who are somewhat interested in
>>>>> >Assam's history. In the above paragraph, you have also made it very
>>>>> >clear that your goal was to show that other outsiders (other than
>>>>> >the British) also called today's Oxom as Assam or something similar.
>>>>> >I do not believe you wanted to get into the debate over whether the
>>>>> >name Assam (or something similar) came first, or Oxom. As we have
>>>>> >seen in this debate and elsewhere, it will be very hard to pinpoint
>>>>> >when the name Oxom came into being. Dr. Yasmin Saikia in her
>>>>> >research concluded that a name for the Ahom kingdom does not appear
>>>>> >in the Buranjis remaining today. As we know a large number of
>>>>> >Buranjis were burnt under the care of Kirti Charan Barbarua. There
>>>>> >may be some hiding in some village in Assam. Who knows?
>>>>> >
>>>>> >I personally feel deeper research has to be done into Bodo language
>>>>> >and folk-literature to see if the root of the word Oxom can be found.
>>>>> >I asked a question a few days ago - who gave the name Ahom to the
>>>>> >Tai group and why did the Tai people so willingly accepted it?
>>>>> >No one has answered it.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Again, thanks for your dedication to things Assamese.
>>>>> >Dilip Deka
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >________________________________
>>>>>
>>>> >>> >From: Wahid Saleh(GM) <wahid.saleh at gmail.com>
>>
>>> >To: assam at assamnet..org
>>>>> >Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:01:54 AM
>>>>> >Subject: Re: [Assam] assam Digest, Vol 44, Issue 23 - About the name
>>>>> Assam
>>>>> >
>>>>> >>>I am wondering what prevents Mr.Saleh from confronting people like
>>>>> >>>Prof.Priyam Goswami of Gauhati University or Prof.Amalendu Guha
>>>>> with
>>>>> >>>his newly-found Dutch document which will certainly make them
>>>>> >>>laughter-evoking buffoons for being so ignorant about Assam's
>>>>> history
>>>>> ?
>>>>> >
>>>>> >It was not my intention to confront others. All I did was to search
>>>>> for
>>>>> >available information in publications (in English and other
>>>>> languages)
>>>>> and
>>>>> >compile the information and publish an article to show that the name
>>>>>
>>>> >>> Assam
>>
>>> >was not given by the British. The name existed before the British
>>>>> came
>>>>> to
>>>>> >Assam.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >In my search for information on this subject I contacted persons who
>>>>> knew
>>>>> >about Indian, Dutch, English and Portuguese histories, did research
>>>>> and
>>>>> >published papers and books in their respective fields. They were
>>>>> based
>>>>> in
>>>>> >Australia, Bangladesh, Iran, India, the Netherlands, Portugal,
>>>>> Vietnam,
>>>>> >Thailand, UK and USA. Most of them are considered to be authorities
>>>>> in
>>>>> their
>>>>> >respective fields. I also did some research on Marco Polo and Huen
>>>>> Tsang
>>>>> to
>>>>> >find out if they mentioned the name Assam in their travel journals.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >During this process I stumbled upon the fact that the person named
>>>>> Glanius
>>>>> >who is mentioned by several well-known historians did not accompany
>>>>> Mir
>>>>> >Jumla and also never visited Assam. I also published an article on
>>>>> the
>>>>> same
>>>>> >subject.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >We all have the freedom to accept the mentioned books/publications as
>>>>> >historical documents or reject them totally.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >I quoted Prof. Priyam Goswami from a news item published by Times of
>>>>> India
>>>>> >(26-02-06) with the title "Assam to fall off the map, turn Asom" as
>>>>> Mr.
>>>>> Deka
>>>>> >wanted explanations from someone competent authority.
>>>>>
>>>>> > >
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>> >>I remain unconvinced.
>>>>>
>>>>> > >>In the fitness of thing,the entire matter ought to be left for
>>>> those,who
>>>>
>>>> >are in the business of reading,analyzing and interpreting the
>>>>> nitty-gritty
>>>>> >>historical facts and data.
>>>>> >>I refuse to accept the interpretation put forward by Saleh/Barua as
>>>>> an
>>>>> >>unshakable truth.
>>>>> >>As far as I am concerned,their explanation is of no
>>>>> consequence,pending
>>>>> >full verification by the competent ones.
>>>>> >>Meanwhile,those self-proclaimed neo-historians should stop the
>>>>> tamasha
>>>>> of
>>>>> >>re-writing and re-interpreting facts in regard to Assam's
>>>>> >>history,who,perhaps,haven't studied the subject seriously save
>>>>> high-school
>>>>> >>history :-)
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Mr. Amalendu Guha and Kalika Purna were quoted by Mr. Deka and my
>>>>> reply
>>>>> was
>>>>> >only in reference to the said quotes.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Both Prof Goswami and Mr. Guha wrote within the framework of
>>>>> information
>>>>> >available to them. This does not mean that they are "buffons". They
>>>>> are
>>>>> >contributing their own way to the knowledge of the society. In and
>>>>> outside
>>>>> >their academic circle they are respected academicians. We may agree
>>>>> with
>>>>> >them or reject their arguments without using some adjectives which
>>>>> they
>>>>> >don't deserve.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Wahid Saleh
>>>>> >
>>>>> >-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
>>>>> >Van: assam-bounces at assamnet.org [mailto:assam-bounces at assamnet.org]
>>>>> Namens
>>>>> >assam-request at assamnet.org
>>>>> >Verzonden: dinsdag 17 maart 2009 7:30
>>>>> >Aan: assam at assamnet.org
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>>>>> >
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>>>>> >
>>>>> >Today's Topics:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > 1. Re: About the name Assam (Choudhary, H. N. - AMW - MUM)
>>>>> > 2. Of Wearing Suits and their Side-effects - Kalyan
>>>>> > Dutta-Choudhury, The Sentinel (Ram Sarangapani)
>>>>> > 3. Re: About the name Assam (kamal deka)
>>>>> > 4. Re: About the name Assam (kamal deka)
>>>>> > 5. Re: About the name Assam (kamal deka)
>>>>> > 6. Re: About the name Assam (Chan Mahanta)
>>>>> > 7. Re: About the name Assam (Rajen & Ajanta Barua)
>>>>> > 8. Re: About the name Assam (Rajen & Ajanta Barua)
>>>>> > 9. Re: About the name Assam (Rajen & Ajanta Barua)
>>>>>
>>>> >>> > 10. Re: About the name Assam (kamal deka)
>>
>>> > 11. Re: About the name Assam (kamal deka)
>>>>> > 12. Fragmented Memories: Struggling to be Tai-Ahom in India - by
>>>>> > Yasmin Saikia (Dilip and Dil Deka)
>>>>> > 13. Re: Fragmented Memories: Struggling to be Tai-Ahom in India
>>>>> -
>>>>> > by Yasmin Saikia (Babul Gogoi)
>>>>> > 14. Sanskrit and Assamese (Alpana B. Sarangapani)
>>>>> > 15. Re: About the name Assam (kamal deka)
>>>>> > 16.. Web site of the "Adinor Sambad" (Buljit Buragohain)
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> >----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Message: 1
>>>>> >Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:59:07 +0530
>>>>> >From: "Choudhary, H. N. - AMW - MUM" <HNChoudhary at amwasia.com>
>>>>> >Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
>>>>> >To: "A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
>>>>> > world" <assam at assamnet.org>
>>>>> >Cc: rc2559 at columbia.edu
>>>>> >Message-ID:
>>>>> > <C277F575BBB7F54B9DB20593FACB611003A415 at amwbkcexch.amwasia.com>
>>>>> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Dear All,
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Having read the mails and communications on the subject "about the
>>>>> name
>>>>> >of Assam",
>>>>> >
>>>>> >I feel that the debate on the subject has become acrimonious and
>>>>> >somewhat personal.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >No one can clam fame to become a historian overnight by writing an
>>>>> >article on a historical topic. It is also not appropriate to call
>>>>> them
>>>>> >"neophyte historians" as they may not deserve the accolade.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >If I have to give my comments on the following remarks:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >"There are many ignorant educated people in Assam. There are again
>>>>> some
>>>>>
>>>>> > >educated intellectuals with different agendas."
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >-- I will like to reserve my comments.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Please exercise restraint and caution on commenting poorly on the
>>>>> whole
>>>>> >of Assam or Assamese people.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Your geographical location outside Assam (in USA or elsewhere) does
>>>>> not
>>>>> >confer the right to make un-parliamentary
>>>>> >
>>>>> >comments on the people in Assam.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >These are sensitive issues.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >I am a recent addition to the group.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >I have served for many years in the Army and now in an Indian
>>>>> corporate.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Having he advantage to experienced the best traditions of our culture
>>>>> >and a mix of British culture,
>>>>> >
>>>>> >I could suggest that views and opinions need not "hurt" anyone.
>>>>> Please
>>>>> >show tolerance.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >If we follow that in the Friends of Assam, we will remain friends.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >I request both parties to cool off.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >There is too much heat at the moment.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Regards,
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Col Hemen N Choudhary
>>>>> >
>>>>> >W Sea Face
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Mumbai
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >-----Original Message-----
>>>>> >From: assam-bounces at assamnet.org [mailto:assam-bounces at assamnet.org]
>>>>> On
>>>>> >Behalf Of Rajen Barua
>>>>> >Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 6:51 PM
>>>>> >To: assamnet
>>>>> >Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Why would Mr Wahid confront anybody?
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>> >>> >
>>
>>> >What Prof Amalendu Gauha wrote about 'Ha-Sam' was not based on his
>>>>> own
>>>>> >research work. He simply borrowed the writing from Mr Baden Powell
>>>>> even
>>>>> >without quoting Mr Powell. I also wrote about the word 'Ha-Sam' in my
>>>>> >article but I quoted Mr Baden Powell. Also Prof Guha was writing
>>>>> based
>>>>> >on his communistic outlook, not much as history of the word Assam.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >There are
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Let people read Mr. Wahid's writings and confront him if they have
>>>>> any
>>>>> >problem.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Rajen Barua
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>> >>> >> Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:03:37 -0500
>>
>>> >
>>>>> >> From: kjit.deka at gmail.com
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> To: assam at assamnet.org
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> Subject: [Assam] About the name Assam
>>>>> >
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> I am wondering what prevents Mr.Saleh from confronting people like
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> Prof.Priyam Goswami of Gauhati University or Prof.Amalendu Guha
>>>>> with
>>>>> >his
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> newly-found Dutch document which will certainly make them
>>>>> >laughter-evoking
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> buffoons for being so ignorant about Assam's history ?
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> KJD
>>>>> >
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>>>>> >Message: 2
>>>>> >Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:24:16 -0500
>>>>> >From: Ram Sarangapani <assamrs at gmail.com>
>>>>> >Subject: [Assam] Of Wearing Suits and their Side-effects - Kalyan
>>>>> > Dutta-Choudhury, The Sentinel
>>>>> >To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
>>>>> > world <assam at assamnet.org>
>>>>> >Message-ID:
>>>>> > <6e564ddf0903161424p5482b16es190baf547c7cd65d at mail.gmail.com>
>>>>> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Netters,
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Kalyan da writes well, and I kind of like this piece. Reminds me of
>>>>> Gandhi,
>>>>> >"Imitating the English Gentleman" which we had at high school, where
>>>>> Gandhi
>>>>> >declares
>>>>> >"And Mr. Bell rang the bell of Alarm in my ears, and I awoke" after
>>>>> he
>>>>> felt
>>>>> >guilty asking money from back home for his elocution and music
>>>>> lessons
>>>>> in
>>>>> >London.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >"The head tailor there was called masterji. When he was called, he
>>>>> showed
>>>>> up
>>>>> >at the front desk with a measuring tape coolly around his neck and
>>>>> the
>>>>> two
>>>>> >ends of it dangling. He talked sparingly because he knew his
>>>>> business.
>>>>> Any
>>>>> >professional person who talks to his or her clients doesn?t know his
>>>>> or
>>>>>
>>>>> > her
>>>>
>>>> >profession." - K DC
>>>>> >
>>>>> >This is just precious. I remember going for my first job interview at
>>>>> >Guwahati.. Didn't have a suit, so I borrowed a jacket from a friend -
>>>>> similar
>>>>> >shade. But the jacket was a size smaller. So, I used the next best
>>>>> option
>>>>> -
>>>>> >slung the jacket over my shoulders - to look hip, and make it look
>>>>> like
>>>>> it
>>>>> >was my suit.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >--Ram
>>>>> >_______________
>>>>> >
>>>>> >*Kalyan Dutta-Choudhury
>>>>> >
>>>>> >*A television programme showed men?s suits selling for upwards of,
>>>>> get
>>>>> this
>>>>> >incredible story, forty three thousand dollars. No, the suits weren?t
>>>>> made
>>>>> >of gold or titanium or any other precious metal. They were regular
>>>>> woollen
>>>>> >suits but the wool came from some animals grazing in some kind of
>>>>> grass
>>>>> >which grew in cool highlands of South America. The interviewer
>>>>> sported
>>>>> a
>>>>> >high-priced suit of that kind of lineage but he didn?t look any
>>>>> different
>>>>>
>>>> >>> >than when he was wearing his regular suit of approximately of
>> same
>>
>>> colour
>>>>> >and texture. But that?s purely my judgement.
>>>>> >Then, what is the hype about paying forty three thousand dollars for
>>>>> a
>>>>> suit?
>>>>> >That lies in the psychology of buying at one end, and selling at the
>>>>> other
>>>>> >end, of the business enterprise. The buyer may be a craven soul like
>>>>> Barney
>>>>> >Madeoff who made his money by bilking others, but how the seller, in
>>>>> right
>>>>> >conscientiousness, could sell the high-priced suits? They are made of
>>>>> the
>>>>> >same mould. They feed off each other?s depravity.
>>>>> >A relative of ours went to France, of many other places, for a visit
>>>>> to
>>>>> see
>>>>> >how things were different up there.. It seemed he made lots of money.
>>>>>
>>>> >>> Who
>>
>>> >doesn?t make money in Assam? Only fools don?t. Looking around in
>>>>> Paris,
>>>>> he
>>>>> >found a tailoring shop which made suits. Asking for the price of a
>>>>> suit,
>>>>> he
>>>>> >was shocked to learn the price of suits ? way too high. With that
>>>>> kind
>>>>> of
>>>>> >money, he quickly calculated using his handy pocket calculator: ??I
>>>>> could
>>>>> >make two pairs of suits with heavier clothing at Mohini?s in
>>>>> Guwahati.??
>>>>> >That?s what he did. The suits were a bit ill-fitting and out of
>>>>> style.
>>>>> But
>>>>> >who cares about good fit and style in the non-suit domain like
>>>>> Guwahati!
>>>>> >It?s the quality of clothing that matters.
>>>>> >In the late 50s and early 60s, there was a veritable mania of wearing
>>>>> suits
>>>>> >to look cool. All kinds of grants and scholarships made that
>>>>> possible.
>>>>> If
>>>>> >you were a student at Assam Engineering College in those heady
>>>>> ?engineering?
>>>>> >days, and you the poor soul didn?t have a nice pair to wear to go to
>>>>> Gauhati
>>>>> >in the evenings, you were so out of style and time.
>>>>> >So where did the students go to get their suits made? Where else but
>>>>> >Mohini?s in Fancy Bazar? The head tailor there was called masterji.
>>>>> When
>>>>> he
>>>>> >was called, he showed up at the front desk with a measuring tape
>>>>> coolly
>>>>> >around his neck and the two ends of it dangling. He talked sparingly
>>>>> because
>>>>> >he knew his business. Any professional person who talks to his or her
>>>>> >clients doesn?t know his or her profession. Did you ever talk with
>>>>> your
>>>>> >doctor? He will shut you up any time you open your mouth to say
>>>>> something
>>>>> >important to him ? something vitally important.
>>>>> >Anyway, the culture of wearing a good pair of suits migrated down to
>>>>> those
>>>>> >aspiring to be future engineers too. Such an aspiring soul came to
>>>>> board
>>>>> in
>>>>> >our DS hostel. In a short time, he discarded his white pajamas, blue
>>>>> shirts
>>>>> >and sandals and began wearing alternating between a light-blue suit
>>>>> and
>>>>> a
>>>>> >dark-brown suit with appropriately matching shoes whenever he went
>>>>> out,
>>>>> >which was often. When you wear a suit, you don?t sit in your room and
>>>>> study
>>>>> >like so many fools! You go out with other suit-wearers. When you?re
>>>>> out
>>>>> with
>>>>> >suit-wearers, you go for a long walk up and down through busy
>>>>> thoroughfares
>>>>> >stopping at stores and buying odd little things showing off what a
>>>>> cool
>>>>> guy
>>>>> >you were. If there were womenfolk in the stores, it was moksha! There
>>>>> were
>>>>> >women. But they had more sense. They won?t tango with them.
>>>>> >One evening, the student?s father showed up at the hostel enquiring
>>>>> about
>>>>>
>>>>> > >his son. But the son wasn?t there for hours, perhaps gallivanting
>>>> in
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>> >city street. After hours passed, I came out of my room and asked the
>>>>> man
>>>>> if
>>>>> >I could take a message for his son. ??No, that won?t be necessary...
>>>>> I?m
>>>>> >financially ruined. I can?t keep up with his demands. Every so often
>>>>> he
>>>>> >would come home and tell his mother he needed money. Lots of them. He
>>>>> needs
>>>>> >to buy suits, shirts and shoes to prepare himself to be an good
>>>>> engineer.
>>>>> >I?m just a railway clerk at Maligaon... How would I know how
>>>>> engineers
>>>>> are
>>>>> >made??? said the haggard man wisping in Bengali.
>>>>>
>>>> >>> >It was the most pathetic and most depraved story I had the
>> misfortune
>>
>>> ever
>>>>> >came to hear. If I had a hidden desire to buy a pair of nice suits,
>>>>> it
>>>>> >instantly vanished for a few years at least. I came to the US wearing
>>>>> a
>>>>> suit
>>>>> >but I discarded that in favour of blue jeans and T-shirts. If I care
>>>>> to
>>>>> >look, the suit might be still there somewhere in the house. But for
>>>>> what
>>>>> >should I do that? I?m a non-suit man heart and soul.
>>>>> >(The writer is settled at Berkeley, California)
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >------------------------------
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Message: 3
>>>>> >Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:32:18 -0500
>>>>> >From: kamal deka <kjit.deka at gmail.com>
>>>>> >Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
>>>>> >To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
>>>>>
>>>> >>> > world <assam at assamnet.org>
>>
>>> >Message-ID:
>>>>> > <7b43066c0903161532y7515bd76n4b059052c9805229 at mail.gmail.com>
>>>>> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Why?He was the one who is complining about their ignorance.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 8:21 AM, Rajen Barua <barua25 at hotmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Why would Mr Wahid confront anybody?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> What Prof Amalendu Gauha wrote about 'Ha-Sam' was not based on his
>>>>> own
>>>>> >> research work. He simply borrowed the writing from Mr Baden Powell
>>>>> even
>>>>> >> without quoting Mr Powell. I also wrote about the word 'Ha-Sam' in
>>>>> my
>>>>> >> article but I quoted Mr Baden Powell. Also Prof Guha was writing
>>>>> based
>>>>> on
>>>>> >> his communistic outlook, not much as history of the word Assam.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> There are many ignorant educated people in Assam. There are again
>>>>> some
>>>>> >> educated intellectuals with different agendas.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Let people read Mr. Wahid's writings and confront him if they have
>>>>> any
>>>>> >> problem.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Rajen Barua
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> > Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:03:37 -0500
>>>>> >> > From: kjit.deka at gmail.com
>>>>> >> > To: assam at assamnet.org
>>>>> >> > Subject: [Assam] About the name Assam
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > I am wondering what prevents Mr.Saleh from confronting people
>>>>> like
>>>>> >> > Prof.Priyam Goswami of Gauhati University or Prof.Amalendu Guha
>>>>> with
>>>>> his
>>>>> >> > newly-found Dutch document which will certainly make them
>>>>> >> laughter-evoking
>>>>> >> > buffoons for being so ignorant about Assam's history ?
>>>>> >> > KJD
>>>>> >> > _______________________________________________
>>>>> >> > assam mailing list
>>>>> >> > assam at assamnet.org
>>>>> >> > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
>>>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>>>> >> assam mailing list
>>>>> >> assam at assamnet.org
>>>>> >> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >------------------------------
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Message: 4
>>>>> >Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:40:53 -0500
>>>>> >From: kamal deka <kjit.deka at gmail.com>
>>>>> >Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
>>>>> >To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
>>>>> > world <assam at assamnet.org>
>>>>> >Message-ID:
>>>>> > <7b43066c0903161540w77182f79ic7ddde0451584e6b at mail.gmail.com>
>>>>> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Did you read his mail? Very self-explanatory.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 9:31 PM, Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> *** Wahid kokaideu does not have to go looking for Priyom Goswami
>>>>> or
>>>>> >> Omolendu Guho for a confrontation. He has presented his findings.
>>>>> If
>>>>> >someone
>>>>> >> has a problem with it, they can very well
>>>>> >> confront him, seek proof or rebut it or whatever.
>>>>>
>>>>> > >>
>>>>
>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> At 3:03 PM -0500 3/15/09, kamal deka wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>> I am wondering what prevents Mr.Saleh from confronting people
>>>>> like
>>>>> >>> Prof.Priyam Goswami of Gauhati University or Prof.Amalendu Guha
>>>>>
>>>> >>> with
>>
>>> his
>>>>> >>> newly-found Dutch document which will certainly make them
>>>>> >laughter-evoking
>>>>> >>> buffoons for being so ignorant about Assam's history ?
>>>>> >>> KJD
>>>>> >>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> >>> assam mailing list
>>>>> >>> assam at assamnet.org
>>>>> > >> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>>>> >> assam mailing list
>>>>> >> assam at assamnet.org
>>>>> >> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >------------------------------
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Message: 5
>>>>> >Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:46:33 -0500
>>>>> >From: kamal deka <kjit.deka at gmail.com>
>>>>> >Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
>>>>>
>>>> >>> >To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
>>
>>> > world <assam at assamnet.org>
>>>>> >Message-ID:
>>>>> > <7b43066c0903161546pa713174q41f2bc298fc85ccc at mail.gmail.com>
>>>>> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-13
>>>>> >
>>>>> >According to historian Satyendra Nath Sarma, [*Sarma, Satyendra Nath
>>>>> (1976)
>>>>> >"Assamese Literature", Harrassowitz, Wiesbaden.*]
>>>>> >
>>>>> >While the Shan invaders called themselves Tai, they came to be
>>>>> referred
>>>>> to
>>>>> >as "?s?m", "?sam" and sometimes as "Acam" by the indigenous people of
>>>>> the
>>>>> >country. The modern Assamese word "?hom" by which the Tai people are
>>>>> known
>>>>> >is derived from "?s?m" or "?sam". The epithet applied to the Shan
>>>>> conquerors
>>>>> >was subsequently transferred to the country over which they ruled and
>>>>> thus
>>>>> >the name K?mar?pa was replaced by ?s?m, which ultimately took the
>>>>> >Sanskritized form "Asama", meaning "unequalled, peerless or uneven"
>>>>> >[*Banikanta
>>>>> >Kakati: "Assamese: Its Formation and Development", p2*]
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Dilip and Dil Deka
>>>>> ><dilipdeka at yahoo.com>wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> The debaters on this subject are looking at only two facets - the
>>>>> Tai-Ahom
>>>>> >> connection and the possible Sanskritization. There is a third one
>>>>> to
>>>>> look
>>>>> >> at. The Bodo-Kacharis have been in Assam longer than anyone else
>>>>> and
>>>>> their
>>>>> >> people are spread all over Assam.
>>>>> >> What did they call the land? Many rivers in Assam still have their
>>>>> Bodo
>>>>> >> names.
>>>>> >> What did they call the Tais who came to Assam in the 13th century?
>>>>> >> Is there "xo" sound in Bodo language?
>>>>> >> It is very possible that some words in Bodo were at the root of
>>>>> "Oxom",
>>>>> >> "Assam", "Asom" or whatever else. Please do not throw away Dr. A.
>>>>> Guha
>>>>> or
>>>>> >> Baden Powell(is that the name?) yet.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I don't know a word of Bodo language. Could someone who knows Bodo
>>>>> comment
>>>>> >> on the above?
>>>>> >> I did go to the website http://www.bodoland.org/language1.htm and
>>>>> found
>>>>> >> some interesting words but not much that would help the debate.
>>>>> >> Dilip Deka
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> ________________________________
>>>>> >> From: Rajen Barua <barua25 at hotmail.com>
>>>>> >> To: assamnet <assam at assamnet.org>
>>>>> >> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 8:21:13 AM
>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Why would Mr Wahid confront anybody?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> What Prof Amalendu Gauha wrote about 'Ha-Sam' was not based on his
>>>>> own
>>>>> >> research work. He simply borrowed the writing from Mr Baden Powell
>>>>> even
>>>>> >> without quoting Mr Powell. I also wrote about the word 'Ha-Sam' in
>>>>> my
>>>>> >> article but I quoted Mr Baden Powell. Also Prof Guha was writing
>>>>> based
>>>>> on
>>>>> >> his communistic outlook, not much as history of the word Assam.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> There are many ignorant educated people in Assam. There are again
>>>>> some
>>>>> >> educated intellectuals with different agendas.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Let people read Mr. Wahid's writings and confront him if they have
>>>>> any
>>>>> >> problem.
>>>>> >>
>>>>>
>>>> >>> >>
>>
>>> >>
>>>>> >> Rajen Barua
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> > Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:03:37 -0500
>>>>> >> > From: kjit.deka at gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>> > >> > To: assam at assamnet.org
>>>>
>>>> >> > Subject: [Assam] About the name Assam
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > I am wondering what prevents Mr.Saleh from confronting people
>>>>> like
>>>>> >> > Prof.Priyam Goswami of Gauhati University or Prof..Amalendu Guha
>>>>> with
>>>>> his
>>>>> >> > newly-found Dutch document which will certainly make them
>>>>> >> laughter-evoking
>>>>> >> > buffoons for being so ignorant about Assam's history ?
>>>>> >> > KJD
>>>>> >> > _______________________________________________
>>>>> >> > assam mailing list
>>>>> >> > assam at assamnet.org
>>>>> >> > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
>>>>>
>>>> >>> >> _______________________________________________
>>
>>> >> assam mailing list
>>>>> >> assam at assamnet.org
>>>>> >> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
>>>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>>>> >> assam mailing list
>>>>> >> assam at assamnet.org
>>>>> >> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >------------------------------
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Message: 6
>>>>> >Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 18:22:57 -0500
>>>>> >From: Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net>
>>>>> >Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
>>>>> >To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
>>>>> > world <assam at assamnet.org>
>>>>> >Message-ID: <a06240801c5e48f2413b2@[192.168.0.197]>
>>>>> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed"
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Does S N Sarma refer to any proof or is it a
>>>>> >conjecture? And at what time frame did the name
>>>>> >Asam came to be the defining name of the kingdom?
>>>>> >Will it be reasonable to surmise that it was much
>>>>> >before the British came?
>>>>> >
>>>>> >The Sanskritized form is a pure and unadulterated conjecture of
>>>>> modern
>>>>> >times.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >At 5:46 PM -0500 3/16/09, kamal deka wrote:
>>>>> >>According to historian Satyendra Nath Sarma, [*Sarma, Satyendra Nath
>>>>> (1976)
>>>>> >>"Assamese Literature", Harrassowitz, Wiesbaden.*]
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>While the Shan invaders called themselves Tai, they came to be
>>>>> referred
>>>>> to
>>>>> >>as "?s?m", "?sam" and sometimes as "Acam" by the indigenous people
>>>>> of
>>>>> the
>>>>> >>country. The modern Assamese word "?hom" by which the Tai people are
>>>>> known
>>>>> >>is derived from "?s?m" or "?sam". The epithet applied to the Shan
>>>>> >conquerors
>>>>> >>was subsequently transferred to the country over which they ruled
>>>>> and
>>>>> thus
>>>>> >>the name K?mar?pa was replaced by ?s?m, which ultimately took the
>>>>> >>Sanskritized form "Asama", meaning "unequalled,
>>>>> >>peerless or uneven" [*Banikanta
>>>>> >>Kakati: "Assamese: Its Formation and Development", p2*]
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Dilip and Dil
>>>>> >>Deka <dilipdeka at yahoo.com>wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>> The debaters on this subject are looking at only two facets - the
>>>>> >Tai-Ahom
>>>>> >>> connection and the possible Sanskritization. There is a third one
>>>>> to
>>>>> >look
>>>>> >>> at. The Bodo-Kacharis have been in Assam longer than anyone else
>>>>> and
>>>>> >their
>>>>> >>> people are spread all over Assam.
>>>>> >>> What did they call the land? Many rivers in Assam still have
>>>>> their
>>>>> Bodo
>>>>> >>> names.
>>>>> >>> What did they call the Tais who came to Assam in the 13th
>>>>> century?
>>>>> >>> Is there "xo" sound in Bodo language?
>>>>> >>> It is very possible that some words in Bodo were at the root of
>>>>> "Oxom",
>>>>> >>> "Assam", "Asom" or whatever else. Please do not throw away Dr. A.
>>>>> Guha
>>>>> >or
>>>>> >>> Baden Powell(is that the name?) yet.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> I don't know a word of Bodo language. Could someone who knows
>>>>> Bodo
>>>>> >comment
>>>>> >>> on the above?
>>>>> >>> I did go to the website http://www.bodoland.org/language1.htmand
>>>>> found
>>>>> >>> some interesting words but not much that would help the debate.
>>>>>
>>>> >>> >>> Dilip Deka
>>
>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> ________________________________
>>>>> >>> From: Rajen Barua <barua25 at hotmail.com>
>>>>> >>> To: assamnet <assam at assamnet.org>
>>>>> >>> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 8:21:13 AM
>>>>> >>> Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Why would Mr Wahid confront anybody?
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> What Prof Amalendu Gauha wrote about 'Ha-Sam' was not based on
>>>>> his
>>>>> own
>>>>> >>> research work. He simply borrowed the writing from Mr Baden
>>>>> Powell
>>>>> even
>>>>>
>>>>> > >>> without quoting Mr Powell. I also wrote about the word 'Ha-Sam'
>>>> in
>>>> my
>>>>
>>>> >>> article but I quoted Mr Baden Powell. Also Prof Guha was writing
>>>>> based
>>>>> >on
>>>>> >>> his communistic outlook, not much as history of the word Assam.
>>>>>
>>>> >>> >>>
>>
>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> There are many ignorant educated people in Assam. There are again
>>>>> some
>>>>> >>> educated intellectuals with different agendas.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Let people read Mr. Wahid's writings and confront him if they
>>>>> have
>>>>> any
>>>>> >>> problem.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Rajen Barua
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> > Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:03:37 -0500
>>>>> >>> > From: kjit.deka at gmail.com
>>>>> >>> > To: assam at assamnet.org
>>>>> >>> > Subject: [Assam] About the name Assam
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> > I am wondering what prevents Mr.Saleh from confronting people
>>>>> like
>>>>> >>> > Prof.Priyam Goswami of Gauhati University or Prof.Amalendu Guha
>>>>> with
>>>>> >his
>>>>> >>> > newly-found Dutch document which will certainly make them
>>>>> >>> laughter-evoking
>>>>> >>> > buffoons for being so ignorant about Assam's history ?
>>>>> >>> > KJD
>>>>> >>> > _______________________________________________
>>>>> >>> > assam mailing list
>>>>> >>> > assam at assamnet.org
>>>>> >>> > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
>>>>> >>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> >>> assam mailing list
>>>>> >>> assam at assamnet.org
>>>>> > >> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
>>>>> >>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> >>> assam mailing list
>>>>> >>> assam at assamnet.org
>>>>> >>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>_______________________________________________
>>>>> >>assam mailing list
>>>>> >>assam at assamnet.org
>>>>> >>http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >------------------------------
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Message: 7
>>>>> >Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:54:43 -0500
>>>>> >From: "Rajen & Ajanta Barua" <barua25 at hotmail.com>
>>>>> >Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
>>>>> >To: "A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
>>>>> > world" <assam at assamnet.org>
>>>>> >Message-ID: <BLU104-DS7C413BFDCE6E3BC440122AD980 at phx.gbl>
>>>>> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Dear Choudhury:
>>>>> >Since you are new to the Assam net, please know that in this net we
>>>>> discuss
>>>>> >and debate all kinds of intelligent intellectual issues.
>>>>> >Please don't take anything personally in assam net. Here we do
>>>>> friendly
>>>>> >intellectual hot debates all the time. Kamal, me, Ramgopal, Dilip,
>>>>> Chandan,
>>>>> >Wahid and many others are friends, and actually many of us live in
>>>>> same
>>>>> city
>>>>> >Houston as friends. But in hot issues we do heated debates and try to
>>>>> thrash
>>>>> >out truths for the sake of the community. We understand that sometime
>>>>> the
>>>>> >truths hurt.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >When Kamal wrote us as 'neophyte historians' we do not take it
>>>>> personally.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >When I wrote, "There are many ignorant educated people in Assam."
>>>>> >Or " There are again some educated intellectuals with different
>>>>> agendas."
>>>>> >
>>>>> >It is same as the statement "There are many educated corrupt people
>>>>> in
>>>>> >Assam".
>>>>> >I am sure that statement would not mean that all the people of Assam
>>>>> are
>>>>> >corrupt by any stretch of imagination. On the other hand if I make
>>>>> this
>>>>>
>>>> >>> >statement, many will support me.
>>
>>> >These do not anyway mean that we are blaming all the people of Assam.
>>>>> Nor
>>>>> >does it mean that people living outside Assam are superior or better.
>>>>> Many
>>>>> >from Assam take part here. We never write thinking the people of
>>>>> Assam
>>>>> as
>>>>> >different from us.
>>>>> >I wrote I wrote in similar vein.
>>>>> >I am sorry if I somehow hurt yours or anybody's feeling. But frankly
>>>>> >speaking that is the flavor and beauty of Assam net.
>>>>> >The net is doing a great service to the Assamese community for many
>>>>> many
>>>>> >years now..
>>>>> >I also want to clarify that this is not Friends of Assam net which is
>>>>> >different. You may be confused for some reason.
>>>>> >Regards
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Rajen Barua
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >From: Choudhary, H. N. - AMW - MUM
>>>>>
>>>> >>> >Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:29 AM
>>
>>> >To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
>>>>> world
>>>>> >Cc: rc2559 at columbia.edu
>>>>>
>>>>> > >Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Dear All,
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Having read the mails and communications on the subject "about the
>>>>> name
>>>>> >of Assam",
>>>>> >
>>>>> >I feel that the debate on the subject has become acrimonious and
>>>>> >somewhat personal.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >No one can clam fame to become a historian overnight by writing an
>>>>> >article on a historical topic. It is also not appropriate to call
>>>>> them
>>>>> >"neophyte historians" as they may not deserve the accolade.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >If I have to give my comments on the following remarks:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >"There are many ignorant educated people in Assam. There are again
>>>>> some
>>>>> >educated intellectuals with different agendas."
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >-- I will like to reserve my comments.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Please exercise restraint and caution on commenting poorly on the
>>>>> whole
>>>>> >of Assam or Assamese people.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Your geographical location outside Assam (in USA or elsewhere) does
>>>>> not
>>>>> >confer the right to make un-parliamentary
>>>>> >
>>>>> >comments on the people in Assam.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >These are sensitive issues.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >I am a recent addition to the group.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >I have served for many years in the Army and now in an Indian
>>>>> corporate.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Having he advantage to experienced the best traditions of our culture
>>>>> >and a mix of British culture,
>>>>> >
>>>>> >I could suggest that views and opinions need not "hurt" anyone.
>>>>> Please
>>>>> >show tolerance.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >If we follow that in the Friends of Assam, we will remain friends.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >I request both parties to cool off.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >There is too much heat at the moment.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Regards,
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Col Hemen N Choudhary
>>>>> >
>>>>> >W Sea Face
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Mumbai
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >-----Original Message-----
>>>>> >From: assam-bounces at assamnet.org [mailto:assam-bounces at assamnet.org]
>>>>> On
>>>>> >Behalf Of Rajen Barua
>>>>> >Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 6:51 PM
>>>>> >To: assamnet
>>>>> >Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Why would Mr Wahid confront anybody?
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >What Prof Amalendu Gauha wrote about 'Ha-Sam' was not based on his
>>>>> own
>>>>> >research work. He simply borrowed the writing from Mr Baden Powell
>>>>> even
>>>>> >without quoting Mr Powell. I also wrote about the word 'Ha-Sam' in my
>>>>> >article but I quoted Mr Baden Powell. Also Prof Guha was writing
>>>>> based
>>>>> >on his communistic outlook, not much as history of the word Assam.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >There are
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Let people read Mr. Wahid's writings and confront him if they have
>>>>> any
>>>>> >problem.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Rajen Barua
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:03:37 -0500
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> From: kjit.deka at gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>> >>> >
>>
>>> >> To: assam at assamnet.org
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> Subject: [Assam] About the name Assam
>>>>> >
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> I am wondering what prevents Mr.Saleh from confronting people like
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> Prof.Priyam Goswami of Gauhati University or Prof.Amalendu Guha
>>>>> with
>>>>> >his
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> newly-found Dutch document which will certainly make them
>>>>> >laughter-evoking
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> buffoons for being so ignorant about Assam's history ?
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> KJD
>>>>> >
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>>>>> >
>>>>> >Message: 8
>>>>> >Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:04:05 -0500
>>>>> >From: "Rajen & Ajanta Barua" <barua25 at hotmail.com>
>>>>> >Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
>>>>> >To: "A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
>>>>> > world" <assam at assamnet.org>
>>>>> >Message-ID: <BLU104-DS25A6D9ADC864C80E6C489AD980 at phx.gbl>
>>>>> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-13"
>>>>>
>>>>> > >
>>>>
>>>> >That is exactly what I wrote in my article with more elaboration of
>>>>> the
>>>>> word
>>>>> >"Acam". I however don't buy the last statement of Banikanta Kakopty',
>>>>> >"which ultimately took the Sanskritized form "Asama", meaning
>>>>> "unequalled,
>>>>> >peerless or uneven" [*Banikanta Kakati: "Assamese: Its Formation and
>>>>> >Development", p2*]"
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Where this Sanskrit came from?
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Bottomline, the word ASSAM does not have any vestiges of colonial
>>>>> rule.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >The words OXOM and AHOM came from the Assamese word ACAM
>>>>> >
>>>>> >I am not writing anything new. People simply need to read history
>>>>> books
>>>>> and
>>>>> >find out the truth.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >It is a myth that ASSAM word is derived from OXOM.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Rajen Barua
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >From: kamal deka
>>>>> >Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 5:46 PM
>>>>> >To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
>>>>> world
>>>>> >Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >According to historian Satyendra Nath Sarma, [*Sarma, Satyendra Nath
>>>>> (1976)
>>>>> >"Assamese Literature", Harrassowitz, Wiesbaden.*]
>>>>> >
>>>>> >While the Shan invaders called themselves Tai, they came to be
>>>>> referred
>>>>> to
>>>>> >as "?s?m", "?sam" and sometimes as "Acam" by the indigenous people of
>>>>> the
>>>>> >country. The modern Assamese word "?hom" by which the Tai people are
>>>>> known
>>>>> >is derived from "?s?m" or "?sam". The epithet applied to the Shan
>>>>> conquerors
>>>>> >was subsequently transferred to the country over which they ruled and
>>>>> thus
>>>>> >the name K?mar?pa was replaced by ?s?m, which ultimately took the
>>>>> >Sanskritized form "Asama", meaning "unequalled, peerless or uneven"
>>>>> >[*Banikanta
>>>>> >Kakati: "Assamese: Its Formation and Development", p2*]
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Dilip and Dil Deka
>>>>> ><dilipdeka at yahoo.com>wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> The debaters on this subject are looking at only two facets - the
>>>>> Tai-Ahom
>>>>> >> connection and the possible Sanskritization. There is a third one
>>>>> to
>>>>> look
>>>>> >> at. The Bodo-Kacharis have been in Assam longer than anyone else
>>>>> and
>>>>> their
>>>>> >> people are spread all over Assam.
>>>>> >> What did they call the land? Many rivers in Assam still have their
>>>>> Bodo
>>>>> >> names.
>>>>> >> What did they call the Tais who came to Assam in the 13th century?
>>>>> >> Is there "xo" sound in Bodo language?
>>>>> >> It is very possible that some words in Bodo were at the root of
>>>>>
>>>> >>> "Oxom",
>>
>>> > > "Assam", "Asom" or whatever else. Please do not throw away Dr. A.
>>>>> Guha
>>>>> or
>>>>> >> Baden Powell(is that the name?) yet.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I don't know a word of Bodo language. Could someone who knows Bodo
>>>>> comment
>>>>> >> on the above?
>>>>> >> I did go to the website http://www.bodoland.org/language1.htm and
>>>>> found
>>>>> >> some interesting words but not much that would help the debate.
>>>>> >> Dilip Deka
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> ________________________________
>>>>> >> From: Rajen Barua <barua25 at hotmail.com>
>>>>> >> To: assamnet <assam at assamnet.org>
>>>>> >> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 8:21:13 AM
>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Why would Mr Wahid confront anybody?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>>
>>>> >>> >> What Prof Amalendu Gauha wrote about 'Ha-Sam' was not based on
>> his
>>
>>> own
>>>>> >> research work. He simply borrowed the writing from Mr Baden Powell
>>>>> even
>>>>> >> without quoting Mr Powell. I also wrote about the word 'Ha-Sam' in
>>>>> my
>>>>> >> article but I quoted Mr Baden Powell. Also Prof Guha was writing
>>>>> based
>>>>> on
>>>>> >> his communistic outlook, not much as history of the word Assam.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> There are many ignorant educated people in Assam. There are again
>>>>> some
>>>>> >> educated intellectuals with different agendas.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Let people read Mr. Wahid's writings and confront him if they have
>>>>> any
>>>>> >> problem.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Rajen Barua
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> > Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:03:37 -0500
>>>>> > > > From: kjit.deka at gmail.com
>>>>> >> > To: assam at assamnet.org
>>>>> >> > Subject: [Assam] About the name Assam
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > I am wondering what prevents Mr..Saleh from confronting people
>>>>> like
>>>>> >> > Prof.Priyam Goswami of Gauhati University or Prof.Amalendu Guha
>>>>> with
>>>>> his
>>>>> >> > newly-found Dutch document which will certainly make them
>>>>>
>>>>> > >> laughter-evoking
>>>>
>>>> >> > buffoons for being so ignorant about Assam's history ?
>>>>> >> > KJD
>>>>> >> > _______________________________________________
>>>>> >> > assam mailing list
>>>>> >> > assam at assamnet.org
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>>>>> >>
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>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >------------------------------
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Message: 9
>>>>> >Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:37:36 -0500
>>>>> >From: "Rajen & Ajanta Barua" <barua25 at hotmail.com>
>>>>> >Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
>>>>> >To: "A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
>>>>> > world" <assam at assamnet.org>
>>>>> >Message-ID: <BLU104-DS2A75BE0FC0A139348BB75AD980 at phx.gbl>
>>>>> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Bodo is a Tibeto-Burman language. So far I know no Tibeto Burman
>>>>> language
>>>>> >has the XO sound which is an Indo-European sound.
>>>>> >The Bodo might have taken some Assamese words and might now pronounce
>>>>> the
>>>>> XO
>>>>> >sound. This I donot know for sure. The Bodos were in Assam for about
>>>>> 3000
>>>>> >years.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >I have a small book, written in Assamese titled "Boro Bhaxa Xikhya"
>>>>> by
>>>>> Mr
>>>>> >Sanokyo Brohmo.
>>>>> >The book does tell how to pronounce the Assamese letters, that is XO
>>>>> as
>>>>> SO
>>>>> >or XO?.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Mr Baden Powel claims that the Bodo has the word "Ha-com" which mean
>>>>> low
>>>>> or
>>>>> >level land. He states, " The name Assam is most probably traceable to
>>>>> the
>>>>> >Boro 'Ha-Com' which mean low or level country. The Boro word for
>>>>> water
>>>>>
>>>> >>> (di)
>>
>>> >has remained in the names of the rivers e.g. Dihong etc". "The Indian
>>>>> >Village Community" by Baden Powel (page 135).
>>>>> >
>>>>> >I could not find the any Boro word 'Ha-Com' in the above book.
>>>>> However
>>>>> the
>>>>> >book has the word Ha which mean land. There is also a word 'Com'
>>>>> (that
>>>>> is
>>>>> >Som) which mean time. So we donot get anywhere. Even if we take Baden
>>>>> >Powel's word, it again simply mean that Acam or Asam word is a local
>>>>> >Assamese word and that it is earlier than Oxom. It also mean that
>>>>> Acam/Asam
>>>>> >or Assam is not an anglicised word.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Note, we will have to take the outside historians of Assam with a
>>>>> grain
>>>>> of
>>>>> >salt because the same Baden Powel wrote in the same book the
>>>>> following
>>>>> >statement>
>>>>>
>>>> >>> >"The local dialect, Assamese, is a comparatively recent
>> modification of
>>
>>> >Bengali"
>>>>> >This how much this famous historian knows about Assam and the
>>>>> Assamese.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >After reading Gait and many other history books on Assam, I find one
>>>>> >Assamese historian who wrote a really good autentic history of Assam.
>>>>> He
>>>>> is
>>>>> >P.C. Choudhury (The Histroy of the Civilisation of the People of
>>>>> Assam).
>>>>> >Anybody who wants to know about the past history of Assam should read
>>>>> it.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >For our cultural past, one should read Dimbeswar Neog.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Rajen Barua
>>>>> >
>>>>> >From: Dilip and Dil Deka
>>>>> >Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 10:57 AM
>>>>> >To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
>>>>> world
>>>>> >Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >The debaters on this subject are looking at only two facets - the
>>>>> Tai-Ahom
>>>>> >connection and the possible Sanskritization. There is a third one to
>>>>> look
>>>>> >at. The Bodo-Kacharis have been in Assam longer than anyone else and
>>>>> their
>>>>> >people are spread all over Assam.
>>>>> >What did they call the land? Many rivers in Assam still have their
>>>>> Bodo
>>>>> >names.
>>>>> >What did they call the Tais who came to Assam in the 13th century?
>>>>> >Is there "xo" sound in Bodo language?
>>>>> >It is very possible that some words in Bodo were at the root of
>>>>> "Oxom",
>>>>> >"Assam", "Asom" or whatever else. Please do not throw away Dr. A.
>>>>> Guha
>>>>> or
>>>>> >Baden Powell(is that the name?) yet.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >I don't know a word of Bodo language. Could someone who knows Bodo
>>>>> comment
>>>>>
>>>>> > >on the above?
>>>>
>>>> >I did go to the website http://www.bodoland.org/language1.htm and
>>>>> found
>>>>> some
>>>>> >interesting words but not much that would help the debate.
>>>>> >Dilip Deka
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >________________________________
>>>>> >From: Rajen Barua <barua25 at hotmail.com>
>>>>> >To: assamnet <assam at assamnet.org>
>>>>> >Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 8:21:13 AM
>>>>> >Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Why would Mr Wahid confront anybody?
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >What Prof Amalendu Gauha wrote about 'Ha-Sam' was not based on his
>>>>> own
>>>>> >research work. He simply borrowed the writing from Mr Baden Powell
>>>>> even
>>>>> >without quoting Mr Powell. I also wrote about the word 'Ha-Sam' in my
>>>>> >article but I quoted Mr Baden Powell. Also Prof Guha was writing
>>>>> based
>>>>> on
>>>>> >his communistic outlook, not much as history of the word Assam.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >There are many ignorant educated people in Assam. There are again
>>>>> some
>>>>> >educated intellectuals with different agendas.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Let people read Mr. Wahid's writings and confront him if they have
>>>>> any
>>>>> >problem.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Rajen Barua
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:03:37 -0500
>>>>> >> From: kjit..deka at gmail.com
>>>>> >> To: assam at assamnet.org
>>>>> >> Subject: [Assam] About the name Assam
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I am wondering what prevents Mr.Saleh from confronting people like
>>>>> >> Prof.Priyam Goswami of Gauhati University or Prof.Amalendu Guha
>>>>> with
>>>>> his
>>>>> >> newly-found Dutch document which will certainly make them
>>>>> laughter-evoking
>>>>>
>>>> >>> >> buffoons for being so ignorant about Assam's history ?
>>
>>> >> KJD
>>>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>>>> >> assam mailing list
>>>>> >> assam at assamnet.org
>>>>> >> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
>>>>> >_______________________________________________
>>>>> >assam mailing list
>>>>> >assam at assamnet.org
>>>>> >http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
>>>>> >_______________________________________________
>>>>> >assam mailing list
>>>>> >assam at assamnet.org
>>>>> >http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >------------------------------
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Message: 10
>>>>> >Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 22:31:03 -0500
>>>>> >From: kamal deka <kjit.deka at gmail.com>
>>>>> >Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
>>>>>
>>>> >>> >To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
>>
>>> > world <assam at assamnet.org>
>>>>> >Message-ID:
>>>>> > <7b43066c0903162031i3398f79chb4aff0de6b0a7870 at mail.gmail.com>
>>>>> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>>>> >
>>>>> >I do agree
>>>>> >
>>>>> >On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Rajen & Ajanta Barua
>>>>> ><barua25 at hotmail.com>wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> Dear Choudhury:
>>>>> >> Since you are new to the Assam net, please know that in this net
>>>>> we
>>>>> >discuss
>>>>> >> and debate all kinds of intelligent intellectual issues.
>>>>> >> Please don't take anything personally in assam net. Here we do
>>>>> friendly
>>>>> >> intellectual hot debates all the time. Kamal, me, Ramgopal, Dilip,
>>>>> >Chandan,
>>>>> >> Wahid and many others are friends, and actually many of us live in
>>>>> same
>>>>> >city
>>>>> >> Houston as friends. But in hot issues we do heated debates and try
>>>>> to
>>>>> >thrash
>>>>> > > out truths for the sake of the community. We understand that
>>>>> sometime
>>>>> the
>>>>> >> truths hurt.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> When Kamal wrote us as 'neophyte historians' we do not take it
>>>>> personally.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> When I wrote, "There are many ignorant educated people in Assam."
>>>>> >> Or " There are again some educated intellectuals with different
>>>>> agendas."
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> It is same as the statement "There are many educated corrupt
>>>>> people
>>>>> in
>>>>> >> Assam".
>>>>> >> I am sure that statement would not mean that all the people of
>>>>> Assam
>>>>> are
>>>>> >> corrupt by any stretch of imagination. On the other hand if I make
>>>>> this
>>>>> >> statement, many will support me.
>>>>> >> These do not anyway mean that we are blaming all the people of
>>>>> Assam.
>>>>> Nor
>>>>> >> does it mean that people living outside Assam are superior or
>>>>> better.
>>>>> Many
>>>>> >> from Assam take part here. We never write thinking the people of
>>>>> Assam
>>>>> as
>>>>> >> different from us.
>>>>> >> I wrote I wrote in similar vein.
>>>>> >> I am sorry if I somehow hurt yours or anybody's feeling. But
>>>>> frankly
>>>>>
>>>>> > >> speaking that is the flavor and beauty of Assam net.
>>>>
>>>> >> The net is doing a great service to the Assamese community for many
>>>>> many
>>>>> >> years now.
>>>>> >> I also want to clarify that this is not Friends of Assam net which
>>>>> is
>>>>> >> different. You may be confused for some reason.
>>>>> >> Regards
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Rajen Barua
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> From: Choudhary, H. N. - AMW - MUM
>>>>> >> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:29 AM
>>>>> >> To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
>>>>> world
>>>>> > > Cc: rc2559 at columbia.edu
>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [Assam] About the name Assam
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Dear All,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Having read the mails and communications on the subject "about
>>>>> the
>>>>> name
>>>>> >> of Assam",
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I feel that the debate on the subject has become acrimonious and
>>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> ...
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