[Assam] ULFA : Demand for full autonomy of Assam/3
Chan Mahanta
cmahanta at charter.net
Fri Mar 27 18:51:08 PDT 2009
> >What could anyone expect from a ruling govt.,who choose remain recalcitrant
>in their opinion that there are no Bangladeshis in Assam!!?
*** Can these 'ruling govts' of Assam REALLY act independently,
looking after Assam's interests? Never mind WHAT political
party/parties it is composed of.
*** If YES, then the comment
"---Why then blame others?" might mean something.
But if NOT, then it has no meaning, does it?
So, what is the REALITY here? Can an Assam govt. act independently ?
ANY govt. ?
At 5:43 PM -0500 3/27/09, kamal deka wrote:
>Deja vu again! It brings me back to the same topic called " only in Assam"
>Where on earth could a person ask for a solution of a problem when the
>person himself refuses to recognise the existence of such problem?
>Yes,it could happen.It could happen only in Assam.
>A number of steps can be taken to bring the illegal infiltration down to the
>minimum.Issuance of multi-purpose identity cards/fencing the
>borders/devising efficient ways and means of detection of illegals--so on
>and so forth.
>What could anyone expect from a ruling govt.,who choose remain recalcitrant
>in their opinion that there are no Bangladeshis in Assam!!? Why then blame
>others?
>
>
>On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 8:19 AM, Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> So the big questions are ????
>>
>> Might I suggest that they are:
>>
>> A. HOW to reduce the inflow, if not stop it altogether?
>>
>> B. Distributing those already in to other parts of the country that
>> claims Assam as its colony ? Like
>> How the British took Indians to Kenya and to Fiji.
>>
>>
>> So where are the righteous Indianistas clamoring for it to be DONE?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> At 10:21 PM -0500 3/26/09, kamal deka wrote:
>>
>>> The crux of the matter is unabated massive infiltration.
>>> Alright,those who have already made their way illegally into Assam should
>>> not be displaced.But why must Assam alone shoulder the burden of
>>> harbouring
>>> tens of thousands of illegal Bangladeshis?Why can't they be distributed on
>>> proportionate basis to other states?
>>> In the light of ongoing influx,Is the solution entailing " learn to live"
>>> a defensible one ? " Learn to live with them" for how long?Till the
>>> tipping
>>> point is reached?
>>> For those who are unfamiliar with the idiom, the tipping point means any
>>> small change may not have any effect until critical mass is formed.Any
>>> change thereafter,however small,will have a dramatic effect.
>>> KJD
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Alpana B. Sarangapani <
>>> absarangapani at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I agree completely that nobody should be displaced. But new influx needs
>>>> to
>>>> be stopped.
>>>>
>>>> As long as Kashmir like situation does not occur in Assam, everybody
>>>> should
>>>> live together happily (ever after). I really mean that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 20:22:57 -0700
>>>> > From: dilipdeka at yahoo.com
>>>> > To: assam at assamnet.org
>>>> > Subject: Re: [Assam] ULFA : Demand for full autonomy of Assam/3
>>>> >
>>>> > That is true. But the first reality is whether (we) recognize that
>>>> B'deshis
>>>> > coming into Assam :
>>>> > (a) are illegal YES
>>>> > (b) Should they be sent back? YES BUT CAN YOU?
> >>> > (c) Are we comfortable having them around: because they only occupy
>>>> char
>>>> and
>>>> > useless land (where no Assamese will tread), and only take up jobs
>>>> that
>>>> no
>>>> > Assamese will do? PROBABLY NOT TODAY, TOMORROW IS ANOTHER ISSUE.
>>>> > (d) Should our "human' sensitivities go to the extent of displacing
>>>> Assamese
>>>> > from their chars, to make sure our illegal guests are comfy?
>>>> ABSOLUTELY
>>>> NOT. ARE THERE ASSAMESE SETTLERS ON CHARS? BANGLADESHIS ON THEIR ARRIVAL
>>>> > DO NOT DISPLACE LOCAL PEOPLE. THEY OCCUPY GOVT LAND. WHEN THEY SAVE
>>>> MONEY
> >>> THROUGH HARD WORK, THEY LOOK FOR BETTER PROPERTY AND THE
>>>> > LOCALS SELL TO THEM.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > ________________________________
>>>> > From: Ram Sarangapani <assamrs at gmail.com>
>>>> > To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
>>>> world <
>>>> assam at assamnet.org>
>>>> > Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 10:09:43 PM
>>>> > Subject: Re: [Assam] ULFA : Demand for full autonomy of Assam/3
>>>> >
>>>> > >It is not a question of right or wrong anymore. It is agreed that
>>>> they
>>>> do
>>>> > not have the right to encroach.
>>>> > >It is about the reality. How does Assam and the Assamese people
>>>> survive
>>>> in
>>>> > the reality of massive settlement of Bangladeshis?
>>>> >
>>>> > That is true. But the first reality is whether (we) recognize that
>>>> B'deshis
>>>> > coming into Assam :
>>>>
>>> > > (a) are illegal
>>>
>>>> > (b) Should they be sent back?
>>>> > (c) Are we comfortable having them around: because they only occupy
>>>> char
>>>> and
>>>> > useless land (where no Assamese will tread), and only take up jobs
>>>> that
>>>> no
>>>> > Assamese will do?
>>>> > (d) Should our "human' sensitivities go to the extent of displacing
>>>> Assamese
>>>> > from their chars, to make sure our illegal guests are comfy?
>>>> >
>>>> > >Are you suggesting that the settlers should be terrorized so that
>>>> they
>>>> go
>>>> > back to Bangladesh?
>>>> >
>>>> > In fact, if Assamese are not careful, people may be terrorized, but it
>>>> will
>>>> > probably be B'Deshis getting rid of Assamese from Assam.
>>>> >
>>>> > --Ram
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 9:52 PM, Dilip and Dil Deka <
>>>> dilipdeka at yahoo.com
>>>>
>>> > >wrote:
>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > > Let me butt in.
>>>> > > It is not a question of right or wrong anymore. It is agreed that
>>>> they
>>>> do
>>>> > > not have the right to encroach.
>>>> > > It is about the reality. How does Assam and the Assamese people
>>>> survive
>>>> in
>>>> > > the reality of massive settlement of Bangladeshis?
>>>> > > Are you suggesting that the settlers should be terrorized so that
>>>> they
>>>> go
>>>> > > back to Bangladesh?
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > ________________________________
>>>> > > From: kamal deka <kjit.deka at gmail.com>
>>>> > > To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from around the
>>>> world
>>>> > > <assam at assamnet..org>
>>>> > > Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 9:43:33 PM
>>>> > > Subject: Re: [Assam] ULFA : Demand for full autonomy of Assam/3
>>>> > >
>>>> > > So, you are trying to justify that since bangladeshis are landless
>>>> > > farmers,they have the the inherent right to cross the border and
>>>> grab
>>>> our
>>>> > > land.Is there any other explanation? Do tell.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 9:28 PM, Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net
>>>> >
>>>> > > wrote:
>>>> > >
>>>> > > > At 9:21 PM -0500 3/22/09, kamal deka wrote:
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >> Here is what you wrote:
>>>> > > >>
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > *** Really? Omigosh!!!
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > But wait--does that mean I made the argument attributed to me:
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > " the state of Assam is
>>>> > > >> obligated to allow them to move freely across the border and
>>>> provide
>>>> > > them
>>>> > > >> with the land for cultivation. ?
>>>> > > >>
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > *** I was explaining WHY B'deshis leave their own homeland to
>>>> unwelcome
>>>> > > > places, like Assam. It was NOT I who asked the question
>>>> > > >
> >>> > > > ",what does Assam have so much in abundance to render her so
>>>> generous?"
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Does that ring a bell?
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >>
>>>> > > >>
>>>> > > >>> "" B'deshis are overcrowded. Most of them are agrarian,
>>>> subsistence
>>>> > > >>>
>>>> > > >>>> farmers. To survive they need land. But not enough of it is
>>>> there
>>>> for
>>>> > > >>>> everyone. So they come into Assam and the contiguous regions,
>>>> because
>>>> > > >>>> there
>>>> > > >>>> still is public land where they can eke out a living. Often it
> >>> is
>>>> > > land
>>>> > > >>>> others won't settle in, like the 'chars', or other perennial
>>>> flood
>>>> > > >>>> plains.
>>>> > > >>>> OR inaccessible mountains. Whatever."
>>>> > > >>>>
>>>> > > >>>
>>>> > > >>>
>>>> > > >>>
>>>> > > >> KJD
>>>> > > >>>
>>>> > > >>>>
>>>> > > >>>>
>>>> > > >>>>
>>>> > > >>> *** Where or when did I make that statement is the big
>>>> question.
>>>> > > Perhaps
>>>> > > >>> you will point that out!
>>>> > > >>>
>>>> > > >>> *** Anyway, we are waiting with bated breath to hear how you
>>>> expect
>>>> > > the
>>>> > > >>> problem to be resolved :-).
>>>> > > >>>
>>>> > > >>>
>>>> > > >>>
>>>> > > >>>
>>>> > > >>>
>>>> > > >>> At 7:41 PM -0500 3/22/09, kamal deka wrote:
>>>> > > >>>
>>>> > > >>> Wunderbar! Congratulation! You have just hammered out a
>>>> permanent
>>>> > > >>>> solution
>>>> > > >>>> to this vexing problem.Full marks for the
>>>> explanation.Since,most
>>>> > > >>>>
>>>> > > >>> >> Bangaladeshis are rural-based landless farmers,the state of
>>>> Assam
>>>> > > is
>>>> > > >>
>>>> > > >>> obligated to allow them to move freely across the border and
>>>> provide
>>>> > > >>>> them
>>>> > > >>>>
>>>> > > >>> >> with the land for cultivation.
>>>> > > >>
>>>> > > >>> Next step----do away with the Immigration service from the face
>>>> of
>>>> > > this
>>>> > > >>>> earth!!
>>>>
>>> > > > >>>> I am certainly left speechless.
>>>
>>>> > > >>>>
>>>> > > >>>> On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 6:36 PM, Chan Mahanta <
>>>> cmahanta at charter.net>
>>>> > > >>>> wrote:
>>>> > > >>>>
>>>> > > >>>> At 4:43 PM -0500 3/22/09, kamal deka wrote:
>>>> > > >>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>> >> T he theory of " privation of Bangadeshis" propounded by
>>>> you
>>>> > > really
>>>> > > >>>>>
>>>> > > >>>> tops
>>>> > > >>>> >> my
>>>> > > >>>>
>>>> > > >>>> hilarity chart.Or was it an attempt on your part to slip a
>>>> levity
>>>> > > into
>>>> > > >>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>> the
>>>> > > >>>>>> discussion!
>>>> > > >>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>> **** Glad I could provide something where you could find
>>>> humor.
>>>> The
>>>> > > >>>>> tenor
>>>> > > >>>>> was getting awfully strident.
>>>> > > >>>>> But I was entirely serious. People do not stream into
>>>> unwelcome
>>>>
>>> > > > >>>>> environments unless there is an overwhelming need. B'deshis
>>> are
>>>
>>>> > > >>>>> overcrowded. Most of them are agrarian, subsistence farmers.
>>>> To
>>>> > > >>>>> survive
>>>> > > >>>>> they
>>>> > > >>>>> need land. But not enough of it is there for everyone. So
>>>> they
>>>> come
>>>> > > >>>>> into
>>>> > > >>>>> Assam and the contiguous regions, because there still is
>>>> public
>>>> land
>>>> > > >>>>> where
>>>> > > >>>>> they can eke out a living. Often it is land others won't
>>>> settle
>>>> in,
>>>> > > >>>>> like
>>>> > > >>>>> the
>>>> > > >>>>> 'chars', or other perennial flood plains. OR inaccessible
>>>> mountains.
>>>> > > >>>>> Whatever.
>>>> > > >>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>> B'deshi privation is not a THEORY. It is a fact. And I won't
>>>> make
>>>> > > fun
>>>> > > >>>>> of
>>>> > > >>>>> human beings struggling to survive, even though they may not
>>>> be
>>>> my
>>>> > > >>>>> people.
>>>> > > >>>>> My first and foremost identity is the human one, like it
>>>> should
>>>> be
>>>> > > for
>>>> > > >>>>> all
>>>> > > >>>>> of us. The world would be a better place when it is so..
>>>> > > >>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>> >The old saying ' an enemy within home is more treacherous
> >>> and
>>>> > > >>>>> pernicious
>>>> > > >>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>> than the one without" can be applied appropiately to our
>>>> present-day
>>>> > > >>>>>> politicians.Why then blame others?
>>>> > > >>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>> >>>>
>>>> > > >>
>>>> > > >>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>> **** OK, fair enough. So how are you planning or hoping to
>>>> get
>>>> rid
>>>> > > of
>>>> > > >>>>> the
>>>> > > >>>>> enemy -within and replace it with whom you can find common
>>>> cause?
>>>> > > >>>>> Where
>>>> > > >>>>> does
>>>> > > >>>>> the enemy-within gets its power from?
> >>> > > >>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>> **** I looked for the solution, recommendations. But there
>>>> was
>>>> none.
>>>> > > >>>>> Is
>>>> > > >>>>> it
>>>> > > >>>>> because you cannot imagine it or do you want somebody else to
>>>> find
>>>> > > it
>>>> > > >>>>> for
>>>> > > >>>>> you :-)?
>>>> > > >>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>> Why on earth should anyone expect an Assamese to burn
>>>> midnight
>>>> oil
>>>> > > >>>>> thinking
>>>> > > >>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>> about " privation of Bangadeshis",while he himself deals
>>>> with
>>>> the
>>>> > > >>>>>> human
>>>> > > >>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>> >>>> vagaries for years?
>>>> > > >>
>>>> > > >>> What can one expect from the state govt.whose very chief
>>>> minister
>>>> (
>>>> > > >>>>>> read
>>>> > > >>>>>> Tarun Gogoi ) once said that the Congress is opposed to the
>>>> > > harassing
>>>> > > >>>>>> of
>>>> > > >>>>>> genuine Indian citizens in the name of scrapping the IMDT
>>>> Act,
>>>> and
>>>> > > >>>>>> that
>>>> > > >>>>>> the
>>>> > > >>>>>> detection of foreigners should not be left to the whims of
>>>> police
>>>> > > >>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>> >> officers.
>>>> > > >>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>
>>>> > > >>>> Quite right,Mr.Chief minister-it should be left to the
>>>> machinations
>>>> > > of
>>>> > > >>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>> vote-bank politicians!!! Yet, after a couple of decades,the
>>>> apex
>>>> > > >>>>>> court
>>>> > > >>>>>> of
>>>> > > >>>>>> India had flushed that piece of Black legislation down the
>>>> commode
>>>> > > >>>>>> because
>>>> > > >>>>>> it was not Constitutional.
>>>> > > >>>>>> The old saying ' an enemy within home is more treacherous
>>>> and
>>>> > > >>>>>> pernicious
>>>> > > >>>>>> than the one without" can be applied appropiately to our
>>>>
>>> > > > present-day
>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>> politicians.Why then blame others?
>>>> > > >>>>>> Have the Americans been able to stem the flow illegal
>>>> immigrants?
>>>> > > >>>>>> No,they
>>>> > > >>>>>> haven't.But they,unlike us,don't live in a cloud-cuckoo-
>>>> land.The
>>>> > > >>>>>> Americans
>>>> > > >>>>>> are not sitting idly thinking that the problem will vamoose
>>>> by
>>>> > > itself
>>>> > > >>>>>> one
>>>> > > >>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>> >> fine day.
>>>> > > >>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>
>>>> > > >>>> WHERE ARE RAJEN KOKAIDEW/SALEH KOKADEW/SARANGAPANI? WHAT'S
>>>> YOUR
>>>> TAKE
>>>> > > ON
>>>> > > >>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>> THIS?
>>>> > > >>>>>> Kamal
>>>> > > >>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>> On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Chan Mahanta <
>>>> > > cmahanta at charter.net>
>>>> > > >>>>>> wrote:
>>>> > > >>>>>>
>>>>
>>> > > > >>>>>>
>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>> At 9:31 AM -0500 3/22/09, kamal deka wrote:
>>>> > > >>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>> One should stuff that " privation of Bangladeshis" argument
>>>> where
>>>> > > >>>>>>> the
>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>> sun
>>>> > > >>>>>>>> does not shine.
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>> *** OK , so it be placed! Question then would be if they
>>>> come to
>>>> > > >>>>>>> Assam
>>>> > > >>>>>>> for its generosity? Is that it?
>>>> > > >>>>>>> Is it a believable proposition? I do realize however that
>>>> it
>>>> is
>>>> > > a
>>>> > > >>>>>>> hyperbole train that has gone a couple of stations too far
>>>> :-).
>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>
> >>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>> I don't yet comprehend the issue at work here.One,what is
>>>> the
>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>> meaning of "illegal"?I had thought that it was something
>>>> not
>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>> sanctioned
>>>> > > >>>>>>>> by
>>>> > > >>>>>>>> the laws of any sovereign state.Two,are we supposed to sit
>>>> back
>>>> > > and
>>>> > > >>>>>>>> twiddle
>>>> > > >>>>>>>> our thumbs while the illegals outnumber us?
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>> *** No that is not the ONLY interpretation of the notion I
> >>> put
>>>> > > >>>>>>> forth.
>>>> > > >>>>>>> But
>>>> > > >>>>>>> let us tackle the question:
>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>> "--are we supposed to sit back and twiddle our thumbs while
>>>> the
>>>> > > >>>>>>> illegals
>>>> > > >>>>>>> outnumber us? "
>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>> Since I don't have a neat little answer like 'round them up
>>>> and
>>>> > > >>>>>>> kick-them
>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>> > out' or anything akin to that, what IS your solution?
>>>> What
>>>> do
>>>> > > you
>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>> propose
>>>> > > >>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>> or recommend be done? And WHY is it not being done the way
>>>> you
>>>> see
>>>> > > as
>>>> > > >>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>> the
>>>> > > >>>>>>> right way ? Or WHO do you think or expect WILL do it your
>>>> way?
>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>> To day,my mother,brother and I
>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>> occupy a house in a plot of land.Tomorrow,if Martians took
>>>> over
>>>> > > the
>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>> >> remaining part of the land,we will be living in that
>>>> > > compressed
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>> space.Why
>>>> > > >>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>> should anyone allow that to happen?
>>>> > > >>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>> *** Very touching argument no doubt. Even though I would
>>>> like
>>>> to
>>>> > > >>>>>>> pretend
>>>> > > >>>>>>> to be left speechless, dare I mention that the law of the
>>>> land
>>>> > > ought
>>>> > > >>>>>>> not
>>>> > > >>>>>>> to
>>>> > > >>>>>>> allow such trespass and confiscation of your ancestral
>>>> property?
>>>> > > Or
>>>> > > >>>>>>> is
>>>> > > >>>>>>> that
>>>> > > >>>>>>> too much to ask from the mighty Indian democracy as
>>>> practised
>>>> by
>>>> > > its
>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>> >>>>> minions
>>>> > > >>
>>>> > > >>> in Assam?
>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>> Obviously the problem is a tad bit more complicated, isn't
>>>> it?
>>>> So
>>>> > > >>>>>>> the
>>>> > > >>>>>>> question the thinking person must raise is HOW to control
>>>> the
>>>> > > >>>>>>> influx,
>>>> > > >>>>>>> so
>>>> > > >>>>>>> that the immigrants cannot take over the land, or become
>>>> part
>>>>
>>> > of
>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>> the
>>>> > > >>>>>>> voting
>>>> > > >>>>>>> citizenry, while still being able to come and perform
>>>> seasonal
>>>> or
>>>> > > >>>>>>> otherwise
>>>> > > >>>>>>> limited time span services for which there IS a DEMAND? For
>>>> IF
>>>> > > there
>>>> > > >>>>>>> was
>>>> > > >>>>>>> no
>>>> > > >>>>>>> such demand, the rate of migration would not be as strong.
>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>> Indian govt. knows it too, as do its minions in Assam. But
>>>> WHAT
>>>> > > have
>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>> >>>>> they
>>>> > > >>
>>>> > > >>> done about it? Can anyone in his right mind even hold out a
>>>> remote
>>>> > > >>>>>>> hope
>>>> > > >>>>>>> they will, if they had not lifted a finger in all these
>>>> decades?
>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>> That is WHY Assam needs independence--or at least a full
>>>>
>>> > autonomy,
>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>> to
>>>> > > >>>>>>> put
>>>> > > >>>>>>> in place a SUSTAINABLE system that will stanch the flow,
>>>> even
>>>> > > >>>>>>> though
>>>> > > >>>>>>> we
>>>> > > >>>>>>> know it cannot be entirely stopped.
> >>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>> Of course, there must be some checks and balances.It is the
>>>> > > bounden
>>>> > > >>>>>>> duty
>>>> > > >>>>>>> of
>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>> the state govt.to ferret out such infiltrators.If ration
>>>> cards
>>>> > > and
>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>> voters
>>>> > > >>>>>>>> identity cards can be issued to those illegal aliens to
>>>> enrich
>>>> > > >>>>>>>> their
>>>> > > >>>>>>>> vote-bank,why can't they issue multi-purpose identity
> >>> cards
>>>> > > >>>>>>>> especially
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>> >>>> in
>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>> the border regions?
>>>> > > >>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>> Assam is already overpopulated,can she afford added burdens
>>>> ?
>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>> *** Why don't you tell us ? And see above.
>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>> By the way,the Americans had the harshest immigration
>>>> policy
>>>> till
>>>> > > >>>>>>> 1962.
>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>> *** And has it stemmed the influx of illegal immigrants?
>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Chan Mahanta <
>>>> > > cmahanta at charter.net
>>>> > > >>>>>>> >
>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>> wrote:
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>> At 8:09 PM -0500 3/21/09, kamal deka wrote:
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>> To compare Assam with the USA as far as immigration issue
>>>> is
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> concerned,will
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> be as good as comparing apples with oysters..
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> *** Not at all!
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> The failure on part of the USA
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> to curb the influx of illegals does not mean that Assam
>>>> should
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> allow
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Bangladeshis to cross the border freely till the
>>>> indigenous
>>>> > > people
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> are
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> completely outnumbered.If the vast, resourceful and
>>>> thinly
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> populated
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> countries like the USA and Australia can have stringent
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> immigration
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> laws,
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> *** Of course they can and they do have stringent
>>>> immigration
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> laws.
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> But
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> then why is there such a huge illegal immigration problem
>>>> in
>>>> the
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> USA?
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Australia is different--the oceans surrounding it makes
>>>> illegal
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> border
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > crossing difficult .
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>> > > > >>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> what does Assam have so much in abundance to render her
>>>> so
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> generous?
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> **** It is not about Assam's abundance but B'Desh's
>>>> privation.
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> That
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> simple.
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Assam and the contiguous
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> region still has land and that is a huge incentive to
>>>> migrate
>>>> > > for
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> those
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> who
> >>> > > >>>>>>>>> have none.
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> There must be checks and balances.
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> **** Tell us about it. So how has India performed on
>>>>
>>> > delivering
>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> on
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> those
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> checks and balances so far?
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
> >>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Dilip and Dil Deka <
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> dilipdeka at yahoo.com
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> >wrote:
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> For whatever it is worth, this letter from Chandan
>>>> Mahanta
>>>> has
>>>> > > my
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> support..
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> I have been trying to convey the same message over the
>>>> years.
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> * Holding onto the guns with a sullen
>>>> face
>>>> and
>>>> > > >> not talking
>>>> > > >>
>>>> > > >>> to
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> anyone
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> including the people in Assam will not result in a
>>>> solution.
>>>> > > >>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>> Persistent
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >>> discussion and deliberation are the only viable
>>>> paths.
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> * It is impossible to seal a border where natural
>>>> > > barriers
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> do
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> not
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> exist. Assam will have to learn to live with the
>>>> Bangladeshi
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> problem
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> even if
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> >>>> Assam becomes autonomous or a sovereign country.
>>>> > > >>
>>>> > > >>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> From: Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at charter.net>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> To: A Mailing list for people interested in Assam from
>>>> around
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> world
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> assam at assamnet.org>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Cc: ulfa.protalk at gmail.com
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 8:34:21 AM
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Assam] ULFA : Demand for full autonomy of
>>>> > > Assam/3
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Dear Friends:
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> During the past several years, we here in assamnet
>>>> debated
>>>> > > over
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> over again, your movement and your struggles for an
>>>> > > independent
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Assam. Over the years it became abundantly clear to me
>>>> that
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> most
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> our friends here in this forum, in spite of their
>>>> training,
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> education
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> and accomplishments, are quite uninformed about the
>>>> reasons
>>>> > > for
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> taking to arms in pursuit of independence for Assam.
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >We the pro-talk group
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >temporarily suspending the armed struggle & strongly
>>>> > > advocating
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> demand
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >democratic process to bring a peaceful and political
>>>> solution
>>>>
>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >Assam-India's conflict and clashes between the ethnic
>>>> groups
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> and
> >>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> build
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>> up
>>>> > > >>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>> >a peaceful and prosperous Assam along with a united
>>>> powerful
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> India.
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> **** Here it is important for you to explain why and
>>>> how
>>>> > > Indian
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> democracy has not performed , how your successive
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> 'democratically'
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> elected governments were neither responsive nor able to
> >>> > > respond
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> your needs that ultimately led you to give up on the
>>>>
>>> > promise
>>>
>>>> > > of
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Indian democracy and finally, out of desperation , led
>>>> to
>>>> your
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> taking
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> to arms.
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Why it is important to explain is that MOST of our
>>>> people
>>>> are
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> quite
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> ignorant of these issues. The idea is to generate
>>>> awareness
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> among
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>> > the population and to mobilize INFORMED public opinion.
>>>> > > >>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> I realize it is a lot of work. But there is no short-cut
>>>> to
>>>> it.
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> **** You wrote about "temporarily suspending the armed
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> struggle--".
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Does that mean that you might
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> return to armed struggle? If so, should you not also
>>>> explain
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> under
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> what circumstances you may consider resorting to armed
>>>> > > struggle?
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> That should send a signal to GoI and GoA that you are
>>>> serious
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> your wish to attempt to forge a political solution, but
>>>> if
>>>> it
>>>> > > is
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > frustrated or resisted by the governments in power,
>>>> you
>>>> may
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> return to the armed struggle, which, by all indications
>>>> the
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> people
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> of
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> Assam ( the thinking ones anyway) do not want.
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Not that I am one who believes in threatening anyone as
>>>> a
>>>> good
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> way
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> start a negotiation for attaining a political solution
>>>> to
>>>> a
>>>> > > long
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> enduring conflict. But considering the history of your
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> adversaries'
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> sincerity and their ability or willingness to effect
>>>> political
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> administrative reforms that are direly needed in Assam
>>>> and
>>>> the
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> surrounding region, you have little leverage
>>>> left to
>>>> > > >> engage them
>>>> > > >>
>>>> > > >>> in
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> serious dialogue, other than a concern for a resumption
>>>> of
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> violence,
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >>> however feeble now.
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> The only hope for something positive and constructive
>>>> will
>>>> be an
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> outpouring of public opinion. That could be effected if
>>>> you
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> clearly
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> explain what you see as the problems and how they
>>>> could
>>>> be
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> resolved
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> by what you propose.
> >>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>
>>>> > > >>> As you have already noticed right in this forum, there will
>>>> be
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> those
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> who will opposed anything that they perceive as
>>>> reducing
>>>> > > Indian
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> controls over Assam's future, including contradicting
>>>>
>>> > their
>>>
>>>> > > own
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> loudly proclaimed and roundly repeated positions. And
>>>> they
>>>> are
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> the tips of the icebergs of the establishment in
>>>> Assam,
> >>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> something you
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>> must be well aware of.
>>>> > > >>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Therefore it is of critical importance for you to :
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> A: Clearly spell out what you see as problems, item
>>>> by
>>>> item.
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> B: Explain how what you propose will help resolve
>>>> them.
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>> You must do so in simple language, understandable by
>>>> ordinary
>>>> > > people
>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> ( avoid the jargon of professionals). And then go
>>>> disseminate
>>>> > > it
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> among the populace. Ultimately it is a matter of
>>>> persuasion.
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> One thing you must be realistic about is the issue of
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Bangladeshis
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Assam: It is not something you, or your
>>>> ex-comrades-in-arms
>>>> > > who
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> still fighting or the government of Assam, never mind
>>>> who
>>>> is
>>>> > > in
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> power
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> on a given day; the might of the Indian armed forces
>>>> or
>>>> even
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> entire population of Assam unified to resist it will be
>>>> able
>>>> > > to
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> eradicate. It is much too complex an issue, the like
>>>> of
>>>> which
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> even
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> the most powerful nation on earth, the USA, has not
>>>> been
>>>> able
>>>> > > to
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> resolve. Ultimately we cannot and must not forget that
>>>> as
>>>> > > human
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> beings, we cannot just wish those others away who
>>>> happen
>>>> to be
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> different from us but who want to live too, even if by
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> encroaching
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> on
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>> land whose boundaries we created or imagined.
>>>> > > >>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>> If you dwell on this as the primary focus of your aims for
>>>> Assam,
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> are doomed at the outset. I realize it is an easy issue
>>>> to
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> generate
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> public ire with, but it is a recipe for sure failure.
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> You must focus on issues that are very important but
>>>> which
>>>> > > have
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> achievable solutions..
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Feel free to call on me if I can be of any assistance.
>>>> I
>>>> am no
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> expert, but I have tried to understand what has been
>>>> going
>>>> on
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> what led you to take up arms and what can be done now
>>>> to
>>>> end
>>>> > > it.
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> More later..
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>> Chandan Mahanta
>>>> > > >>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> At 10:59 AM +0530 3/7/09, ULFA Pro-talk wrote:
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >Dear Friends,
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >In the beginning, we convey our heartiest
>>>> revolutionary
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> greetings
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >members of Assamnet. We, the members of ULFA (
> >>> Pro-talk )
>>>> > > held
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> meeting
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >15th December'2008 and unanimously agreed to give up
>>>> the
>>>> > > demand
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>
>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >sovereign state of Assam and demand for full autonomy
>>>> within
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> framework
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >of Indian constitution, through a democratic and
>>>> non-violent
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> process.
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> We
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >welcome discussion from all the Assamese people
>>>> residing
>>>> > > across
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> the
>>>> > > >>
>>>> > > >>> globe
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >the demand for Full Autonomy of Assam under the
>>>> framework
>>>> of
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Indian
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >constitution. We are attaching herewith the 'Charter
>>>> of
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Demands'
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> submitted
>>>>
>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> >to the Government of Indi. Also, we are attaching our
>>>> > > Menifesto
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> for
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> >information of all members of Assamnet. Please log on
>>>> to
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >www.sandhikhyan.orgfor updates.
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >Looking forward for constructive discussion and
>>>> petronisation
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> the
>>>> > > >>
>>>> > > >>> burning
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >issues of Assam from all the members of Assamnet.
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >Regards,
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >Jiten Dutta
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >Gen. Secy
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >ULFA (Protalk)
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >**
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >**
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >*MANIFESTO*
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >(ULFA PRO-TALK)
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >Historically and socially, Assam have no affinity with
>>>> India
>>>> > > &
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >administratively and geographically apart, ethnically
>>>> > > distinct
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >neglect, deprivation and apathy rowards Assam and
>>>> Assamese
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> people
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >since 15thAugust 1947 to till to date, supports the
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> justification
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >independent
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> >Assam. We joined the United Liberation Front of Assam
>>>> to
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> liberate
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> Assam
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> from
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >India. After 29 years of our struggle we have
>>>> painfully
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> observed
> >>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> top
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >leaders of ULFA instead of fighting for desired goals,
>>>> failed
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> safeguard
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> >the identity and the existence of indigenous people,
>>>> > > >>>>>> overlooking or
>>>> > > >>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>> ignoring
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> >the presence of large number of illegal immigrants ( who
>>>> will
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> become
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >majority in next 20 years and they will conspire to
> >>> merge
>>>> > > with
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Bangladesh
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >through a referendum ) and involved in activities by
>>>> getting
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> distracted
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> from
>>>> > > >>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>> >revolutionaries ideologies. Therefore, we the pro-talk
>>>> ULFA
>>>> > > group
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> looking
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >at the (a) global political and economic situation (b)
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> continuous
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> threat
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >from the neighbouring countries surrounding Assam (c)
>>>>
>>> > > > possible
>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >>> terrorist
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> >attacks in Assam by anti-Indian religious and
>>>> fundamentalist
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>> groups
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> (d)
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> >age-old religious and cultural ties with India; have
>>>> adopted a
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> resolution
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >favour of Full Regional Autonomy instead of
>>>> independent
>>>> Assam
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> pragmatic
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>> >approach.
>>>> > > >>>>>
>>>>
>>> > > > >>>>>> >
>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >During the process of making the Constitution of India
>>>> a
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> resolution
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >adopted to make India a federal one by giving regional
>>>> > > autonomy
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> states
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >but unfortunately in the subsequent period it was made
>>>> a
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> centralized
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> one,
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >resulting in the smaller states and the small
>>>> indigenous
>>>> > > groups
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> having
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >specific characteristics and living with dignity have
>>>> > > suffered
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> hands
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >of big ethnic groups and states by way of aggression
>>>> and
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> exploitation.
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>> The
>>>> > > >>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>> >fallout is resentment, hostility and secessionism. We the
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> pro-talk
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> group
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >temporarily suspending the armed struggle & strongly
>>>> > > advocating
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> demand
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >democratic process to bring a peaceful and political
>>>> solution
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >Assam-India's conflict and clashes between the ethnic
>>>> groups
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> to
>>>> > > >>
>>>> > > >>> build
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> up
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >a peaceful and prosperous Assam along with a united
>>>> powerful
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> India.
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >**
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >*Alternate to Independence*
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >
> >>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >* *
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >A full regional autonomy by enjoying all the residual
>>>> powers
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> excepting
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > defense,
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >external affaires, communications and print mint ( by
>>>> making
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> vital
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> changes
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >to the existing Constitution of India ) to build up a
>>>> real
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> federal
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> structure
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >by making vital changes to the infrastructure and
>>>> > > reorganizing
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> the
>>>> > > >>
> >>> > > >>> states
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >with a provision for equal rights and representation
>>>> to
>>>> all
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> indigenous
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >ethnic groups. Similarly, in order to safeguard the
>>>> identity
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> existence
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >of indigenous and ethnic groups, the federal
>>>> administrative
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> framework
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> should
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >be used in Assam..
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >*Proposed administrative structure of Assam*
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >* *
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >To create an upper house, representing equally by all
>>>> the
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> indigenous
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >ethnic groups. Besides all indigenous people, other
>>>> people
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> those
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >already settled in Assam permanently as for example
>>>>
>>> > Bengalis,
>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Biharis,
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >Marwaris, Punjabis, Nepalis and tea-tribes will be
>>>> considered
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> ethnic
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >groups and will enjoy equal representations.
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > The upper house will be free
>>>> to
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> discuss,
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> determine
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >and taking decisions on the proposed legislations and
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> development
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> schemes
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >Assam in the best interest of the people of Assam. The
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> objective
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> principle
>>>>
>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> >of the house is to safeguard the interests of
>>> indigenous
>>>
>>>> and
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> ethnic
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > people.
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > 1. The Upper House will be constituted selecting
>>>> and
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> electing
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> number
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > representatives from all ethnic groups. Central
>>>> and
>>>> State
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> governments
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > not be having the power and rights to dissolve the
>>>> house.
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Only
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > electorates through referendum shall have the
>>>> right
>>>> to
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> reject
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> dissolve
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > the house.
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > 2. Small ethnic groups will be having the rights
>>>> to
>>>> > > select
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> > representatives through their socially
>>>> recognized
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> institutions
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>> and
>>>> > > >>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>> >>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > > organizations and the major ethnic groups will
> >>> elect
>>>> > > their
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> representatives
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> > through elections.
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > 3. All the ethnic groups shall have the right to
>>>> recall
>>>> > > or
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> replace
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> their
>>>> > > >>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>> > representatives.
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > 4. The representatives of the house will elect a
> >>> leader
>>>> and
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> deputy
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > leader. Rotation wise every ethnic group will
>>>> elect a
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> speaker
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> and
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>> a
>>>> > > >>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>> deputy
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > speaker of the house and their term will be for a
>>>> period
>>>> > > of
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> 1
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> year.
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > 5. The responsibilities of the representatives of
>>>> upper
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> house
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > service- oriented nature. There shall be no
>>>> provisions
>>>> > > for
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> salary
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > pensions but expenses relating to maintenance,
>>>> medical,
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> traveling
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > allowances, office and its maintenance and its
>>>> security
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> shall
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> >>> borne
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>> by
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> > > >>
>>>> > > >>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > the state government.
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>
>>>> > > >>>
>>>
>>> ...
>>
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