[Assam] force is effective only as a preventative
Chan Mahanta
cmahanta at gmail.com
Fri Jun 4 19:51:06 PDT 2010
On Jun 4, 2010, at 9:35 PM, kamal deka wrote:
> RS,
>
> I have oodles of adulation for the Israelis.For,the tiny
> Arab-surrounded nation has been able to storm to power by sending
> shrivers up Arab's spine.
**** Oooh! How scary :-)!
And look how it has brought peace to their lives!
> In contrast,our approach to terrorism has all
> along been tepid and timid,castrated and impotent.Our undying faith on
> ' peace process' will remain unmatched.
> KJD
> '
> On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Ram Sarangapani <assamrs at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>> **** Sushanta's view is slanted ? I'll be danged ! Coming from an
>> upstanding and righteous one like you Ram,
>>> the likes of me must be standing on our heads :-) .
>>
>> And, C'da do you also have your own version? Would like to hear
>> that too.
>> Sushanta's history is full of "bloody" Brits, imperialist this
>> terrorist
>> Israel........ all the fault of the Brits, Israel, USA, and
>> everyone else,
>> except the poor Palestinians, the Arabs.
>>
>> He starts off with a huge bias, and views the West basically as
>> imperialists
>> and of imposing their will on poorer countries.
>> Jeez, this "victim" mentality seems to be spreading like wild
>> fire :-)
>>
>> --Ram
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 3:34 PM, Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> For the rest of it, all I can say is that you seem to have a very
>>>> slanted
>>>> view of Middle East history. So be it.
>>>
>>>
>>> **** Sushanta's view is slanted ? I'll be danged ! Coming from an
>>> upstanding and righteous one like you Ram,
>>> the likes of me must be standing on our heads :-) .
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 4, 2010, at 1:34 PM, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
>>>
>>> "the Jews or the Arabs." Jews are religious group. Arab are not.
>>> Most of
>>>>>
>>>> the Arab are Muslim these
>>>>
>>>>> days, But all the Mulsims are not Arab.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for enlightening me. If you hadn't told me, I wouldn't
>>>> have known.
>>>>
>>>> Your information only establish my point that Jews didn't
>>>> achieved the
>>>>> sate
>>>>> through any legitimate struggle. Their dream based on
>>>>> mythology do not
>>>>> justify their aspiration.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The problem is .. nor can the Arabs. They too don't have an
>>>> absolute
>>>> claim.
>>>> The whole area was ruled by the Brits. The Arabs too base their
>>>> claim on
>>>> mythology. Abraham, had a child, Ishmail through his servant, and
>>>> that is
>>>> the Arab claim - also based on mythology, Old Testament and
>>>> Bibilical
>>>> narratives.
>>>>
>>>> In any case, for many centuries, both Jewish and Arabs lived
>>>> peacefully
>>>> side-by-side. In fact, even the Koran cites examples where the
>>>> Arabs often
>>>> had Jews to support them in fighting enemies.
>>>>
>>>> So, the only thing one can logically go by is recent history. I
>>>> am not
>>>> going
>>>> to talk about imperial this or imperial that - specially sitting
>>>> and
>>>> enjoying the fruits & benefits of a democracy.
>>>>
>>>> For the rest of it, all I can say is that you seem to have a very
>>>> slanted
>>>> view of Middle East history. So be it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Sushanta Kar <pragyan.tsc50 at gmail.com
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "the Jews or the Arabs."
>>>>> Jews are religious group. Arab are not. Most of the Arab are
>>>>> Muslim
>>>>> these
>>>>> days, But all the Mulsims are not Arab.
>>>>> "US/UK will exist"
>>>>> Sure ! why not! They are most developed nations of the world .
>>>>> who deny
>>>>> that!
>>>>> But, not the Imperialist! The colonialist! People of both the
>>>>> great
>>>>> country
>>>>> will fight those Ruling elite! And they are fighting.
>>>>>
>>>>> All the " ill-will toward these countries" will be there till
>>>>> date they
>>>>> earn
>>>>> all their wealth by exploiting labor, natural resources of
>>>>> third world
>>>>> countries like us.
>>>>> "The Jewish State was created by the Brits as a fallout of
>>>>> Nazi ....UK
>>>>> did
>>>>> not want Jews coming in droves into the UK, "
>>>>> Thank you for recognizing the fact. This is one among many. But
>>>>> true. cBrits pulled back
>>>>> Palestines only to save their own nation! Brits pulled back
>>>>> Palestines only to save their own nation! What a democratic value!
>>>>> And after doing all these injustice to a independent nation,
>>>>> while the
>>>>> people there fight the British ill doing, they are being marked as
>>>>> terrorist!
>>>>> What a judgment!
>>>>>
>>>>> Your information only establish my point that Jews didn't
>>>>> achieved the
>>>>> sate
>>>>> through any legitimate struggle. Their dream based on
>>>>> mythology do not
>>>>> justify their aspiration. If so then tomorrow Indonesian Hindus
>>>>> can claim
>>>>> that India is their mythical country . so they have every right
>>>>> to come
>>>>> and
>>>>> sattel down here!
>>>>>
>>>>> Sushanta
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4 June 2010 22:31, Ram Sarangapani <assamrs at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Sushanta,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> While you are certainly entitled to your views, just to put
>>>>>> things in
>>>>>> context, and without hyperbole:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Jewish State was created by the Brits as a fallout of Nazi
>>>>>> Germany's
>>>>>> attrocities in the German concentartion camps, and the fact
>>>>>> that the UK
>>>>>>
>>>>> did
>>>>>
>>>>>> not want Jews coming in droves into the UK, and add to that the
>>>>>> Jews
>>>>>> believe
>>>>>> (just like the Arabs believe) that Abraham (from the Old
>>>>>> Testament)
>>>>>> bestowed
>>>>>> the region to the Jews.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The history is murky at best to definitely claim that the
>>>>>> region belongs
>>>>>>
>>>>> to
>>>>>
>>>>>> the Jews or the Arabs. All we can go on is recent history. If
>>>>>> you want
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> start blaming one group or another, you will be doing so for a
>>>>>> long
>>>>>> time.
>>>>>> Both Arabs and Jews must find a way to live in peace.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We know this much that many don't want Israel to exist at all.
>>>>>> Well,
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> only a pipe dream. Israel will exist, just like India will
>>>>>> exist, and
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> US/UK will exist inspite of many who harbor ill-will toward these
>>>>>> countries.
>>>>>> They will exist inspite of people taking full advantage of the
>>>>>> benefits
>>>>>>
>>>>> of
>>>>>
>>>>>> language, culture, opportunities, education, advancement etc
>>>>>> offered by
>>>>>> these countries, and in return hate them and wish to do them
>>>>>> harm.
>>>>>> Unfortunately, that is the nature of the world.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --Ram da
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Sushanta Kar <pragyan.tsc50 at gmail.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear
>>>>>>> Ramda,
>>>>>>> I've tried to understand the points of the article. but failed
>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> my inability to understand the language well.
>>>>>>> All I understood is the writer has a deep sympathy with the
>>>>>>> Zionist
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> state.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Which I don't have. To my understanding it is not a legitimate
>>>>>>> state.
>>>>>>> Had there been a state for Jews being achieved after a prolong
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> freedom
>>>>>
>>>>>> struggle in Palestine like Bangladesh I would have no
>>>>>> problem. . Or I
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> will
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> have no problem with Swadhin Axom if ULFA achieve it. Because
>>>>>>> all the
>>>>>>> residence of that state would be the Khilonjiya of that newly
>>>>>>> created
>>>>>>> state.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But that was not the case with the Jews.How it would have been
>>>>>>> if all
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>> Bauddhist of the world irrespective of their languages and
>>>>>> races were
>>>>>>> being invited to come India and create an independent state
>>>>>>> in India
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> make all the Indian second grade citizen only because the
>>>>>>> religion
>>>>>>> originated here. That too under the gun of imperialist
>>>>>>> British, who
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> ruled
>>>>>
>>>>>> the country for more than two century. Israil is such a
>>>>>> country. Jew,
>>>>>>> irrespective of their languages and culture, came from whole
>>>>>>> world to
>>>>>>> create
>>>>>>> Israel out of Palestine.
>>>>>>> Israel is just like a police out post of US & British
>>>>>>> imperialist in
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oil rich middle east. A living Human Bomb created by their
>>>>>>> imperialist
>>>>>>> masters.
>>>>>>> If the world have to be free from their hegemony end
>>>>>>> exploitation (
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> sidha
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> kothat koboloi gole Tel Curir Aru Ostror Bojaror pora mukti
>>>>>>> paboloi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> gole
>>>>>
>>>>>> )
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Israel will have to go in present form. And it will go. The
>>>>>>> freedom
>>>>>>> loving
>>>>>>> world will never let Israel to leave in peace. Or It would be
>>>>>>> better to
>>>>>>> say,
>>>>>>> Israel will not let the freedom and peace loving world to
>>>>>>> leave with
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> peace
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> till it exist!
>>>>>>> Thats what My understanding. I know you will not agree!
>>>>>>> Sushanta
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4 June 2010 19:48, Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the flotilla was not about humanitarian relief but about
>>>>>>> breaking
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>> blockade,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *** so it is just to starve off the Palestians? Awesome
>>>>>>>> argument,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ain't
>>>>>
>>>>>> it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jun 4, 2010, at 9:10 AM, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear Sushanta,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As an extension to our discussions, here is a column from the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Washington
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Post. While I don't particularly agree with what Krauthammer
>>>>>>> writes,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>> particular case, he seems to get it right.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just because it is the US, the UK or Israel or the GOI or
>>>>>>>>> GOA, they
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>> the root cause of all worldly problems and issues, and those
>>>>>>>>> against
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> are always the victims.
>>>>>>>>> **
>>>>>>>>> *****Why was the offer refused? Because, as organizer Greta
>>>>>>>>> Berlin
>>>>>>>>> admitted,
>>>>>>>>> the flotilla was not about humanitarian relief but about
>>>>>>>>> breaking
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>> blockade, i.e., ending Israel's inspection regime, which would
>>>>>> mean
>>>>>>>>> unlimited shipping into Gaza and thus the unlimited arming
>>>>>>>>> of Hamas.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Israel has already **twice intercepted ships
>>>>>>>>> laden*<
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A16637-2002Jan8?language=printer
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> * with Iranian arms destined for Hezbollah and Gaza. What
>>>>>>>>>> country
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> allow that?********** (from the article)*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Now, what country interested in their safety and well-being
>>>>>>>>> turn a
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> blind
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> eye. Now, Hamas/Turkey is planning to send another
>>>>>>> "humanitarian"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ship.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>>>>> To test Israel?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The article is below.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --Ram da
>>>>>>>>> **
>>>>>>>>> *Those troublesome Jews
>>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Charles Krauthammer
>>>>>>>>> Friday, June 4, 2010; A19
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The world is outraged at Israel's blockade of Gaza. Turkey
>>>>>>>>> denounces
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> its
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> illegality<
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.mfa.gov.tr/address-by-h_e_-ahmet-davutoglu_-minister-of-foreign-affairs-of-republic-of-turkey-at-the-united-nations_-31-may-2010_-new-york.en.mfa
>>>>>
>>>>>> ,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> inhumanity, barbarity, etc. The usual U.N. suspects, Third
>>>>>>>>> World and
>>>>>>>>> European, join in. The Obama administration dithers.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But as Leslie Gelb<
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-05-31/israel-was-right-to-board-the-gaza-flotilla/
>>>>>
>>>>>> ,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> former president of the Council on Foreign Relations,
>>>>>>>>> writes, the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> blockade
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> is not just perfectly rational, it is perfectly legal. Gaza
>>>>>>>> under
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hamas
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> self-declared enemy of Israel -- a declaration backed up by
>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>
>>>>>> 4,000
>>>>>>>>> rockets fired at Israeli civilian territory. Yet having
>>>>>>>>> pledged
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> itself
>>>>>
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> unceasing belligerency, Hamas claims victimhood when Israel
>>>>>>>> imposes
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>
>>>>>> blockade to prevent Hamas from arming itself with still more
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> rockets.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In World War II, with full international legality, the
>>>>>>>>> United States
>>>>>>>>> blockaded Germany and Japan. And during the October 1962
>>>>>>>>> missile
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> crisis,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>> blockaded ("quarantined") Cuba. Arms-bearing Russian ships
>>>>>>>>> headed to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cuba
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> turned back because the Soviets knew that the U.S. Navy would
>>>>>>>> either
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> board
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> them or sink them. Yet Israel is accused of international
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> criminality
>>>>>
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> doing precisely what John Kennedy did: impose a naval
>>>>>>>> blockade to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> prevent
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> hostile state from acquiring lethal weaponry.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oh, but weren't the Gaza-bound ships on a mission of
>>>>>>>>> humanitarian
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> relief?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No. Otherwise they would have accepted Israel's offer to
>>>>>>>> bring their
>>>>>>>>> supplies to an Israeli
>>>>>>>>> port<
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israel-gaza-aid-convoy-can-unload-cargo-in-ashdod-for-inspection-1.292560
>>>>>
>>>>>> ,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> be inspected for military materiel and have the rest trucked
>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Israel
>>>>>
>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>>> Gaza -- as every week 10,000 tons of food, medicine and other
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> humanitarian
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> supplies are sent by Israel to Gaza.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why was the offer refused? Because, as organizer Greta Berlin
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> admitted,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> flotilla was not about humanitarian relief but about
>>>>>>>>> breaking the
>>>>>>>>> blockade,
>>>>>>>>> i.e., ending Israel's inspection regime, which would mean
>>>>>>>>> unlimited
>>>>>>>>> shipping
>>>>>>>>> into Gaza and thus the unlimited arming of Hamas.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Israel has already twice intercepted ships
>>>>>>>>> laden<
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A16637-2002Jan8?language=printer
>>>>>
>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Iranian arms destined for Hezbollah and Gaza. What country
>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> allow
>>>>>
>>>>>> that?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But even more important, why did Israel even have to resort to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> blockade?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Because, blockade is Israel's fallback as the world
>>>>>>> systematically
>>>>>>>>> de-legitimizes its traditional ways of defending itself --
>>>>>>>>> forward
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>
>>>>>> active defense.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (1) *Forward defense*: As a small, densely populated country
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> surrounded
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> hostile states, Israel had, for its first half-century, adopted
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> forward
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> defense -- fighting wars on enemy territory (such as the Sinai
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Golan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Heights) rather than its own.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Where possible (Sinai, for example) Israel has traded
>>>>>>>>> territory for
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> peace.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But where peace offers were refused, Israel retained the
>>>>>>>> territory
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> protective buffer zone. Thus Israel retained a small strip of
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> southern
>>>>>
>>>>>> Lebanon to protect the villages of northern Israel. And it took
>>>>>> many
>>>>>>>>> losses
>>>>>>>>> in Gaza, rather than expose Israeli border towns to
>>>>>>>>> Palestinian
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> terror
>>>>>
>>>>>> attacks. It is for the same reason America wages a grinding war
>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> Afghanistan: You fight them there, so you don't have to
>>>>>>>>> fight them
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But under overwhelming outside pressure, Israel gave it up.
>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Israelis
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> were told the occupations were not just illegal but at the
>>>>>>> root of
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>> anti-Israel insurgencies -- and therefore withdrawal, by removing
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>> cause,
>>>>>>>>> would bring peace.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Land for peace. Remember? Well, during the past decade,
>>>>>>>>> Israel gave
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> land
>>>>>>>>> -- evacuating South Lebanon in 2000 and Gaza in 2005. What
>>>>>>>>> did it
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> get?
>>>>>
>>>>>> An
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> intensification of belligerency, heavy militarization of the
>>>>>>>> enemy
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> side,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> multiple kidnappings, cross-border attacks and, from Gaza,
>>>>>>> years of
>>>>>>>>> unrelenting rocket attack.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (2) *Active defense*: Israel then had to switch to active
>>>>>>>>> defense --
>>>>>>>>> military action to disrupt, dismantle and
>>>>>>>>> defeat<
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Remarks-by-the-President-on-a-New-Strategy-for-Afghanistan-and-Pakistan/
>>>>>
>>>>>> (to
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> borrow President Obama's description of our campaign against
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> Taliban
>>>>>>>>> and al-Qaeda) the newly armed terrorist mini-states
>>>>>>>>> established in
>>>>>>>>> southern
>>>>>>>>> Lebanon and Gaza after Israel withdrew.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The result? The Lebanon war of 2006 and Gaza operation of
>>>>>>>>> 2008-09.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>> met with yet another avalanche of opprobrium and calumny by
>>>>>>>>> the same
>>>>>>>>> international community that had demanded the land-for-peace
>>>>>>>>> Israeli
>>>>>>>>> withdrawals in the first place. Worse, the U.N. Goldstone
>>>>>>>>> report<
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/14/AR2009111402279.html
>>>>>
>>>>>> ,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> which essentially criminalized Israel's defensive operation
>>>>>>>>> in Gaza
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> while
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> whitewashing the *casus belli* -- the *preceding* and
>>>>>>>> unprovoked
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hamas
>>>>>
>>>>>> rocket war -- effectively de-legitimized any active Israeli
>>>>>> defense
>>>>>>>>> against
>>>>>>>>> its self-declared terror enemies.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (3) *Passive defense*: Without forward or active defense,
>>>>>>>>> Israel is
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> left
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> with but the most passive and benign of all defenses -- a
>>>>>>> blockade
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>
>>>>>> simply
>>>>>>>>> prevent enemy rearmament. Yet, as we speak, this too is
>>>>>>>>> headed for
>>>>>>>>> international de-legitimation. Even the United States is now
>>>>>>>>> moving
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> toward
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> having it abolished.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But, if none of these is permissible, what's left?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ah, but that's the point. It's the point understood by the
>>>>>>>>> blockade-busting
>>>>>>>>> flotilla of useful idiots and terror sympathizers, by the
>>>>>>>>> Turkish
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> front
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> organization that funded it, by the automatic anti-Israel Third
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> World
>>>>>
>>>>>> chorus
>>>>>>>>> at the United Nations, and by the supine Europeans who've
>>>>>>>>> had quite
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> enough
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> of the Jewish problem.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What's left? Nothing. The whole point of this relentless
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> international
>>>>>
>>>>>> campaign is to deprive Israel of *any* legitimate form of
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> self-defense.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why,
>>>>>>>>> just last week, the Obama administration joined the jackals,
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> reversed
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> four decades of U.S. practice, by signing onto a consensus
>>>>>>>>> document<
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/29/AR2010052902304.html
>>>>>
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> singles out Israel's possession of nuclear weapons -- thus
>>>>>>>>> de-legitimizing Israel's very last line of defense:
>>>>>>>>> deterrence.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The world is tired of these troublesome Jews, 6 million --
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> number
>>>>>
>>>>>> again
>>>>>>>>> -- hard by the Mediterranean, refusing every invitation to
>>>>>>>>> national
>>>>>>>>> suicide.
>>>>>>>>> For which they are relentlessly demonized, ghettoized and
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> constrained
>>>>>
>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> defending themselves, even as the more committed anti-
>>>>>>>> Zionists --
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Iranian
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> particular -- openly prepare a more final solution.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> letters@ charleskrauthammer.com <letters@
>>>>>>>>> %20charleskrauthammer.com>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 5:55 AM, Sushanta Kar <
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> pragyan.tsc50 at gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well said and good suggestion Utamda! I could have avoid the
>>>>>>>>> word
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 'bloody'
>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>> No comments anymore for now.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sushanta
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 3 June 2010 12:17, uttam borthakur <uttamborthakur at yahoo.co.in
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dear Sushanta,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The analogy between the "Emperor" and the "Pirate" applies
>>>>>>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Emperor" (Alexander) molested the world, but had retained the
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> right
>>>>>
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> punish the "Pirate", who had molested a few ships. The reason
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> view
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> is obvious; there would be no end to this debate, as the
>>>>>>>>>> debate
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>
>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> resolved even by 'war', the extreme method of seeking a
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> resolution.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But at the same time, use of less adjectives, and more of
>>>>>>>>>>> reasons,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> augur well for an argument. The use of the word 'concrete' by a
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> German
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> lady
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> (who was a communist, but Gestapo could not ascertain her
>>>>>>>>>> leanings
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> through
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> severe interrogation) at the fag end of an inqusition gave
>>>>>>>>>> her
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> away
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> (Refer
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> to: The God that Failed) . So, it would be better to stick
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> admitted
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> facts
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> (even what is fact for you may not be fact for another)
>>>>>>>>>> beyond
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> reproach
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> would make your case stronger, and even your detractors would
>>>>>>>> keep
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> guarded
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> silence or stay away from entering a debate or try to
>>>>>>>>>> evade the
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> moot
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> issues,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> unless they have a vested interest in scoring over you. :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Just tell me why should you call the British 'bloody'; the
>>>>>>>>>>> empire
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> do otherwise than to set up an empire, because the growth of
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> mercantile
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> activities had to find a market world-wide; just like the
>>>>>>>> present
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> US,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> cannot do without looting the scarce fossil fuel of the
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> middle-east.
>>>>>
>>>>>> If
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> rely only on their own resources, the domestic prices
>>>>>>>>>> would soar,
>>>>>>>>>>> transportation costs will increase, all bills would go
>>>>>>>>>>> high, and
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> halcyon
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> days now reigning in the US may end up in a dated
>>>>>>>>>> 'concept' of
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 'armed
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> rebellion' ( the citizens have more liberty to carry weapons
>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>
>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> place) for which they have already put in place the Homeland
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Security
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 'idea'
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> instead of 'concept'!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Uttam Kumar Borthakur
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> assam mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>> assam at assamnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Sushnta Kar
>>>>>>>>>> সুশান্ত কর
>>>>>>>>>> তিনসুকিয়া, আসাম
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> আমার ব্লগগুলি:
>>>>>>>>>> http://sushantakar40.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>>>> http://ishankonerkahini.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>>>> http://ishankonerkotha.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>>>> আমার সম্পাদিত
>>>>>>>>>> 'প্রজ্ঞান'
>>>>>>>>>> http://pragyan06now.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>>>> http://sites.google.com/site/pragyan06now
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "স্বাজাত্যের অহমিকার
>>>>>>>>>> থেকে মুক্তি দানের
>>>>>>>>>> শিক্ষাই, আজকের দিনের
>>>>>>>>>> প্রধান
>>>>>>>>>> শিক্ষা"
>>>>>>>>>> রবীন্দ্রনাথ
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> assam mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> assam at assamnet.org
>>>>>>>>>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> assam mailing list
>>>>>>>>> assam at assamnet.org
>>>>>>>>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> assam mailing list
>>>>>>>> assam at assamnet.org
>>>>>>>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Sushnta Kar
>>>>>>> সুশান্ত কর
>>>>>>> তিনসুকিয়া, আসাম
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> আমার ব্লগগুলি:
>>>>>>> http://sushantakar40.blogspot.com
>>>>>>> http://ishankonerkahini.blogspot.com
>>>>>>> http://ishankonerkotha.blogspot.com
>>>>>>> আমার সম্পাদিত 'প্রজ্ঞান'
>>>>>>> http://pragyan06now.blogspot.com
>>>>>>> http://sites.google.com/site/pragyan06now
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "স্বাজাত্যের অহমিকার
>>>>>>> থেকে মুক্তি দানের
>>>>>>> শিক্ষাই, আজকের দিনের
>>>>>>> প্রধান
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> শিক্ষা"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> রবীন্দ্রনাথ
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> assam mailing list
>>>>>>> assam at assamnet.org
>>>>>>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> assam mailing list
>>>>>> assam at assamnet.org
>>>>>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Sushnta Kar
>>>>> সুশান্ত কর
>>>>> তিনসুকিয়া, আসাম
>>>>>
>>>>> আমার ব্লগগুলি:
>>>>> http://sushantakar40.blogspot.com
>>>>> http://ishankonerkahini.blogspot.com
>>>>> http://ishankonerkotha.blogspot.com
>>>>> আমার সম্পাদিত 'প্রজ্ঞান'
>>>>> http://pragyan06now.blogspot.com
>>>>> http://sites.google.com/site/pragyan06now
>>>>>
>>>>> "স্বাজাত্যের অহমিকার
>>>>> থেকে মুক্তি দানের
>>>>> শিক্ষাই, আজকের দিনের
>>>>> প্রধান
>>>>> শিক্ষা"
>>>>> রবীন্দ্রনাথ
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> assam mailing list
>>>>> assam at assamnet.org
>>>>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
>>>>>
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