[Assam] force is effective only as a preventative

kamal deka kjit.deka at gmail.com
Sat Jun 5 13:31:41 PDT 2010 

>>>And look how it has brought peace to their lives!<<<

You see,I have put the ' peace process ' in a poke, for now, on
account of the fact that ' peace at all cost concept ' is,in my
measured opinion, not only self-defeating but also self-destructive.
My perception hinges on the ground that the ad infiitinum ' peace
talks' tend to continue ad infinitum that does not result in an end
product.It appears,those talks will continue until there is some sort
of a divine intervention from the heaven above itself .We should stop
cocoon ourshelves in dreams about ' peace ' with those ' pious' souls
unless the foundation of talk of talks is grounded in reality:-)

Please do not mistake me--I am not trying to throw a spanner in the
works.One is most welcome to have palavers.However,democracy advocates
the use of the ballot in lieu of the bullet to
settle issues. There can be no compromise with to this basic dictum of
democracy whatsoever despite the seemingly insurmountable deficiencies
in our system.Otherwise,we will have the mother of all stalemates in
all the time to come.
KJD


On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Jun 4, 2010, at 9:35 PM, kamal deka wrote:
>
>> RS,
>>
>> I have oodles of adulation for the Israelis.For,the tiny
>> Arab-surrounded nation has been able to storm to power by sending
>> shrivers up Arab's spine.
>
>
> **** Oooh! How scary :-)!
>
> And look how it has brought peace to their lives!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> In contrast,our approach to terrorism has all
>> along been tepid and timid,castrated and impotent.Our undying faith on
>> ' peace process'  will remain unmatched.
>> KJD
>> '
>> On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Ram Sarangapani <assamrs at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> **** Sushanta's view is slanted ? I'll be danged ! Coming from an
>>>
>>> upstanding and righteous one like you Ram,
>>>>
>>>> the likes of me must be standing on our heads :-) .
>>>
>>> And, C'da do you also have your own version? Would like to hear that too.
>>> Sushanta's history is full of "bloody" Brits, imperialist this terrorist
>>> Israel........ all the fault of the Brits, Israel, USA, and everyone
>>> else,
>>> except the poor Palestinians, the Arabs.
>>>
>>> He starts off with a huge bias, and views the West basically as
>>> imperialists
>>> and of imposing their will on poorer countries.
>>> Jeez, this "victim" mentality seems to be spreading like wild fire :-)
>>>
>>> --Ram
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 3:34 PM, Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> For the rest of it, all I can say is that you seem to have a very
>>>>> slanted
>>>>> view of Middle East history. So be it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> **** Sushanta's view is slanted ? I'll be danged ! Coming from an
>>>> upstanding and righteous one like you Ram,
>>>> the likes of me must be standing on our heads :-) .
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 4, 2010, at 1:34 PM, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  "the Jews or the Arabs." Jews are  religious group. Arab are not. Most
>>>> of
>>>>>>
>>>>> the Arab are Muslim these
>>>>>
>>>>>> days, But all the Mulsims are not Arab.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for enlightening me. If you hadn't told me, I wouldn't have
>>>>> known.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Your information only establish my point that Jews didn't achieved the
>>>>>>
>>>>>> sate
>>>>>> through any legitimate struggle. Their   dream based on mythology  do
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> justify their aspiration.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The problem is .. nor can the Arabs. They too don't have an absolute
>>>>> claim.
>>>>> The whole area was ruled by the Brits. The Arabs too base their claim
>>>>> on
>>>>> mythology. Abraham, had a child, Ishmail through his servant, and that
>>>>> is
>>>>> the Arab claim - also based on mythology, Old Testament and Bibilical
>>>>> narratives.
>>>>>
>>>>> In any case, for many centuries, both Jewish and Arabs lived peacefully
>>>>> side-by-side. In fact, even the Koran cites examples where the Arabs
>>>>> often
>>>>> had Jews to support them in fighting enemies.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, the only thing one can logically go by is recent history. I am not
>>>>> going
>>>>> to talk about imperial this or imperial that - specially sitting and
>>>>> enjoying the fruits & benefits of a democracy.
>>>>>
>>>>> For the rest of it, all I can say is that you seem to have a very
>>>>> slanted
>>>>> view of Middle East history. So be it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Sushanta Kar <pragyan.tsc50 at gmail.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  "the Jews or the Arabs."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jews are  religious group. Arab are not. Most of the Arab are Muslim
>>>>>> these
>>>>>> days, But all the Mulsims are not Arab.
>>>>>> "US/UK will exist"
>>>>>> Sure ! why not! They are most developed nations of the world . who
>>>>>> deny
>>>>>> that!
>>>>>> But, not the Imperialist! The colonialist! People of both the great
>>>>>> country
>>>>>> will fight those Ruling elite! And they are fighting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All the " ill-will toward these countries" will be there till date
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> earn
>>>>>> all  their wealth by exploiting labor, natural resources of third
>>>>>> world
>>>>>> countries like us.
>>>>>> "The Jewish State was created by the Brits as a fallout of Nazi ....UK
>>>>>> did
>>>>>> not want Jews coming in droves into the UK, "
>>>>>> Thank you for recognizing the fact. This is one among many. But
>>>>>> true. cBrits pulled back
>>>>>> Palestines only to save their own nation!  Brits pulled back
>>>>>> Palestines only to save their own nation! What a democratic value!
>>>>>> And after doing all these injustice to a independent nation, while the
>>>>>> people there fight the British ill doing, they are being marked as
>>>>>> terrorist!
>>>>>> What a judgment!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your information only establish my point that Jews didn't achieved the
>>>>>> sate
>>>>>> through any legitimate struggle. Their   dream based on mythology  do
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> justify their aspiration. If so then tomorrow Indonesian Hindus can
>>>>>> claim
>>>>>> that India is their mythical country . so they have every right to
>>>>>> come
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> sattel down here!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sushanta
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4 June 2010 22:31, Ram Sarangapani <assamrs at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Sushanta,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> While you are certainly entitled to your views, just to put things in
>>>>>>> context, and without hyperbole:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Jewish State was created by the Brits as a fallout of Nazi
>>>>>>> Germany's
>>>>>>> attrocities in the German concentartion camps, and the fact that the
>>>>>>> UK
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> did
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> not want Jews coming in droves into the UK, and add to that the Jews
>>>>>>> believe
>>>>>>> (just like the Arabs believe) that Abraham (from the Old Testament)
>>>>>>> bestowed
>>>>>>> the region to the Jews.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The history is murky at best to definitely claim that the region
>>>>>>> belongs
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the Jews or the Arabs. All we can go on is recent history. If you
>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> start blaming one group or another, you will be doing so for a long
>>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>> Both Arabs and Jews must find a way to live in peace.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We know this much that many don't want Israel to exist at all. Well,
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> only a pipe dream. Israel will exist, just like India will exist, and
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> US/UK will exist inspite of many who harbor ill-will toward these
>>>>>>> countries.
>>>>>>> They will exist inspite of people taking full advantage of the
>>>>>>> benefits
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> language, culture, opportunities, education, advancement etc offered
>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>> these countries, and in return hate them and wish to do them harm.
>>>>>>> Unfortunately, that is the nature of the world.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --Ram da
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Sushanta Kar
>>>>>>> <pragyan.tsc50 at gmail.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Dear
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ramda,
>>>>>>>> I've tried to understand the points of the article. but failed
>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> my inability to understand the language well.
>>>>>>>> All I understood is the writer has a deep sympathy with the Zionist
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> state.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Which I don't have. To my understanding it is not a legitimate
>>>>>>>> state.
>>>>>>>> Had there been a  state for Jews  being achieved after a prolong
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> freedom
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> struggle  in Palestine like Bangladesh I would have no problem. . Or
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> have no problem with Swadhin Axom if ULFA achieve it. Because all
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> residence of that state would be the Khilonjiya of that newly
>>>>>>>> created
>>>>>>>> state.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But that was not the case with the Jews.How it would have been if
>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bauddhist  of the world  irrespective of their languages and races
>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> being invited to come  India and  create an independent state in
>>>>>>>> India
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> make all the Indian second grade citizen  only because the religion
>>>>>>>> originated here. That too under the gun of imperialist British, who
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ruled
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the country for more than two century. Israil is such a country. Jew,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> irrespective of their languages and culture, came from whole world
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> create
>>>>>>>> Israel out of Palestine.
>>>>>>>> Israel is just like a police out post of US & British  imperialist
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oil rich middle east. A living Human Bomb  created by their
>>>>>>>> imperialist
>>>>>>>> masters.
>>>>>>>> If the world have to be free from their hegemony end exploitation  (
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> sidha
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> kothat koboloi gole Tel Curir Aru Ostror Bojaror pora mukti paboloi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> gole
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> )
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Israel will have to go in present form.   And it will go. The
>>>>>>>> freedom
>>>>>>>> loving
>>>>>>>> world will never let Israel to leave in peace. Or It would be better
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> say,
>>>>>>>> Israel will not let the freedom and peace loving world to leave with
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> peace
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> till it exist!
>>>>>>>> Thats what My understanding. I know you will not agree!
>>>>>>>> Sushanta
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 4 June 2010 19:48, Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  the flotilla was not about humanitarian relief but about breaking
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> blockade,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *** so it is just to starve off the Palestians? Awesome argument,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ain't
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> it?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 4, 2010, at 9:10 AM, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dear Sushanta,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As an extension to our discussions, here is a column from the
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Washington
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Post. While I don't particularly agree with what Krauthammer writes,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> particular case, he seems to get it right.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Just because it is the US, the UK or Israel or the GOI or GOA,
>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the root cause of all worldly problems and issues, and those
>>>>>>>>>> against
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> are always the victims.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> **
>>>>>>>>>> *****Why was the offer refused? Because, as organizer Greta Berlin
>>>>>>>>>> admitted,
>>>>>>>>>> the flotilla was not about humanitarian relief but about breaking
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> blockade, i.e., ending Israel's inspection regime, which would mean
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> unlimited shipping into Gaza and thus the unlimited arming of
>>>>>>>>>> Hamas.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Israel has already **twice intercepted ships
>>>>>>>>>> laden*<
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A16637-2002Jan8?language=printer
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  * with Iranian arms destined for Hezbollah and Gaza. What
>>>>>>>>>>> country
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> allow that?********** (from the article)*
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Now, what country interested in their safety and well-being turn a
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> blind
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> eye. Now, Hamas/Turkey is planning to send another "humanitarian"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ship.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> To test Israel?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The article is below.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --Ram da
>>>>>>>>>> **
>>>>>>>>>> *Those troublesome Jews
>>>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Charles Krauthammer
>>>>>>>>>> Friday, June 4, 2010; A19
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The world is outraged at Israel's blockade of Gaza. Turkey
>>>>>>>>>> denounces
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> its
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> illegality<
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.mfa.gov.tr/address-by-h_e_-ahmet-davutoglu_-minister-of-foreign-affairs-of-republic-of-turkey-at-the-united-nations_-31-may-2010_-new-york.en.mfa
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> inhumanity, barbarity, etc. The usual U.N. suspects, Third World
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> European, join in. The Obama administration dithers.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But as Leslie Gelb<
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-05-31/israel-was-right-to-board-the-gaza-flotilla/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> former president of the Council on Foreign Relations, writes, the
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> blockade
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> is not just perfectly rational, it is perfectly legal. Gaza under
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hamas
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> self-declared enemy of Israel -- a declaration backed up by more
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 4,000
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> rockets fired at Israeli civilian territory. Yet having pledged
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> itself
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> unceasing belligerency, Hamas claims victimhood when Israel imposes
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> blockade to prevent Hamas from arming itself with still more
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> rockets.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In World War II, with full international legality, the United
>>>>>>>>>> States
>>>>>>>>>> blockaded Germany and Japan. And during the October 1962 missile
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> crisis,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> blockaded ("quarantined") Cuba. Arms-bearing Russian ships headed
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cuba
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> turned back because the Soviets knew that the U.S. Navy would
>>>>>>>>> either
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> board
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> them or sink them. Yet Israel is accused of international
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> criminality
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> doing precisely what John Kennedy did: impose a naval blockade to
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> prevent
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> hostile state from acquiring lethal weaponry.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Oh, but weren't the Gaza-bound ships on a mission of humanitarian
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> relief?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No. Otherwise they would have accepted Israel's offer to bring
>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> supplies to an Israeli
>>>>>>>>>> port<
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israel-gaza-aid-convoy-can-unload-cargo-in-ashdod-for-inspection-1.292560
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> be inspected for military materiel and have the rest trucked by
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Israel
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Gaza -- as every week 10,000 tons of food, medicine and other
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> humanitarian
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> supplies are sent by Israel to Gaza.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Why was the offer refused? Because, as organizer Greta Berlin
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> admitted,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> flotilla was not about humanitarian relief but about breaking the
>>>>>>>>>> blockade,
>>>>>>>>>> i.e., ending Israel's inspection regime, which would mean
>>>>>>>>>> unlimited
>>>>>>>>>> shipping
>>>>>>>>>> into Gaza and thus the unlimited arming of Hamas.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Israel has already twice intercepted ships
>>>>>>>>>> laden<
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A16637-2002Jan8?language=printer
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Iranian arms destined for Hezbollah and Gaza. What country would
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> allow
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> that?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But even more important, why did Israel even have to resort to
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> blockade?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Because, blockade is Israel's fallback as the world systematically
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> de-legitimizes its traditional ways of defending itself -- forward
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> active defense.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> (1) *Forward defense*: As a small, densely populated country
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> surrounded
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> hostile states, Israel had, for its first half-century, adopted
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> forward
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> defense -- fighting wars on enemy territory (such as the Sinai and
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Golan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Heights) rather than its own.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Where possible (Sinai, for example) Israel has traded territory
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> peace.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But where peace offers were refused, Israel retained the territory
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> protective buffer zone. Thus Israel retained a small strip of
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> southern
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lebanon to protect the villages of northern Israel. And it took many
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> losses
>>>>>>>>>> in Gaza, rather than expose Israeli border towns to Palestinian
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> terror
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> attacks. It is for the same reason America wages a grinding war in
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Afghanistan: You fight them there, so you don't have to fight them
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But under overwhelming outside pressure, Israel gave it up. The
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Israelis
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> were told the occupations were not just illegal but at the root of
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> anti-Israel insurgencies -- and therefore withdrawal, by removing
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> cause,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> would bring peace.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Land for peace. Remember? Well, during the past decade, Israel
>>>>>>>>>> gave
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> land
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -- evacuating South Lebanon in 2000 and Gaza in 2005. What did it
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> get?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> An
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> intensification of belligerency, heavy militarization of the enemy
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> side,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> multiple kidnappings, cross-border attacks and, from Gaza, years of
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> unrelenting rocket attack.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> (2) *Active defense*: Israel then had to switch to active defense
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> military action to disrupt, dismantle and
>>>>>>>>>> defeat<
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Remarks-by-the-President-on-a-New-Strategy-for-Afghanistan-and-Pakistan/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (to
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> borrow President Obama's description of our campaign against the
>>>>>>>>>> Taliban
>>>>>>>>>> and al-Qaeda) the newly armed terrorist mini-states established in
>>>>>>>>>> southern
>>>>>>>>>> Lebanon and Gaza after Israel withdrew.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The result? The Lebanon war of 2006 and Gaza operation of 2008-09.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> met with yet another avalanche of opprobrium and calumny by the
>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>> international community that had demanded the land-for-peace
>>>>>>>>>> Israeli
>>>>>>>>>> withdrawals in the first place. Worse, the U.N. Goldstone
>>>>>>>>>> report<
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/14/AR2009111402279.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> which essentially criminalized Israel's defensive operation in
>>>>>>>>>> Gaza
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> while
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> whitewashing the *casus belli* -- the *preceding* and unprovoked
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hamas
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> rocket war -- effectively de-legitimized any active Israeli defense
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> against
>>>>>>>>>> its self-declared terror enemies.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> (3) *Passive defense*: Without forward or active defense, Israel
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> left
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> with but the most passive and benign of all defenses -- a blockade
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> simply
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> prevent enemy rearmament. Yet, as we speak, this too is headed for
>>>>>>>>>> international de-legitimation. Even the United States is now
>>>>>>>>>> moving
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> toward
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> having it abolished.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But, if none of these is permissible, what's left?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ah, but that's the point. It's the point understood by the
>>>>>>>>>> blockade-busting
>>>>>>>>>> flotilla of useful idiots and terror sympathizers, by the Turkish
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> front
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> organization that funded it, by the automatic anti-Israel Third
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> World
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> chorus
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> at the United Nations, and by the supine Europeans who've had
>>>>>>>>>> quite
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> enough
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> of the Jewish problem.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What's left? Nothing. The whole point of this relentless
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> international
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> campaign is to deprive Israel of *any* legitimate form of
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> self-defense.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> just last week, the Obama administration joined the jackals, and
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> reversed
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> four decades of U.S. practice, by signing onto a consensus
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> document<
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/29/AR2010052902304.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> singles out Israel's possession of nuclear weapons -- thus
>>>>>>>>>> de-legitimizing Israel's very last line of defense: deterrence.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The world is tired of these troublesome Jews, 6 million -- that
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> number
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> again
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -- hard by the Mediterranean, refusing every invitation to
>>>>>>>>>> national
>>>>>>>>>> suicide.
>>>>>>>>>> For which they are relentlessly demonized, ghettoized and
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> constrained
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> defending themselves, even as the more committed anti-Zionists --
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Iranian
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> particular -- openly prepare a more final solution.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> letters@ charleskrauthammer.com
>>>>>>>>>> <letters@%20charleskrauthammer.com>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 5:55 AM, Sushanta Kar <
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> pragyan.tsc50 at gmail.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Well said and good suggestion Utamda! I could have avoid the word
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 'bloody'
>>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>> No comments anymore for now.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sushanta
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 3 June 2010 12:17, uttam borthakur
>>>>>>>>>>> <uttamborthakur at yahoo.co.in>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Sushanta,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The analogy between the "Emperor" and the "Pirate" applies here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Emperor" (Alexander) molested the world, but had retained the
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> right
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> punish the "Pirate", who had molested a few ships. The reason for
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  view
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  is obvious; there would be no end to this debate, as the debate
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  been
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  resolved even by 'war', the extreme method of seeking a
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> resolution.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But at the same time, use of less adjectives, and more of
>>>>>>>>>>>> reasons,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> augur well for an argument. The use of the word 'concrete' by a
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> German
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  lady
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  (who was a communist, but Gestapo could not ascertain her
>>>>>>>>>>> leanings
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  through
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  severe interrogation) at the fag end of an inqusition gave her
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> away
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  (Refer
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  to: The God that Failed) . So, it would be better to stick to
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> admitted
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  facts
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  (even what is fact for you may not be fact for another) beyond
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> reproach
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> would make your case stronger, and even your detractors would keep
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  guarded
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  silence or stay away from entering a debate or try to evade the
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> moot
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  issues,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  unless they have a vested interest in scoring over you. :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Just tell me why should you call the British 'bloody'; the
>>>>>>>>>>>> empire
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  not
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  do otherwise than to set up an empire, because the growth of
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> mercantile
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> activities  had to find a market world-wide; just like the present
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> US,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  which
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  cannot do without looting the scarce fossil fuel of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> middle-east.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  they
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  rely only on their own resources, the domestic prices would
>>>>>>>>>>> soar,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> transportation costs will increase, all bills would go high, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  halcyon
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  days now reigning in the US may end up in a dated 'concept' of
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 'armed
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> rebellion' ( the citizens have more liberty to carry weapons than
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> place) for which they have already put in place the Homeland
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Security
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  'idea'
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  instead of 'concept'!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Uttam Kumar Borthakur
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Sushnta Kar
>>>>>>>>>>> সুশান্ত কর
>>>>>>>>>>> তিনসুকিয়া, আসাম
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> আমার ব্লগগুলি:
>>>>>>>>>>> http://sushantakar40.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>>>>> http://ishankonerkahini.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>>>>> http://ishankonerkotha.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>>>>> আমার সম্পাদিত 'প্রজ্ঞান'
>>>>>>>>>>> http://pragyan06now.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>>>>> http://sites.google.com/site/pragyan06now
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "স্বাজাত্যের অহমিকার থেকে মুক্তি দানের শিক্ষাই, আজকের দিনের
>>>>>>>>>>> প্রধান
>>>>>>>>>>> শিক্ষা"
>>>>>>>>>>> রবীন্দ্রনাথ
>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> assam mailing list
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>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Sushnta Kar
>>>>>>>> সুশান্ত কর
>>>>>>>> তিনসুকিয়া, আসাম
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> আমার ব্লগগুলি:
>>>>>>>> http://sushantakar40.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>> http://ishankonerkahini.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>> http://ishankonerkotha.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>> আমার সম্পাদিত 'প্রজ্ঞান'
>>>>>>>> http://pragyan06now.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>> http://sites.google.com/site/pragyan06now
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "স্বাজাত্যের অহমিকার থেকে মুক্তি দানের শিক্ষাই, আজকের দিনের প্রধান
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> শিক্ষা"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> রবীন্দ্রনাথ
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Sushnta Kar
>>>>>> সুশান্ত কর
>>>>>> তিনসুকিয়া, আসাম
>>>>>>
>>>>>> আমার ব্লগগুলি:
>>>>>> http://sushantakar40.blogspot.com
>>>>>> http://ishankonerkahini.blogspot.com
>>>>>> http://ishankonerkotha.blogspot.com
>>>>>> আমার সম্পাদিত 'প্রজ্ঞান'
>>>>>> http://pragyan06now.blogspot.com
>>>>>> http://sites.google.com/site/pragyan06now
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "স্বাজাত্যের অহমিকার থেকে মুক্তি দানের শিক্ষাই, আজকের দিনের প্রধান
>>>>>> শিক্ষা"
>>>>>> রবীন্দ্রনাথ
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> assam mailing list
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