[Assam] force is effective only as a preventative
Chan Mahanta
cmahanta at gmail.com
Sat Jun 5 15:17:26 PDT 2010
>However,democracy advocates
>the use of the ballot in lieu of the bullet to
>settle issues.
*** Funny , this demokrasy thang! The peace negotiations between the
Israelis
and Palestinians, orghanized by Clinton failed because of Israel's
refusal to accept the return of the Palestinians
who were thrown out of the homes and land to create Israel.
Why so?
For the fear, not unfounded, that if the Palestinians were allowed to
return, they will outnumber the
the Jewish people and take over the country DEMOCRATICALLY!
Now go figure Israel's commitments to the democratic ethos. Catch 22?
On Jun 5, 2010, at 3:31 PM, kamal deka wrote:
>>>> And look how it has brought peace to their lives!<<<
>
> You see,I have put the ' peace process ' in a poke, for now, on
> account of the fact that ' peace at all cost concept ' is,in my
> measured opinion, not only self-defeating but also self-destructive.
> My perception hinges on the ground that the ad infiitinum ' peace
> talks' tend to continue ad infinitum that does not result in an end
> product.It appears,those talks will continue until there is some sort
> of a divine intervention from the heaven above itself .We should stop
> cocoon ourshelves in dreams about ' peace ' with those ' pious' souls
> unless the foundation of talk of talks is grounded in reality:-)
>
> Please do not mistake me--I am not trying to throw a spanner in the
> works.One is most welcome to have palavers.However,democracy advocates
> the use of the ballot in lieu of the bullet to
> settle issues. There can be no compromise with to this basic dictum of
> democracy whatsoever despite the seemingly insurmountable deficiencies
> in our system.Otherwise,we will have the mother of all stalemates in
> all the time to come.
> KJD
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> On Jun 4, 2010, at 9:35 PM, kamal deka wrote:
>>
>>> RS,
>>>
>>> I have oodles of adulation for the Israelis.For,the tiny
>>> Arab-surrounded nation has been able to storm to power by sending
>>> shrivers up Arab's spine.
>>
>>
>> **** Oooh! How scary :-)!
>>
>> And look how it has brought peace to their lives!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> In contrast,our approach to terrorism has all
>>> along been tepid and timid,castrated and impotent.Our undying
>>> faith on
>>> ' peace process' will remain unmatched.
>>> KJD
>>> '
>>> On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Ram Sarangapani
>>> <assamrs at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> **** Sushanta's view is slanted ? I'll be danged ! Coming from an
>>>>
>>>> upstanding and righteous one like you Ram,
>>>>>
>>>>> the likes of me must be standing on our heads :-) .
>>>>
>>>> And, C'da do you also have your own version? Would like to hear
>>>> that too.
>>>> Sushanta's history is full of "bloody" Brits, imperialist this
>>>> terrorist
>>>> Israel........ all the fault of the Brits, Israel, USA, and
>>>> everyone
>>>> else,
>>>> except the poor Palestinians, the Arabs.
>>>>
>>>> He starts off with a huge bias, and views the West basically as
>>>> imperialists
>>>> and of imposing their will on poorer countries.
>>>> Jeez, this "victim" mentality seems to be spreading like wild
>>>> fire :-)
>>>>
>>>> --Ram
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 3:34 PM, Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> For the rest of it, all I can say is that you seem to have a very
>>>>>> slanted
>>>>>> view of Middle East history. So be it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> **** Sushanta's view is slanted ? I'll be danged ! Coming from an
>>>>> upstanding and righteous one like you Ram,
>>>>> the likes of me must be standing on our heads :-) .
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 4, 2010, at 1:34 PM, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "the Jews or the Arabs." Jews are religious group. Arab are
>>>>> not. Most
>>>>> of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> the Arab are Muslim these
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> days, But all the Mulsims are not Arab.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for enlightening me. If you hadn't told me, I wouldn't
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> known.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your information only establish my point that Jews didn't
>>>>>> achieved the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> sate
>>>>>>> through any legitimate struggle. Their dream based on
>>>>>>> mythology do
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> justify their aspiration.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The problem is .. nor can the Arabs. They too don't have an
>>>>>> absolute
>>>>>> claim.
>>>>>> The whole area was ruled by the Brits. The Arabs too base their
>>>>>> claim
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> mythology. Abraham, had a child, Ishmail through his servant,
>>>>>> and that
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> the Arab claim - also based on mythology, Old Testament and
>>>>>> Bibilical
>>>>>> narratives.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In any case, for many centuries, both Jewish and Arabs lived
>>>>>> peacefully
>>>>>> side-by-side. In fact, even the Koran cites examples where the
>>>>>> Arabs
>>>>>> often
>>>>>> had Jews to support them in fighting enemies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, the only thing one can logically go by is recent history. I
>>>>>> am not
>>>>>> going
>>>>>> to talk about imperial this or imperial that - specially
>>>>>> sitting and
>>>>>> enjoying the fruits & benefits of a democracy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For the rest of it, all I can say is that you seem to have a very
>>>>>> slanted
>>>>>> view of Middle East history. So be it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Sushanta Kar <pragyan.tsc50 at gmail.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "the Jews or the Arabs."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jews are religious group. Arab are not. Most of the Arab are
>>>>>>> Muslim
>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>> days, But all the Mulsims are not Arab.
>>>>>>> "US/UK will exist"
>>>>>>> Sure ! why not! They are most developed nations of the world .
>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>> deny
>>>>>>> that!
>>>>>>> But, not the Imperialist! The colonialist! People of both the
>>>>>>> great
>>>>>>> country
>>>>>>> will fight those Ruling elite! And they are fighting.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All the " ill-will toward these countries" will be there till
>>>>>>> date
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> earn
>>>>>>> all their wealth by exploiting labor, natural resources of
>>>>>>> third
>>>>>>> world
>>>>>>> countries like us.
>>>>>>> "The Jewish State was created by the Brits as a fallout of
>>>>>>> Nazi ....UK
>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>> not want Jews coming in droves into the UK, "
>>>>>>> Thank you for recognizing the fact. This is one among many. But
>>>>>>> true. cBrits pulled back
>>>>>>> Palestines only to save their own nation! Brits pulled back
>>>>>>> Palestines only to save their own nation! What a democratic
>>>>>>> value!
>>>>>>> And after doing all these injustice to a independent nation,
>>>>>>> while the
>>>>>>> people there fight the British ill doing, they are being
>>>>>>> marked as
>>>>>>> terrorist!
>>>>>>> What a judgment!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your information only establish my point that Jews didn't
>>>>>>> achieved the
>>>>>>> sate
>>>>>>> through any legitimate struggle. Their dream based on
>>>>>>> mythology do
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> justify their aspiration. If so then tomorrow Indonesian
>>>>>>> Hindus can
>>>>>>> claim
>>>>>>> that India is their mythical country . so they have every
>>>>>>> right to
>>>>>>> come
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> sattel down here!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sushanta
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4 June 2010 22:31, Ram Sarangapani <assamrs at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sushanta,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> While you are certainly entitled to your views, just to put
>>>>>>>> things in
>>>>>>>> context, and without hyperbole:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Jewish State was created by the Brits as a fallout of Nazi
>>>>>>>> Germany's
>>>>>>>> attrocities in the German concentartion camps, and the fact
>>>>>>>> that the
>>>>>>>> UK
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> not want Jews coming in droves into the UK, and add to that
>>>>>>>> the Jews
>>>>>>>> believe
>>>>>>>> (just like the Arabs believe) that Abraham (from the Old
>>>>>>>> Testament)
>>>>>>>> bestowed
>>>>>>>> the region to the Jews.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The history is murky at best to definitely claim that the
>>>>>>>> region
>>>>>>>> belongs
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the Jews or the Arabs. All we can go on is recent history. If
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> start blaming one group or another, you will be doing so for
>>>>>>>> a long
>>>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>>> Both Arabs and Jews must find a way to live in peace.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We know this much that many don't want Israel to exist at
>>>>>>>> all. Well,
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> only a pipe dream. Israel will exist, just like India will
>>>>>>>> exist, and
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> US/UK will exist inspite of many who harbor ill-will toward
>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>> countries.
>>>>>>>> They will exist inspite of people taking full advantage of the
>>>>>>>> benefits
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> language, culture, opportunities, education, advancement etc
>>>>>>>> offered
>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>> these countries, and in return hate them and wish to do them
>>>>>>>> harm.
>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, that is the nature of the world.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --Ram da
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 11:30 AM, Sushanta Kar
>>>>>>>> <pragyan.tsc50 at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ramda,
>>>>>>>>> I've tried to understand the points of the article. but failed
>>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> my inability to understand the language well.
>>>>>>>>> All I understood is the writer has a deep sympathy with the
>>>>>>>>> Zionist
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> state.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Which I don't have. To my understanding it is not a legitimate
>>>>>>>>> state.
>>>>>>>>> Had there been a state for Jews being achieved after a
>>>>>>>>> prolong
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> freedom
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> struggle in Palestine like Bangladesh I would have no
>>>>>>>> problem. . Or
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> have no problem with Swadhin Axom if ULFA achieve it.
>>>>>>>>> Because all
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> residence of that state would be the Khilonjiya of that newly
>>>>>>>>> created
>>>>>>>>> state.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But that was not the case with the Jews.How it would have
>>>>>>>>> been if
>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bauddhist of the world irrespective of their languages and
>>>>>>>> races
>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> being invited to come India and create an independent
>>>>>>>>> state in
>>>>>>>>> India
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> make all the Indian second grade citizen only because the
>>>>>>>>> religion
>>>>>>>>> originated here. That too under the gun of imperialist
>>>>>>>>> British, who
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ruled
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the country for more than two century. Israil is such a
>>>>>>>> country. Jew,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> irrespective of their languages and culture, came from whole
>>>>>>>>> world
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> create
>>>>>>>>> Israel out of Palestine.
>>>>>>>>> Israel is just like a police out post of US & British
>>>>>>>>> imperialist
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oil rich middle east. A living Human Bomb created by their
>>>>>>>>> imperialist
>>>>>>>>> masters.
>>>>>>>>> If the world have to be free from their hegemony end
>>>>>>>>> exploitation (
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> sidha
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> kothat koboloi gole Tel Curir Aru Ostror Bojaror pora mukti
>>>>>>>>> paboloi
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> gole
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> )
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Israel will have to go in present form. And it will go. The
>>>>>>>>> freedom
>>>>>>>>> loving
>>>>>>>>> world will never let Israel to leave in peace. Or It would
>>>>>>>>> be better
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> say,
>>>>>>>>> Israel will not let the freedom and peace loving world to
>>>>>>>>> leave with
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> peace
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> till it exist!
>>>>>>>>> Thats what My understanding. I know you will not agree!
>>>>>>>>> Sushanta
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 4 June 2010 19:48, Chan Mahanta <cmahanta at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the flotilla was not about humanitarian relief but about
>>>>>>>>> breaking
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> blockade,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *** so it is just to starve off the Palestians? Awesome
>>>>>>>>>> argument,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ain't
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> it?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 4, 2010, at 9:10 AM, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dear Sushanta,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> As an extension to our discussions, here is a column from
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Washington
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Post. While I don't particularly agree with what Krauthammer
>>>>>>>>> writes,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> particular case, he seems to get it right.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Just because it is the US, the UK or Israel or the GOI or
>>>>>>>>>>> GOA,
>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> the root cause of all worldly problems and issues, and those
>>>>>>>>>>> against
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> are always the victims.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> **
>>>>>>>>>>> *****Why was the offer refused? Because, as organizer
>>>>>>>>>>> Greta Berlin
>>>>>>>>>>> admitted,
>>>>>>>>>>> the flotilla was not about humanitarian relief but about
>>>>>>>>>>> breaking
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> blockade, i.e., ending Israel's inspection regime, which
>>>>>>>> would mean
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> unlimited shipping into Gaza and thus the unlimited arming
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> Hamas.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Israel has already **twice intercepted ships
>>>>>>>>>>> laden*<
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A16637-2002Jan8?language=printer
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> * with Iranian arms destined for Hezbollah and Gaza. What
>>>>>>>>>>>> country
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> allow that?********** (from the article)*
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Now, what country interested in their safety and well-
>>>>>>>>>>> being turn a
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> blind
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> eye. Now, Hamas/Turkey is planning to send another
>>>>>>>>> "humanitarian"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ship.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> To test Israel?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The article is below.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --Ram da
>>>>>>>>>>> **
>>>>>>>>>>> *Those troublesome Jews
>>>>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Charles Krauthammer
>>>>>>>>>>> Friday, June 4, 2010; A19
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The world is outraged at Israel's blockade of Gaza. Turkey
>>>>>>>>>>> denounces
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> its
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> illegality<
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.mfa.gov.tr/address-by-h_e_-ahmet-davutoglu_-minister-of-foreign-affairs-of-republic-of-turkey-at-the-united-nations_-31-may-2010_-new-york.en.mfa
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> inhumanity, barbarity, etc. The usual U.N. suspects, Third
>>>>>>>>>>> World
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> European, join in. The Obama administration dithers.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But as Leslie Gelb<
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-05-31/israel-was-right-to-board-the-gaza-flotilla/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> former president of the Council on Foreign Relations,
>>>>>>>>>>> writes, the
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> blockade
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> is not just perfectly rational, it is perfectly legal. Gaza
>>>>>>>>>> under
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hamas
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> self-declared enemy of Israel -- a declaration backed up
>>>>>>>>>>> by more
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 4,000
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> rockets fired at Israeli civilian territory. Yet having
>>>>>>>>>>> pledged
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> itself
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> unceasing belligerency, Hamas claims victimhood when Israel
>>>>>>>>>> imposes
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> blockade to prevent Hamas from arming itself with still more
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> rockets.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In World War II, with full international legality, the
>>>>>>>>>>> United
>>>>>>>>>>> States
>>>>>>>>>>> blockaded Germany and Japan. And during the October 1962
>>>>>>>>>>> missile
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> crisis,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> blockaded ("quarantined") Cuba. Arms-bearing Russian ships
>>>>>>>>>>> headed
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cuba
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> turned back because the Soviets knew that the U.S. Navy would
>>>>>>>>>> either
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> board
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> them or sink them. Yet Israel is accused of international
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> criminality
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> doing precisely what John Kennedy did: impose a naval
>>>>>>>>>> blockade to
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> prevent
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> hostile state from acquiring lethal weaponry.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, but weren't the Gaza-bound ships on a mission of
>>>>>>>>>>> humanitarian
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> relief?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No. Otherwise they would have accepted Israel's offer to
>>>>>>>>>> bring
>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> supplies to an Israeli
>>>>>>>>>>> port<
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israel-gaza-aid-convoy-can-unload-cargo-in-ashdod-for-inspection-1.292560
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> be inspected for military materiel and have the rest
>>>>>>>>>>> trucked by
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Israel
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Gaza -- as every week 10,000 tons of food, medicine and
>>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> humanitarian
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> supplies are sent by Israel to Gaza.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Why was the offer refused? Because, as organizer Greta
>>>>>>>>>>> Berlin
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> admitted,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> flotilla was not about humanitarian relief but about
>>>>>>>>>>> breaking the
>>>>>>>>>>> blockade,
>>>>>>>>>>> i.e., ending Israel's inspection regime, which would mean
>>>>>>>>>>> unlimited
>>>>>>>>>>> shipping
>>>>>>>>>>> into Gaza and thus the unlimited arming of Hamas.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Israel has already twice intercepted ships
>>>>>>>>>>> laden<
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A16637-2002Jan8?language=printer
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Iranian arms destined for Hezbollah and Gaza. What country
>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> allow
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> that?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But even more important, why did Israel even have to
>>>>>>>>>>> resort to
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> blockade?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Because, blockade is Israel's fallback as the world
>>>>>>>>> systematically
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> de-legitimizes its traditional ways of defending itself --
>>>>>>>>>>> forward
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> active defense.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> (1) *Forward defense*: As a small, densely populated country
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> surrounded
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> hostile states, Israel had, for its first half-century,
>>>>>>>>>> adopted
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> forward
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> defense -- fighting wars on enemy territory (such as the
>>>>>>>>> Sinai and
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Golan
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Heights) rather than its own.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Where possible (Sinai, for example) Israel has traded
>>>>>>>>>>> territory
>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> peace.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But where peace offers were refused, Israel retained the
>>>>>>>>>> territory
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> protective buffer zone. Thus Israel retained a small strip of
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> southern
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lebanon to protect the villages of northern Israel. And it
>>>>>>>> took many
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> losses
>>>>>>>>>>> in Gaza, rather than expose Israeli border towns to
>>>>>>>>>>> Palestinian
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> terror
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> attacks. It is for the same reason America wages a grinding
>>>>>>>> war in
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Afghanistan: You fight them there, so you don't have to
>>>>>>>>>>> fight them
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But under overwhelming outside pressure, Israel gave it
>>>>>>>>>>> up. The
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Israelis
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> were told the occupations were not just illegal but at the
>>>>>>>>> root of
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> anti-Israel insurgencies -- and therefore withdrawal, by
>>>>>>>> removing
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> cause,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> would bring peace.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Land for peace. Remember? Well, during the past decade,
>>>>>>>>>>> Israel
>>>>>>>>>>> gave
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> land
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -- evacuating South Lebanon in 2000 and Gaza in 2005. What
>>>>>>>>>>> did it
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> get?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> An
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> intensification of belligerency, heavy militarization of
>>>>>>>>>> the enemy
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> side,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> multiple kidnappings, cross-border attacks and, from Gaza,
>>>>>>>>> years of
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> unrelenting rocket attack.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> (2) *Active defense*: Israel then had to switch to active
>>>>>>>>>>> defense
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> military action to disrupt, dismantle and
>>>>>>>>>>> defeat<
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Remarks-by-the-President-on-a-New-Strategy-for-Afghanistan-and-Pakistan/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (to
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> borrow President Obama's description of our campaign
>>>>>>>>>>> against the
>>>>>>>>>>> Taliban
>>>>>>>>>>> and al-Qaeda) the newly armed terrorist mini-states
>>>>>>>>>>> established in
>>>>>>>>>>> southern
>>>>>>>>>>> Lebanon and Gaza after Israel withdrew.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The result? The Lebanon war of 2006 and Gaza operation of
>>>>>>>>>>> 2008-09.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> met with yet another avalanche of opprobrium and calumny
>>>>>>>>>>> by the
>>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>>> international community that had demanded the land-for-peace
>>>>>>>>>>> Israeli
>>>>>>>>>>> withdrawals in the first place. Worse, the U.N. Goldstone
>>>>>>>>>>> report<
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/14/AR2009111402279.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> which essentially criminalized Israel's defensive
>>>>>>>>>>> operation in
>>>>>>>>>>> Gaza
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> while
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> whitewashing the *casus belli* -- the *preceding* and
>>>>>>>>>> unprovoked
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hamas
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> rocket war -- effectively de-legitimized any active Israeli
>>>>>>>> defense
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> against
>>>>>>>>>>> its self-declared terror enemies.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> (3) *Passive defense*: Without forward or active defense,
>>>>>>>>>>> Israel
>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> left
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> with but the most passive and benign of all defenses -- a
>>>>>>>>> blockade
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> simply
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> prevent enemy rearmament. Yet, as we speak, this too is
>>>>>>>>>>> headed for
>>>>>>>>>>> international de-legitimation. Even the United States is now
>>>>>>>>>>> moving
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> toward
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> having it abolished.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But, if none of these is permissible, what's left?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ah, but that's the point. It's the point understood by the
>>>>>>>>>>> blockade-busting
>>>>>>>>>>> flotilla of useful idiots and terror sympathizers, by the
>>>>>>>>>>> Turkish
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> front
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> organization that funded it, by the automatic anti-Israel
>>>>>>>>> Third
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> World
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> chorus
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> at the United Nations, and by the supine Europeans who've
>>>>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>>>>> quite
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> enough
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> of the Jewish problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What's left? Nothing. The whole point of this relentless
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> international
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> campaign is to deprive Israel of *any* legitimate form of
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> self-defense.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> just last week, the Obama administration joined the
>>>>>>>>>>> jackals, and
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> reversed
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> four decades of U.S. practice, by signing onto a consensus
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> document<
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/29/AR2010052902304.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> singles out Israel's possession of nuclear weapons -- thus
>>>>>>>>>>> de-legitimizing Israel's very last line of defense:
>>>>>>>>>>> deterrence.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The world is tired of these troublesome Jews, 6 million --
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> number
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> again
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -- hard by the Mediterranean, refusing every invitation to
>>>>>>>>>>> national
>>>>>>>>>>> suicide.
>>>>>>>>>>> For which they are relentlessly demonized, ghettoized and
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> constrained
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> defending themselves, even as the more committed anti-
>>>>>>>>>> Zionists --
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Iranian
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> particular -- openly prepare a more final solution.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> letters@ charleskrauthammer.com
>>>>>>>>>>> <letters@%20charleskrauthammer.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 5:55 AM, Sushanta Kar <
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> pragyan.tsc50 at gmail.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Well said and good suggestion Utamda! I could have avoid
>>>>>>>>>>> the word
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 'bloody'
>>>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>> No comments anymore for now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sushanta
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3 June 2010 12:17, uttam borthakur
>>>>>>>>>>>> <uttamborthakur at yahoo.co.in>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Sushanta,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The analogy between the "Emperor" and the "Pirate"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> applies here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Emperor" (Alexander) molested the world, but had retained the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> right
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> punish the "Pirate", who had molested a few ships. The
>>>>>>>>>> reason for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> view
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> is obvious; there would be no end to this debate, as the
>>>>>>>>>>>> debate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> resolved even by 'war', the extreme method of seeking a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> resolution.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But at the same time, use of less adjectives, and more of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> reasons,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> augur well for an argument. The use of the word 'concrete'
>>>>>>>>>> by a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> German
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> lady
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> (who was a communist, but Gestapo could not ascertain her
>>>>>>>>>>>> leanings
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> through
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> severe interrogation) at the fag end of an inqusition
>>>>>>>>>>>> gave her
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> away
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Refer
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> to: The God that Failed) . So, it would be better to
>>>>>>>>>>>> stick to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> admitted
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> facts
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> (even what is fact for you may not be fact for another)
>>>>>>>>>>>> beyond
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> reproach
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> would make your case stronger, and even your detractors
>>>>>>>>>> would keep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> guarded
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> silence or stay away from entering a debate or try to
>>>>>>>>>>>> evade the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> moot
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> issues,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> unless they have a vested interest in scoring over
>>>>>>>>>>>> you. :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just tell me why should you call the British 'bloody'; the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> empire
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> do otherwise than to set up an empire, because the
>>>>>>>>>>>> growth of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> mercantile
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> activities had to find a market world-wide; just like the
>>>>>>>>>> present
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> US,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> cannot do without looting the scarce fossil fuel of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> middle-east.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> rely only on their own resources, the domestic prices
>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>> soar,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> transportation costs will increase, all bills would go
>>>>>>>>>>>>> high, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> halcyon
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> days now reigning in the US may end up in a dated
>>>>>>>>>>>> 'concept' of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 'armed
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> rebellion' ( the citizens have more liberty to carry weapons
>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> place) for which they have already put in place the Homeland
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Security
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'idea'
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> instead of 'concept'!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Uttam Kumar Borthakur
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>> assam mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>> assam at assamnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sushnta Kar
>>>>>>>>>>>> সুশান্ত কর
>>>>>>>>>>>> তিনসুকিয়া, আসাম
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> আমার ব্লগগুলি:
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://sushantakar40.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://ishankonerkahini.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://ishankonerkotha.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> আমার সম্পাদিত
>>>>>>>>>>>> 'প্রজ্ঞান'
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://pragyan06now.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://sites.google.com/site/pragyan06now
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "স্বাজাত্যের অহমিকার
>>>>>>>>>>>> থেকে মুক্তি দানের
>>>>>>>>>>>> শিক্ষাই, আজকের দিনের
>>>>>>>>>>>> প্রধান
>>>>>>>>>>>> শিক্ষা"
>>>>>>>>>>>> রবীন্দ্রনাথ
>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Sushnta Kar
>>>>>>>>> সুশান্ত কর
>>>>>>>>> তিনসুকিয়া, আসাম
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> আমার ব্লগগুলি:
>>>>>>>>> http://sushantakar40.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>>> http://ishankonerkahini.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>>> http://ishankonerkotha.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>>> আমার সম্পাদিত
>>>>>>>>> 'প্রজ্ঞান'
>>>>>>>>> http://pragyan06now.blogspot.com
>>>>>>>>> http://sites.google.com/site/pragyan06now
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "স্বাজাত্যের অহমিকার
>>>>>>>>> থেকে মুক্তি দানের
>>>>>>>>> শিক্ষাই, আজকের দিনের
>>>>>>>>> প্রধান
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> শিক্ষা"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> রবীন্দ্রনাথ
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Sushnta Kar
>>>>>>> সুশান্ত কর
>>>>>>> তিনসুকিয়া, আসাম
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> আমার ব্লগগুলি:
>>>>>>> http://sushantakar40.blogspot.com
>>>>>>> http://ishankonerkahini.blogspot.com
>>>>>>> http://ishankonerkotha.blogspot.com
>>>>>>> আমার সম্পাদিত 'প্রজ্ঞান'
>>>>>>> http://pragyan06now.blogspot.com
>>>>>>> http://sites.google.com/site/pragyan06now
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "স্বাজাত্যের অহমিকার
>>>>>>> থেকে মুক্তি দানের
>>>>>>> শিক্ষাই, আজকের দিনের
>>>>>>> প্রধান
>>>>>>> শিক্ষা"
>>>>>>> রবীন্দ্রনাথ
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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