[Assam] force is effective only as a preventative

Tue Jun 8 08:26:01 PDT 2010

Dear
Ramda,
I'll wait for your next mail.
Sushanta

On 8 June 2010 19:05, Ram Sarangapani <assamrs at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Sushanta,
>
> I'm in a bit of hurry, but just want to set one thing right. Will respond
> in
> detail later.
>
> You wrote:
>
> >"You heart is crying for Jews, and is feeling happy seeing the sufferings
> of Palestine.And still you are a great free thinker.No one can blame >that
> you have any bias .Only because you are with US and Brits!:)
>
> It is really sad, that this is what you took from what I wrote. How do you
> know how I feel? I try to understand the plight of both Jews and
> Palestinians. The solutions in the region are not easy, and I will NOT
> pretend I have solutions. It was you who kept calling the Jews Zionists,
> the
> US imperialists, and the bloody Brits.
>
> That Palestinians or Jews get killed is sad - only very stupid people feel
> "happy" when someone gets killed. When looking at such issues, I, like most
> people try to be fair (may not seem so to you).
>
> After 9/11, when 3000 people got killed, the world saw TV footage from many
> parts of the Middle East jumping up and down with joy, and shooting guns in
> the air. I'll leave that with you to ponder for the moment.
>
> --Ram da
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:40 AM, Sushanta Kar <pragyan.tsc50 at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Dear
> > Ramda,
> > I'm sorry again for late response. It's very interesting and politically
> > live topic. I could have participate seriously, had I enough time for
> that.
> > Sitting in front of computer I also can cite hundred of example and links
> > in
> > favor of my statements.
> > But, what use of it , you will always say them biased report and
> researched
> > .
> > I can only quarrel with you can't make you agree. And as I've learned in
> > this US lead world that everything pro US is free Thinking here, and
> > anything against is biased . Any thing pro US is struggle for democracy,
> > anything against it is terrorism. Anything in favour of Israel is
> question
> > of security, anything against it is threat to that unjust Nation.
> >
> > You heart is crying for Jews, and is feeling happy seeing the sufferings
> of
> > Palestine.And still you are a great free thinker.No one can blame that
> you
> > have any bias .Only because you are with US and Brits!:)
> > Don't mind please, to  be frank  enough, you are distorting the small
> piece
> > of information those  I'm presenting here. I'm afraid what   what will
> > happen if I write big enough.
> > See you have written *"he problem is .. nor can the Arabs. They too don't
> > have an absolute claim.
> > The whole area was ruled by the Brits. The Arabs too base their claim on
> > mythology. Abraham, had a child, Ishmail through his servant, and that is
> > the Arab claim - also based on mythology, Old Testament and Bibilical
> > narratives.
> >
> > In any case, for many centuries, both Jewish and Arabs lived peacefully
> > side-by-side. In fact, even the Koran cites examples where the Arabs
> often
> > had Jews to support them in fighting enemies."*
> >
> > BUT You didn't talked about this part of my statement,"Israel is such a
> > country. Jew, i*rrespective of their languages and culture*, came from
> > whole
> > world to create Israel out of Palestine."
> > All know ( including I and You) that Zionism is a religion originated in
> > Israel . But, what I'm saying is that all the Jews are not of  Israel
> > origin.Like all the Muslims of the world are not Arab origin. You are
> > talking about Arab's mythological believes, But don't mind, you are
> silent
> > on 'migration' issue. If all the Jews of the world can  claim Israel
> their
> > legitimate country, to go with your logic I can rather raise demand that
> > all
> > the Muslims  of this world should go to the Israel and make their country
> > or
> > all the Buddhist of the world should come to India--the land where their
> > religion originated. ( I'm afraid, What will happen to Bangladeshi issue
> > then?) Let all the Chinese come to India and make their homeland, Hows
> the
> > Idea!
> > See what* the other page of your link says o*n migration:
> > "The *Zionist <http://www.mideastweb.org/zionism.htm>* movement arose to
> > restore the Jews to Israel, largely ignoring the existing Arab
> population.
> > Following the Balfour Declaration
> > <http://www.mideastweb.org/mebalfour.htm>in 1917, Palestine was
> > granted to Britain as a League
> > of Nations mandate <http://mideastweb.org/Mandate.htm> to build a
> national
> > home for the Jewish people. The Arabs resented the Jews coming in to take
> > their land. Led by Grand Mufti Hajj Amin El
> > Husseini<http://www.zionism-israel.com/dic/Haj_Amin_El_Husseini.htm>,
> > they rioted repeatedly and later revolted, creating a history of enmity
> > between Jews and Arabs in Palestine. Britain stopped Jewish immigration
> to
> > Palestine."
> >  ( http://mideastweb.org/nutshell.htm)
> > That's proof enough that Israel was not a construction of a democratic
> > process.  and so is not a legitimate state!
> > that's all!
> >
> > Sushanta
> >
> >
> > On 7 June 2010 11:14, uttam borthakur <uttamborthakur at yahoo.co.in>
> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >                          We surely do not live in, or off, the US.
> > >
> > > But the Jewish Professor, who utters the following words, and quotes
> > > Winston Churchill, surely does. So, he ought not (normative) have the
> > > "victim mentality” (same use of adjectives such as 'bloody' Brits
> instead
> > of
> > > 'snooty' Brits or the ‘smug’ Americans!).
> > >
> > > XXXXXXX
> > >
> > > "Literal censorship barely exists in the United States, but thought
> > control
> > > is a flourishing industry, indeed an indispensable one in a free
> society
> > > based on the principle of elite decision, public endorsement or
> > passivity"
> > >
> > >
> > > Xxxxxx
> > >
> > > “ The central device of the system of “brainwashing under freedom,”
> > > developed in a most impressive fashion in the country that is perhaps
> the
> > > most free, is to encourage debate over policy issues but within a
> > framework
> > > of presuppositions that incorporate the basic doctrines of the party
> > line.
> > > The more vigorous the debate the more effectively the presuppositions
> are
> > > instilled, while participants and onlookers are overcome with awe and
> > > self-adulation for their courage. Thus in the case of the Vietnam War,
> > the
> > > ideological institutions permitted a debate between the ‘hawks’ and
> > “doves”;
> > > in fact, the debate was not only permitted, but even encouraged by
> 1968,
> > > when substantial sectors of American business had turned against the
> war
> > as
> > > too costly and harmful to their interest.”
> > >
> > > xxxxxx
> > > "Mark Heller, deputy director of Jaffee Centre for Strategic Studies at
> > Tel
> > > Aviv University explains that 'state-sponsored terrorism is low
> intensity
> > > warfare, and its victims, including the United States, are therefore
> > > entitled to fight back with every means at their disposal.' It follows,
> > > then, that other victims of "low intensity warfare" and "state
> sponsored
> > > terrorism" are "entitled to fight back with every means at their
> > disposal":
> > > Salvadorans, Nicaraguans, Palestinians, Lebanese, and innumerable other
> > > victims...... through out a good part of the world......... It is true
> > that
> > > these consequences follow only if we accept an elementary moral
> > principle:
> > > that we apply to ourselves the same standards we apply to others.......
> > But
> > > that principle, and what follows from adopting it, is scarcely
> > > comprehensible in the prevailing intellectual culture, and would be
> > hardly
> > > be expressible in journals that demand stern punishment of others for
> > their
> > > crimes. In
> > >  fact, were anyone to draw the logical consequence of these dicta and
> > > express them clearly, they might well be subject to prosecution for
> > inciting
> > > terrorist violence against political leaders of the United States and
> its
> > > allies"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > xxxxxx
> > >  Per Winston Churchill: " ... we are not a young people with an
> innocent
> > > record and a scanty inheritance. We have engrossed to ourselves... an
> > > altogether disproportionate share of wealth and traffic of the world.
> We
> > > have got all we want in territory, and our claim to be left in the
> > > unmolested enjoyment of vast and splendid possessions, mainly acquired
> by
> > > violence, largely maintained by force, often seems less reasonable to
> > others
> > > than to us.........
> > >
> > > ...." the government of the world must be entrusted to satisfied
> nations,
> > > who wished nothing more for themselves than what they had. If the
> > > world-government were in the hands of hungry nations, there would
> always
> > be
> > > danger. But none of us had any reason to seek anything more. The peace
> > would
> > > be kept by peoples who lived their own way and were not ambitious. Our
> > power
> > > placed us above the rest. We were like rich men dwelling at peace
> within
> > > their habitation"
> > >
> > > From me: AMEN. I can only try to understand the limitations of the
> > > ‘intellectual culture’, because I try to follow the humanist maxim that
> > > nothing human is alien to me J
> > > Uttam Kumar Borthakur
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>  ................................................................................................
> > >  Ram Sarangapani assamrs at gmail.com
> > > Sat Jun 5 06:32:33 IST 2010
> > > >**** Sushanta's view is slanted ? I'll be danged ! Coming from an
> > > upstanding and righteous one like you Ram,
> > > >the likes of me must be standing on our heads :-) .
> > >
> > > And, C'da do you also have your own version? Would like to hear that
> too.
> > > Sushanta's history is full of "bloody" Brits, imperialist this
> terrorist
> > > Israel........ all the fault of the Brits, Israel, USA, and everyone
> > else,
> > > except the poor Palestinians, the Arabs.
> > >
> > > He starts off with a huge bias, and views the West basically as
> > > imperialists
> > > and of imposing their will on poorer countries.
> > > Jeez, this "victim" mentality seems to be spreading like wild fire :-)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > assam mailing list
> > > assam at assamnet.org
> > > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sushnta Kar
> > সুশান্ত কর
> > তিনসুকিয়া, আসাম
> >
> > আমার ব্লগগুলি:
> > http://sushantakar40.blogspot.com
> > http://ishankonerkahini.blogspot.com
> > http://ishankonerkotha.blogspot.com
> > আমার সম্পাদিত 'প্রজ্ঞান'
> > http://pragyan06now.blogspot.com
> > http://sites.google.com/site/pragyan06now
> >
> > "স্বাজাত্যের অহমিকার থেকে মুক্তি দানের শিক্ষাই, আজকের দিনের প্রধান
> শিক্ষা"
> > রবীন্দ্রনাথ
> > _______________________________________________
> > assam mailing list
> > assam at assamnet.org
> > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
> >
> _______________________________________________
> assam mailing list
> assam at assamnet.org
> http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
>

-- 
Sushnta Kar
সুশান্ত কর
তিনসুকিয়া, আসাম

আমার ব্লগগুলি:
http://sushantakar40.blogspot.com
http://ishankonerkahini.blogspot.com
http://ishankonerkotha.blogspot.com
আমার সম্পাদিত 'প্রজ্ঞান'
http://pragyan06now.blogspot.com
http://sites.google.com/site/pragyan06now

"স্বাজাত্যের অহমিকার থেকে মুক্তি দানের শিক্ষাই, আজকের দিনের প্রধান শিক্ষা"
রবীন্দ্রনাথ